the Repugs do. Also need different Dems brave enough to do this.

It could drive up the GOP vote numbers...if the the GOP runs on vote or Trump get's impeached.

will oblige with that sentiment.

Not a strong character trait there it seems.

They should be listened too - but vetted

Moore's story was strongly vetted

Franken's - not so much

Now, there are some who will say that Sen. Gillibrand's comments about the President won't amount to a hill of beans, and that's quite possibly true. However, it's getting this subject out in the public arena, getting it discussed even if it is summarily dismissed, that leads to it being taken seriously. So, while I don't expect any immediate results to follow on from Gillibrand's comments, it's good to get the subject out there for a serious discussion. If Trump shouldn't be responsible for his rushin' hands and roamin' fingers, let Trump or his supporters explain just why that is. But let's have the discussion.

In addition, I hope that Sen. Gillibrand calls for the resignation of Sen. Rand "Aqua Buddha" Paul of Kentucky. THAT would lead to a far more fruitful discussion and possibly a far more salutary outcome, in my opinion.

and listened to me for several minutes, TOLD her I called !!

I must be in that "anti-Gillibrand brigade' -although I am just as pissed off at all the others who fell in line...
she was first and is one of my Senators..

I am NOT good political stradergeriest.. I would be terrible as one..
So I am kind between 2 possibilities....in spite of this being, in my view, nothing but a CYA moment,

1- it is good that she did it
2- It is bad that she did it because after the franken fiasco it makes us look transparent, obvious and stupid.

…as pro-Franken, who has been one of our most effective, strongest Senators. Sheer madness to knee-cap him a week after the tax reform vote and when the GOP is gearing up to dismiss Mueller.

The ethics investigation Franken wanted would have been a "high road" too. Higher, really. Because so far the accusations against him seem to be making a farce of the serious claims of harassment that women are coming forward with.

maybe blood letting will satisfy some of them

Just like the one she proposes for Trump?

Just like the one Franken himself advocated for?

This whole affair could have been a lot simpler.

but we don't know what was said in private by the party leadership, or the reaction of his family to the way the party turned on him rather than follow through with the investigation. Ignore the order of events if you want to, and if you enjoy party disunity in the face of a grave threat to the country, you have to like what these senators did.

perhaps the senator could assist in moving forward or expanding the discussion of one of the articles of impeachment that have been introduced in the House of Representatives. It's certainly possible for her to continue to speak out about the sexual allegations surrounding Trump and to openly and rigorously support the obstruction of justice charges as well.

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I wish her luck with that.

herself for being consistent with Franken, you think?

Her and a few other top Dems colluded in a back room and decided that they would throw Franken under the bus as a sacrificial lamb in order to be able to play the purity card in demanding Trump pay the same way.

Now there may also have been other exterior motives as well. Like envy that Franken, some former comedian actor, a relative newby, getting so much attention. And/or that the establishment, status quo Dems were fearful that his populism would be an unharnessable problem in the future if they didn't take this opportunity to nip him in the bud.

But for one...it won't work. Mostly because Republicans will never fold like Democrats. They don't have to as long as their base can be manipulated so easily. Look how many Republican voters in Alabama think its all fake news and Democrats scheming behind the Moore charges. She should have know that.

And two...the cost of such a strategy, losing one of your most effective Senators, while at the same time ignoring and ostracizing so much of your own base...is not worth it. I pray she finds that out in time and she and others will be humble enough to admit their mistake, and at least say they will hold him to an ethics investigation before making any resignation demands.

Albeit, I see people on DU who defend those who resign due to their sexual misconduct. At least the Senator from NY isn't putting party above women.

Some of us don’t believe in canning our own leaders based on unverified hinkey stories. The allegations against Senator Franken have not been investigated and verified. This is not to exclude the possibility that the allegations didn’t have basis in fact; for all I know, they might have happened. I repeat: MIGHT.

But for Senator Gillibrand to lead the charge for Franken to resign without investigation first in this age of Roger Stone dirty tricks and David Daleiden/James O’Keefe selective editing was incredibly naive at best and cynically irresponsible at worst.

The Franken affair was indeed for a moment for Senator Gillibrand. IMO, she did not acquit herself.

It wouldn't be prudent to jump to conclusions

the allegations made against Al Franken? She totally bypassed the concept of investigation and discernment and went straight to politically stabbing him in the back.

I get it... youth requires thirty seconds to fulfill expectations. If it takes longer than that, well... patience isn't trendy, stoicism is unheard of, self-control a target to mock, and long-suffering is fiction (and little rolly-eyes as the meat of substance, because words are difficult, a premise dreadful, and the conclusion never taught in school anymore).

When you're older, you'll realize that the world rarely cares about your own time-table, and works of its own accord. Good luck until then!!!

Throw it in the pile with her burnt Presidential aspirations.

She was ahead of the curve on Franken and far behind the curve regarding "it".

What Franken did even compares to these allegations?

She's definitely desperate for attention. Nice try, but I'll pass.

Adios, Kirsten.

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This is not how you fight Trump. You cannot shame a shameless person.

like, ashamed about how I've somehow allowed these people to step on rakes and smack themselves in the face, again and again. That's gotta hurt and they should be more careful.

