thing and have a constant reminder, let alone idol, of a pedophile and cover up.

I wouldn't want that thing associated with my school for another second.

better late than never I guess

in life and death.

I'm sorry for his family and friends that didn't know or have anything to do with what Joe the Demon knew - they must be having a really hard time. But it will never be as bad as 5 seconds of one of the victim's.

I'd have loved to see him taken down the same way as Saddam's statue.

Manipulated camera angles to make it look like a big crowd as well as other anomalies..

on GEM$NBConcast

Sorry it came to this, but it's totally the fault of JoePa, upper management at Penn St (who behaved like a typical,
callous, clownservative corporation and enabled the worst sort of criminal) and the people who worship sports.

NCAA needs to come out with severe penalty for the football program tomorrow

investigated, and conclusions reached and legally found.

That woman may have a point. It seems at least some of the testimony was coached by the cops. See http://www.prairie2.com/search?q=sandusky . If the most pivotal testimony was coached, is it a sure thing that Sandusky was guilty?

Even if you discount the victims that MIGHT have been affected, there were still enough counts to nail him. In addition, the jury did not think they were coached or they would have found him innocent on those counts.

Don't even start talking about Sandusky not being guilty!

The jury may not have heard the coaching.

People get wrongly convicted all the time. That's why DNA evidence has exonerated so many on death row.

It's not that I think Sandusky is not guilty. It's just that I think if we're an open and honest discussion board we should not be quick to dismiss opinions that differ from our own. Like it's just obvious that that woman is all wrong, right? Or maybe her opinion is worth a listen. You never know.

That is the standard of proof in this country. If you can come up with a better one, let's hear about it.

and therefore any further discussion of his guilt or innocence is not valid?

All I said was:

1) There is no sense in deriding someone just for questioning his guilt; and

2) There is reason to suspect that the most compelling evidence was invalid, because it was coached.

And I'm told, "Don't even start talking about Sandusky not being guilty!" and "That is the standard of proof in this country. If you can come up with a better one, let's hear about it," meaning, what, that I'm not supposed to question Paterno's guilt or innocence unless I come up with a system that is better than our current jury system?

What is DU supposed to be, a discussion board or an echo chamber?

I've gone back to the link. Perhaps I put too much credence into this, because I heard it from Mike Malloy, and he often turns out to be right. But at the link there is no real evidence, just assertions.

Even so, it strikes me as insular behavior to cut off discussion of the possibility that Sandusky might not be guilty just because he's been convicted.

It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out.

It's sure better than going by that one uninformed woman thinks. She clearly doesn't know there's been a THOROUGH investigation. Hundreds of people interviewed, records obtained, timelines done, facts ferreted out. Paterno was found to have known, and turned his head away in the name of football and money, willing to serve up children on a platter to an evil man. You don't get a statue for that.

I said she may have a point. How do you know she's uninformed?

There was also a thorough investigation of the Central Park rapist case some 25 years ago, or whatever it was, with many, many people interviewed, facts ferreted out, etc. There were convictions -- which were overturned years later, once DNA evidence became available.

Why this aversion to even considering a different possibility?

even if he didn't want to know, that he wilingly turned his head and ignored the situation, which enabled Sandusky to go on and continue to assault and rape children and adolescent boys for years.

Are you going to sit here and defend Sandusky, after his own damn adopted son said he was molested? After there was evidence up to the rafters, including the guy at the high school that wouldn't let him come back anymore because he was fondling a kid right in his face?

There was a MOUNTAIN of evidence that this guy is WAY too familiar with young boys, testimony that he touched them inappropriately, and testimony that he raped one of them. He isn't being slandered - he got away with being a molester for far too damn long is the problem.

suicidal.... like these: http://www.preventsuicide.com/

Excellent photo.

One for the history books.

...or the Rocky one.

and make commemorative coins to sell in support of child abuse victims.

the right thing.

how wrong it is to continue the worship of Joe Paterno in light of the facts.

Those who enable and cover up for rapists don't deserve anything other than scorn.

"To all of those people protesting the statue coming down, Just look the other way and pretend it's not happening."
Just like Joe did.

That was a tweet by @beardedstoner to give credit where credit is due. Somebody lifted it and tried to pass it off as his own and he's been giving him crap about it all afternoon. Good Stuff!

I've posted this elsewhere in the Sandusky / Paterno threads, but I got a real taste of the "cult of football" in the junior and senior years of my high school, in California.

I was basically a hippie in those days, so far into music and art and movies and all things creative that I never gave a rat's ass about sports...still don't, as an adult.

And if you didn't worship the football team, and especially the coach, who was a thug and a bully, you drew a sharp line in the sand.

I drew that line, I didn't give a shit.

The worst part of this "JoPa" nonsense is that he knew he was dying, he knew what he did, he had a chance to come clean, but he chose to die as he lived...a fucking coward.

There's no thermostat in Hell, Joe...right now is as cool as it's ever going to get.

but not for YEARS AND YEARS and not involving RAPING children

fuck joe

to him

Praise Satan University Perverted Loins

Better than nothing for the boys abused by a sick sick man. Assisted by Paterno.

I think he still has a Twitter account, but I haven't heard anything about him tweeting lately.

much like the man

Melt down the creepy molester enabler statue.

Seven guys to keep the guy from running away.

Wait a minute.

I think that's a bronze statue.