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still_one

(92,219 posts)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 10:59 AM Jul 2012

Since congress and so many people are concerned about their gun rights, even to the point of passing

Laws to allow guns in bars and national parks, I see no reason why they don't want to allow people to carry guns in the capital, such as letting visitors who visit Congress to bring their concealed weapons with them. What is their problem? Why not allow it on an airline. If you ban guns in those places only the criminals will bring guns to those places, isn't that the conventional wisdom? Never mind that a lot of the gun deaths are NOT committed by these so-called "criminals"

There is no doubt that people need these assault weapons for hunting, the only questions, hunting what?

So if Congress believes in ultimate gun freedom, let the citizens bring their weapons when they visit your chambers, I wonder if they have a problem with that?

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Since congress and so many people are concerned about their gun rights, even to the point of passing (Original Post) still_one Jul 2012 OP
Word! By these cretins' logic, guns should be allowed Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 #1
The Capitol, Airlines, permatex Jul 2012 #2
But as I've always heard caseymoz Jul 2012 #6
The police are rarely there to prevent a crime permatex Jul 2012 #11
You are missing the point Travis_0004 Jul 2012 #26
I did? My satire went over your head. caseymoz Jul 2012 #30
It seems you have missed my point. Why are weapons allowed in a lot of places, but not Congress? still_one Jul 2012 #7
It's a definite possibility permatex Jul 2012 #12
need to consider it. Though we are paying for their security with checkpoints /nt still_one Jul 2012 #15
Thank you for the civil conversation permatex Jul 2012 #20
Please don't thank me for that. The whole point I think is to persuade each other why a position still_one Jul 2012 #24
I wouldn't say their life is worth more, but they are definitely more likely to be targetted Incitatus Jul 2012 #28
Don't quite get ... 99Forever Jul 2012 #18
Leave it to you to introduce the insults permatex Jul 2012 #19
All those things restrict people's right to bear arms. kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #27
Hyperbole is not your strong suit permatex Jul 2012 #29
I think you've got a great idea. caseymoz Jul 2012 #3
Of course they may believe that an ordinary citizens life has less worth than theirs? /nt still_one Jul 2012 #8
Of course they do permatex Jul 2012 #13
I guess that explains also why their healthcare and pensions are much better than the average person still_one Jul 2012 #14
Ya know, permatex Jul 2012 #21
I think we have a better chance because of ACA to evolve in single payer than without it, but I still_one Jul 2012 #23
I'm with ya permatex Jul 2012 #25
Sure yeah.. ananda Jul 2012 #4
Gun Bless America. Comrade_McKenzie Jul 2012 #5
Many wouldn't have a problem. hack89 Jul 2012 #9
definitely. no filibusters /nt still_one Jul 2012 #16
You got a point nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #10
Should be renamed to the TSG permatex Jul 2012 #22
Of course not malaise Jul 2012 #17
Agreed Tsiyu Jul 2012 #31
 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
1. Word! By these cretins' logic, guns should be allowed
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 11:13 AM
Jul 2012

in all places, in all circumstances, at all times.

"I see no reason why they don't want to allow people to carry guns in the capital, such as letting visitors who visit Congress to bring their concealed weapons with them. What is their problem?"

 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
2. The Capitol, Airlines,
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 11:16 AM
Jul 2012

all have security checkpoints, bars and national parks do not. To get into the Capitol, you have to go through a security checkpoint with armed security forces, at an airport, you have to pass through a security checkpoint where you get groped, but armed security is not far away, same with court houses. Most govt. buildings now have some form of security so personal firearms are not needed.
Guns in bars has not been a problem, if you conceal carry in a bar, you are not allowed to drink, carrying a gun in national parks hasn't been a problem also.
I just don't see the problem here.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
6. But as I've always heard
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 11:23 AM
Jul 2012

from gunrighters you can't possibly rely on police forces to protect you. In fact, that's not even in their job description. No, it's our right and our responsibility. How can you delegate a right so central, so critical, and you can't possibly think that government work can be as good free citizens armed to the teeth protecting the government?

I say, let's completely deregulate our militia. Isn't that what the Second Amendment says? That's what we've been doing.

