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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 09:01 AM Dec 2017

Roy Moore's white female voters are part of a long history of internalized misogyny


So why would women — and specifically white women — support a political candidate who allegedly perpetrates such egregious violence against women and girls?

In fact, the phenomenon is nothing new. This acute cognitive dissonance has historical roots relating to how women have been conditioned to treat their own kind. It is what feminists identify as the consequences of patriarchy: the pervasiveness of the belief that men and women are born with two different sets of values and worth. When taken to the extreme, this belief holds that women are less than, and should be considered possessions of men to be used and abused as men please.

This historical pervasiveness spans time and place. But the Alabama election proves it also spans bodies: The belief that women are less than men, and that are property of men, is not only a belief harbored by men but by women as well.

The similarities between white women’s support of Moore and their support of Trump is indicative of a larger historical trend I’ve written about before, in the aftermath of the 2016 U.S. presidential election. White women ally themselves with white men for what they believe is their own gain, security, and assurance, while not realizing the harm caused by the internalized misogyny that fuels their cognitive dissonance and consequential support of men who abuse women.


https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/roy-moore-s-white-female-voters-are-part-long-history-ncna827976?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_ma
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Roy Moore's white female voters are part of a long history of internalized misogyny (Original Post) ehrnst Dec 2017 OP
I think religion has push this ideology for centuries. walkingman Dec 2017 #1
Sure. I think characterizing it as "misogyny" is dishonest Hortensis Dec 2017 #2
Interesting thoughts Lordquinton Dec 2017 #8
No Bibluca Dec 2017 #3
Yes ehrnst Dec 2017 #4
White women have a lot of work to do on themselves. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2017 #5
As do white men. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2017 #6
It helps if you also control what your church/god dictates. fleabiscuit Dec 2017 #7
Conservatism is kind of inherently authoritarian and hierarchical... Wounded Bear Dec 2017 #9
Ugh these women dustyscamp Dec 2017 #10
this is true; a lot of women truly believe that "the man is the boss." it's sad. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2017 #11
You can thank man made religion for that lunatica Dec 2017 #12

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
2. Sure. I think characterizing it as "misogyny" is dishonest
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 10:02 AM
Dec 2017

and casts this in the worst possible light. All religions teach sex roles, but that doesn't mean all men exposed to religiously affected cultures dislike and resent women. Ridiculous.

Men are physically larger and not periodically disabled, if not killed outright, by pregnancy. Men of almost all cultures have always been able to gather more power to their roles, over themselves, women, children, property, society itself. Equality between sexes has been very rare, usually limited to small societies that face higher danger of extinction and need all the resources they can muster.

 

Bibluca

(63 posts)
3. No
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 10:08 AM
Dec 2017

The white women who support Trump and Moore do so because they are racist, and they see a friend in racist politicians. They're willing to overlook everything else.

Do you really think that, had Obama been accused of a single instance of misogyny like Trump/Moore, these white women wouldn't have fallen over each other condemning him?

Are these same white women giving Bill Clinton a pass, because they "want to be treated like property."

Give us a break. Any argument that needs a lot of fluffy jargon, such as the one above, is usually just fluff.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
4. Yes
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 11:42 AM
Dec 2017

The white women who support Trump and Moore do so because they have bought into the patriarchy, and they see a protector in alpha male politicians. They're willing to overlook everything else.

If Obama was an "alpha male" politician, he would not have run on a Democratic ticket, but a Republican one, and would have gotten the support that Herman Cain and Ben Carson got.

These same white women are not giving Bill Clinton a pass, because he is not an "alpha male" leader - he freely admitted that his wife was co-equal.

Give us a break. Any argument that needs a lot of fluffy jargon, such as the one you gave as a rebuttal, is usually just defensive. There are many who think that any discussion of misogyny takes away from a particular narrative that HRC was not held to different standards than her male counterparts.

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
7. It helps if you also control what your church/god dictates.
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 03:22 PM
Dec 2017

A repeat...

~ George Lakoff
The Conservative Moral Hierarchy:
• God above Man
• Man above Nature
• The Disciplined (Strong) above the Undisciplined (Weak)
• The Rich above the Poor
• Employers above Employees
• Adults above Children
• Western culture above other cultures
• America above other countries
• Men above Women
• Whites above Nonwhites
• Christians above non-Christians
• Straights above Gays

https://georgelakoff.com/2017/07/01/two-questions-about-trump-and-republicans-that-stump-progressives/amp/

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
9. Conservatism is kind of inherently authoritarian and hierarchical...
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 05:40 PM
Dec 2017

In its essence, it is rather anti-democracy in general.

It moderated that for a while, maybe, but since Nixon/Reagan it has steadily drifted towards RW extremist views on power and structure.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
12. You can thank man made religion for that
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 06:42 PM
Dec 2017

And I should add that all religions are 'man' made. Just to make it crystal clear.

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