I should have known not to turn my back on kindergarten, held fire drills so they know to leave the building when the alarm goes off and so on. Wait, Chuck, Don't eat the paste!

I should have told them republicans don't care about the high moral ground, they jacked a supreme court seat, and there are russian agents in the WH, and more peppered throughout congress.

I should have told them not to reach across the aisle. I weep now for their bloody stumps. Can I request school crossing walk type patrols for them? I am not sure they know they're not suppose to step out in front of traffic.

the reason it is difficult to depose a president is the opposing party would be doing it every 4 years. If trump colluded with the Russians it is a different story. The way to change is in the voting booth. If the democrats became the majority in Congress we could tie the republicans hands. What she spearheaded against Senator Franken is wrong.

And throwing it back at them- what about the pussy -grabber any and every time Franken brought up and asked yes or no if they believe the cases are the same.

Incredible that major Democrats are now advocating government by accusation.

But not too suprising, since she got it backward with Franken, and has backed herself into a corner.

For a lawyer, she seemingly has a Trump level understanding of due process.

Convict, then investigate if you don't get your way. She has had a year to make this statement, if not for the blowback she is getting, she would have remained silent.

You make Fredo look strategic.

tRump is not a Democrat.

No one takes this gesture seriously, least of all Gillibrand.

It is an insult to Trump's victims to call this theater. This is how we change the world, by demanding those changes.

She's only doing this because of the backlash she has justifiably received for leading the lynch mob against Franken.

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The Jr. Senator speechifies to not to rely on the party to come and save us all, it's up to us, the resistance, to save ourselves. Well, shit, I just....

I already didn't expect the party to come and save me.

Where I dropped the ball was I just didn't anticipate "my" Democratic party to stick a shiv in the back of my senator from Minnesota.

At this point, I wonder if it's up to ME to tell the Democratic party leadership and not-quite-leadership, to not to eat the paste when they are meeting with children at elementary schools to talk about democracy. They do know this, right?

Further, because I care about kids, I gotta ask: they do know that if they see a child eating paste while they are giving their talks, that they should remove the paste from the kid's hands and put it up on a high shelf where the kid can't get at it, right?

The adults in Democratic party know that Fire alarms mean get out of the building, it's on fire, please, have the sense to save yourself, at least. Then, in the unlikely event that they have the presence of mind, as the adult, to at least take as many children out of the burning building with them as possible.

The junior senator, NY's senior senator, Kamala, Diane, et.al. surely they already know this? Like, wait for the traffic light to turn green before you step out, and even then, it might be prudent to look for some driver distracted because they're speeding toward their second job, that they took, because they can't afford health insurance?

Moore either doesn’t get elected because he is a prev/pedophile or he gets elected and he is another constant reminder that Trump is a pervert too. Every other man in power is getting fired or resigns over sexual harassment. I can’t see how Trump dodges this until Impeacment.

To me, there's not a better explanation for what took her so long.

for the media. well a hidden interview is adequate. good move senator

Be happy she did that..

I hate what happened to Al. I think it was nasty even.. But when someone takes the step.. Support them. Not saying all is forgiven. Not in the least.

"if he does not "immediately resign," she said, Congress "should have appropriate investigations of his behavior and hold him accountable."
Franken actually asked for one.....

the women accusing Franken?

Making the baby Jesus cry.

could she be any more transparent?

I hope they do.

Because we roasted one of our own at the right wing barbeque?

Sacraficing Franken for some fake moral high ground that's meaningless to Republicans and most of America makes us look weak. Please, Kirsten!

shame that she was sot hot to lead on Franken, but waited to see others go first on Trump.

But, at least she said something. Finally.

Puzzling that she called out Franken first ... Not.

A true leader. Fully support a Gillibrand/Booker ticket. They would pummel Trump/Pence.

No way! How does such a ticket win back territory in the heartland? It does not. BAD ticket. VERY bad.

Get an outsider like Montana Governor Steve Bullock. He is GREAT! VERY popular Dem governor in a red state because he is a strong job-creating populist. THAT is what we need!

And I agree that Dems need a balanced ticket. If the choice is between Booker and Gillibrand then I think I prefer Booker. Wonder how a Biden/Booker ticket would do?

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but Al doesn't get one by the Senate ethics committee. I don't get understand her logic.

Also, even Nicky Hailey (who voluntarily went to work for Trump) outsmarts the Jr. senator from New York. Victims should be heard.

Here's the part that the junior senator from New York can't figure it out:
Then their stories evaluated for veracity and severity, and then they should be believed if warranted, and then punishment proportional to the offense should be given out.

I think the junior senator from New York should be fitted for clown shoes. Or give her a trick pony and a pink taffeta tutu and she can perform acrobatics on the pony. She'll probably mess that up too, but the fall to ground probably won't break any bones.

I'm mad as hell that me and my fellow Minnesotans had our vote stolen from us by the likes of these easily duped "leaders"

The time to do that was the same day she unloaded on Al Franken. NOT after the equivalent of the entire population of Wyoming has unloaded on her.

Too little, too late, as far as I'm concerned. If she wasn't calling for Trump's resignation BEFORE dumping on Al Franken, she gains no credibility with me for doing it AFTER dumping on Franken. Trump was not exactly an unknown entity for the last year.

In other wishful thinking....

Your Presidential aspirations are up in smoke, Senator.