 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
11. The police are rarely there to prevent a crime
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 11:34 AM
Jul 2012

they usually arrive to draw the chalk line around a body or take a report, but at airlines, govt buildings, the police or security forces are right there at the door, checking each and every person who enters for weapons, bombs, illegal items, whatever, so, personal firearms are not necessary.
Bars, public streets, stores, parks don't have such security.
NV has open carry laws, hasn't been a problem with honest citizens otherwise the law would have been repealed. I open carry until my CCP arrives next week, I would much rather CC that way I don't make people feel uncomfortable, although, the town I live in is strongly pro gun rights.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
26. You are missing the point
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 07:24 PM
Jul 2012

In a national park, I might be hours away from the police. I may not even have cell phone service to call the police. You are on your own, and you can't rely on the police to protect you. I've been hiking in National parks before where I was 10+ miles away from any roads. My girlfriend knew to call for help if I didn't call her within 12 hours of when I was supposed to arrive back from camping.

In the capital building, there are police in the building, seconds away. Additionally, there is a very good chance that nobody has a gun, since everybody had to pass through a metal detector. I won't say its impossible to smuggle a gun it, but its at least very very difficult.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
30. I did? My satire went over your head.
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 01:09 AM
Jul 2012

I added the What else do I have to do?

I saw your point. You missed mine. That Congress has insulated its members from danger that their gun de-regulation inflicts on everyone else. As you've made clear, nobody can likely walk into Congress and start shooting. But it's what the rest of us face at work, at school, at church, or at play.

A gun would be a very good thing to have in the wilderness. I believe, however, even in the Old West, they had people check their guns when they entered a town. There is a reasonable level of protection people can have which doesn't entail prohibiting guns everywhere at every time or virtually de-regulating them.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
7. It seems you have missed my point. Why are weapons allowed in a lot of places, but not Congress?
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 11:28 AM
Jul 2012

Could it be that they believe the weapons might be used against them, and by that logic, the value of "their" life is worth more than the average citizen

 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
12. It's a definite possibility
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 11:38 AM
Jul 2012

that weapons would be used against them, there are plenty of nuts out there, right and left, who would take a shot at a politician, hence the security checkpoints at all govt building entrances.

I think your missing my point, airlines and govt buildings have on site security, you have to pass through security checkpoints, private business do not unless the business pays for it.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
24. Please don't thank me for that. The whole point I think is to persuade each other why a position
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 07:16 PM
Jul 2012

makes more sense than another.

That is what critical thinking is about, I think


Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
28. I wouldn't say their life is worth more, but they are definitely more likely to be targetted
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 07:33 PM
Jul 2012

than someone at a bar or theater by some nutcase.

I'm doubt I'm on anyone's radar and I'm comfortable going to places where people can carry, but if I was elected to Congress I think there would be quite a few teabaggers that would like to take a shot at me.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
18. Don't quite get ...
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:12 PM
Jul 2012

.. that pesky hyperbole thing, do you?

I'm thinking we need a new term to describe this brand of willful disregard for the lives of others.

I'm thinking GUNBLIND is appropriate.

 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
19. Leave it to you to introduce the insults
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:18 PM
Jul 2012

I was having a civil conversation and you just had to interject your little snarky comments, well, have at it, I'm a grown man, I can take it if it makes you feel better.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
27. All those things restrict people's right to bear arms.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 07:26 PM
Jul 2012

They are so wrong, and we MUST make sure that people can carry any weapon they want, anywhere they want, any time they want. They want NO restrictions. I say let's give it to them.

And if anyone feels threatened by anyone else, fire away. Stand your ground.

Me.......I'm heading to Canada, where they AREN'T gun nuts, and their health care system doesn't suck.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
3. I think you've got a great idea.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 11:16 AM
Jul 2012

Especially after 2008 after a certain protester showed up at Obama's campaign rally with an assault rifle, just to practice his right to free speech. If guns are such an important right, then who is Congress or the SCOTUS to limit it? Besides, if only assassins and lobbyists had guns in those buildings, how would honest citizens ever protect our government officials?

What's good for the citizens is also good for our representatives and protectors of our rights.
 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
13. Of course they do
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 11:44 AM
Jul 2012

just look at how they live in DC, when was the last time a DC pol had to worry about paying their mortgage, when was the last time they had to choose between paying bills or buying food, hell, when was the last time a pol actually walked into a food store to buy food, when was the last time a pol had to worry about filling their gas tanks so they could get to work?
I know, off topic, but it pisses me off to no end that they sit there in DC shouting at each other, blaming each other and they have no fucking clue what the average american is going through.
My rant for the day. Thanks for indulging me.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
14. I guess that explains also why their healthcare and pensions are much better than the average person
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:03 PM
Jul 2012
 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
21. Ya know,
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:22 PM
Jul 2012

I almost wish that the SCOTUS had struck down the Individual Mandate, it would have opened the door for single payer, but I'll take what I can considering the current makeup of the congress.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
23. I think we have a better chance because of ACA to evolve in single payer than without it, but I
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 07:13 PM
Jul 2012

understand your sentiments

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