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maxrandb

(15,334 posts)
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 10:45 AM Dec 2017

The Nazi-Puncher's Dilemma

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nazi-puncher-apos-dilemma-195738892.html

"WASHINGTON ― There is a growing desire in this country to punch Nazis in the face. At least, this is what I hear from people who punch Nazis in the face. Some gleefully send me videos of other people punching Nazis in the face, such as the one from September featuring a Nazi in Seattle who threw a banana at a man and, in return, ate a very professional right cross. The Nazi fell to the ground and lay there unconscious. When he came to, he removed his Nazi armband and shuffled off.

Their notoriety may be new, but antifa have a long, complicated history of militant community activism. This history has involved a lot of Nazi-punching, but it’s also about much more than that. In the course of my reporting on the alt-right over the past year, I’ve talked to several older anti-fascists who have been doing the “work” for decades. They told me about pitched battles in the street with Nazis from another era, about raiding Klan rallies under cover of darkness, about cops in cahoots with white supremacists, and about Nazis torching the homes of activists and killing antifa in the desert. I heard about duffel bags filled with barbells and knives and a legendary anti-fascist who was attacked by a brass-knuckle-wielding Nazi and responded by breaking the fascist’s teeth with a Maglite flashlight. These exploits sounded fantastical, but when I looked into them, they were true.

To ARA members, there was no point expecting help from the cops, many of whom antifa knew were themselves racist. And they dismissed liberals as the same kind of pearl-clutching appeasers who’d allowed Hitler and Mussolini to seize power in the 1930s. Antifa would go it alone. By 1998, ARA reportedly had more than 100 chapters and 2,000 members across North America, as well as several newspapers and a hotline to receive tips about white supremacists. Its policy on fascists was simple: Don’t allow white supremacists any platform to normalize a violent ideology. As Gerry Bello, a longtime member of Columbus ARA in Ohio, put it: “Hitler himself said the only way you could have beaten us if you’d smashed us off the street from the very first day and with the utmost brutality.”

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I bolded the last part of one of the paragraphs I posted from the article.

To me, there is NO dilemma. See a Nazi - Punch a Nazi

In fact, I find it troubling that the United States is even asking the question; "what to do about Nazis"?
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The Nazi-Puncher's Dilemma (Original Post) maxrandb Dec 2017 OP
The dilemma: Left fist or right fist? ck4829 Dec 2017 #1
Both. nt Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2017 #4
The anti-fascists have been fighting this war for many decades Kentonio Dec 2017 #2
This is a pretty amazing story. I appreciate what they've been doing Merlot Dec 2017 #5
Zero tolerance for swastikas riverwalker Dec 2017 #3
Good For You! maxrandb Dec 2017 #6
Yes! And no. RandomAccess Dec 2017 #7
"See a Nazi, Punch a Nazi" was correct before I ever heard of "antifa." Iggo Dec 2017 #8
On it's face, no pun intended, it sounds good Alea Dec 2017 #9
This, initiating violence is rarely a good move Amishman Dec 2017 #10
The anti-fascists will become the new fascists Ron Obvious Dec 2017 #11
Here's how it actually played out in Weimar: the Nazis provoked street fights, struggle4progress Dec 2017 #12
 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
2. The anti-fascists have been fighting this war for many decades
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 10:49 AM
Dec 2017

While most of us sat back safe in the delusion that fascism was only in the history books. They risked their health, freedom and sometimes even lives to say that no nazi would ever be allowed to openly operate in a free society.

I salute every one of them for their hard work and sacrifice.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
5. This is a pretty amazing story. I appreciate what they've been doing
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 11:13 AM
Dec 2017

And they've been doing it quietly, no fanfair.

Amazing.

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
3. Zero tolerance for swastikas
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 11:05 AM
Dec 2017

A whack with my purse, like Ruth Buzzi. Play my “old lady card”.
Had a neighbor once who had a teenage son who painted a swastika on his mailbox. I had to drive past it everyday. One night I got a can of spray paint and snuck out and painted over it. It never appeared again. I know, it was vandalism, but it was 35 years ago, so......

maxrandb

(15,334 posts)
6. Good For You!
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 11:45 AM
Dec 2017

By not accepting the abnormal as "normal", we prevent the abnormal from being "normalized"

I'm looking at you, fucking media!!!!

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
7. Yes! And no.
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 12:30 PM
Dec 2017

Man, I agree so much with this I'd like to turn it into a tatoo AND an amendment to the Constitution:

Don’t allow white supremacists any platform to normalize a violent ideology.
I'd add "Nazis" or "Neo-Nazis" to that as well.

However, my problem -- or reluctance -- is with the violence part, and for this reason: it allows law enforcement and the right in general to label the LEFT as violent and crack down on us. They do it anyway, but until recently had to plant agents provocateurs to do the dirty work and just enough violence or vandalism to allow the cops to crack down.

We cannot allow the right and THIS fascist government to have any more tools at its disposal to dismantle desperately needed opposition and resistance.

Iggo

(47,558 posts)
8. "See a Nazi, Punch a Nazi" was correct before I ever heard of "antifa."
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 01:41 PM
Dec 2017

I was born into a world where Nazis die and no one cries.

Alea

(706 posts)
9. On it's face, no pun intended, it sounds good
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 02:47 PM
Dec 2017

but punching a nazi will result in a assault conviction, and since they are more violent, will probably result in being punched back. I leave them alone. There's better ways to fight them. I don't need an assault conviction and I don't want to get curb stomped. Go for though if it floats your boat but violence by our side makes us, them.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
10. This, initiating violence is rarely a good move
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 03:59 PM
Dec 2017

Particularly with the increase in people carrying guns. Throw the first punch and you could end up dead.

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
12. Here's how it actually played out in Weimar: the Nazis provoked street fights,
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 04:30 PM
Dec 2017

then shrieked about the problem of violence in the streets and promised to bring law and order to the country

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