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babylonsister

(171,070 posts)
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 04:29 PM Dec 2017

Report Suggests Trump Told Flynn to Lie to the FBI


December 11, 2017 10:48 am
Report Suggests Trump Told Flynn to Lie to the FBI
By
Jonathan Chait


It has never been clear what crimes, if any, Donald Trump might have personally committed in the course of the Russia scandal. But in the 24th paragraph of a new NBC News report on the investigation is a sentence that indicates Robert Mueller’s cleanest shot — so far — at proving illegality by the president. Mueller, NBC reports, “appears to be interested in whether Trump directed [Michael Flynn] to lie to senior officials, including Pence, or the FBI, and if so why, the sources said.”

This could be very important. Here’s what it means.

In December 2016, Flynn sat at the center of hidden diplomacy between the Trump transition team and Russia. The departing Obama administration was putting into place sanctions to punish Russia for its criminal theft of emails. The Trump team was quietly telling Russia not to retaliate because it would reverse or undermine those sanctions. Flynn conveyed this message to Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak in December. The next month he denied doing so to FBI agents.

Two days after that, Sally Yates, the acting attorney general, met with White House counsel Don McGahn and told him about Flynn’s lie, which she had learned of through FBI surveillance of Russia. The danger of the lie was extreme. Since the Russians were privy to the conversation Flynn had denied ever having, they knew he was lying, and thus had powerful blackmail leverage over him.

And yet, despite having been informed that the incoming national security adviser was an extreme security risk, the White House responded with strange lethargy. Flynn remained on the job for 18 more days, and was finally fired, supposedly for lying to Vice-President Mike Pence. Trump nonetheless praised Flynn effusively, and reportedly later conveyed the message he should “stay strong.”

There are many questions around this episode, but the most pertinent ones concern why Flynn would behave so recklessly. He took a big risk by speaking with the Russians, violating the Logan Act, which prohibits private citizens from “influenc[ing] the measures or conduct of any foreign government” or “defeat[ing] the measures of the United States.” Flynn’s career in intelligence work would have made him perfectly aware of the high likelihood that his conversation was being surveilled. He took a second additional risk by allegedly lying about this to the FBI.

News reports have focused on the possibility that Trump ordered Flynn’s outreach to Russia. It makes sense (to whatever extent anything in Trumpworld makes sense) that Flynn would get the president-elect’s approval before communicating such an important message. On the other hand, there is also some debate about the severity of Trump’s exposure to a violation of the Logan Act, which is extremely old and has not been tested in court.

But NBC is raising a different, and more serious, possibility: that Trump also instructed Flynn to lie to the FBI about his conversation. That scenario would explain a lot. It would explain why Flynn took not one but two gigantic legal risks. It would explain why the White House took so long so fire him, why Trump asked James Comey to let Flynn off the hook and then fired him when he failed to promise to do so, and why Trump continued to signal his affection for Flynn even afterward.

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http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/12/report-suggests-trump-told-michael-flynn-to-lie-to-the-fbi.html
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Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
1. If this is true, what did he instruct Hicks to do?
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 04:35 PM
Dec 2017

He's been acting screwy ever since she started her interrogation/interview.

magicarpet

(14,155 posts)
3. King Donald of Orange-hamn was to wave his....
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 06:24 PM
Dec 2017

.....royal scepter and make all these illegalities just disappear.

His Commie-Confederate Squire Jefferson Beauregard of Treason-stan while at the head of the DOJ was to stomp down any issues of illegality before they surfaced and saw the light of day - long before any investigatory congressional or court hearings looked into or questioned these matters.

If all else failed King Donald would again raise his royal scepter and issue a King's Pardon to anyone caught in the Mueller dragnet.

All criminals, culprits, and Treasonous Commie Sympathizers were to walk free without suffering any repercussions for the harm and damage Team Tr-dump caused to the USA.

Team Tr-dump so envied the unimaginable illegal riches Russian Oligarchs realized by swindling resources and riches from the Russian people. Team Tr-dump wanted to swindle, pilfer and plunder the American people of their treasures held in the commonwealth of accumulated hard currency and natural resource assets. The Team Tr-dump American Oligarchy would become a financial powerhouse above, beyond and/or remotely superseded by the capabilities of anyone else.

President-King Tr-dump could then declare himself Chancellor of the Universe and eventually the entire Galaxy.

Ruthless gluttons who crave and lust for power are very detrimental to a healthy and functioning society and must be stopped.

erronis

(15,297 posts)
9. So much good stuff in here, MagiCarpet - digestion time...
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 07:30 PM
Dec 2017

I think the scenario you lay out makes sense. I doubt donnie-boy had the synapses to figure it out ahead of time, but being the conniving liar that he is, he thought his T.V. make-up artists/replay technicians would make it all right.

"Being pResidend is hard work." It's ok little donnie, you haven't even started filling those big shoes that the predecessor left.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
4. Funny this is happening when Flynn is singing
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 06:35 PM
Dec 2017

or maybe not. If true, it's the clearest sign yet of Trump's direct culpability.

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