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NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 11:16 AM Jul 2012

Here is what happened when black citizens tried to assert their Second Amendment rights

http://www.pbs.org/hueypnewton/actions/actions_capitolmarch.html

<snip>Passage of the Mulford Bill would essentially end the Panther Police Patrols, so the BPP sent a group to Sacramento, California on May 2nd, 1967 to protest. The group carried loaded rifles and shotguns, publicly displayed and entered the State Capitol building to read aloud Executive Mandate Number 1, which was in opposition to the Mulford Bill. They tried to enter the Assembly Chamber but were forced out of this public place where they then read Executive Mandate Number 1 out on the lawn.

The legislature responded by passing the bill, thus creating the Mulford Act, which was signed into law by Governor Ronald Reagan. This step by the Black Panther Party was enough to put them into national prominence and was a stimulus for growth of the party within the young Black population.
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Here is what happened when black citizens tried to assert their Second Amendment rights (Original Post) NNN0LHI Jul 2012 OP
Gun control is historically racist and classist ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #1
So is gun toting Doctor_J Jul 2012 #4
I'm black man who carries regularly...seen a lot of that too ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #14
I bet. Had any black man ordered on line or in person any or all of the weaponry that Holmes nanabugg Jul 2012 #18
Not true in my case ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #20
Had the purchasers name been Mohammad Holmes the retailer would have dropped a dime on him NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #22
And what would BATF have done? ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #24
They would have watched him and investigated what other purchases he had made or was making NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #26
When nothing came of it and the victim of the illegal profiling and searches found out ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #27
He wouldn't have found out about it unless they found something incriminating NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #30
Or got caught during the warrantless searches you suggested. ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #31
There are workarounds for that type of thing NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #32
That also leaves tracks ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #33
I agree that most cops are not very well trained in clandestine surveillance NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #34
Good nanny cams are standalone and battery powered. ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #35
No need to scan for the actual frequency being used NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #36
Yes, many of the laws that restrict ownership and use of firearms have racist roots slackmaster Jul 2012 #2
So you're saying that if you want gun control... mattclearing Jul 2012 #3
Mulford Act is not the end of this story NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #5
I truly believe this is an excellent tactic on behalf of the Left... Anansi1171 Jul 2012 #10
+1000000 nt IowaRevolutionary Jul 2012 #11
Awesome Idea Tsiyu Jul 2012 #15
Thanks, good to be welcome, and I'm "sticking"! NT Anansi1171 Jul 2012 #21
Good! And you're welcome! n/t Tsiyu Jul 2012 #23
I'm not sure it's worth it. mattclearing Jul 2012 #37
Now advocates of gun control are racist... Comrade_McKenzie Jul 2012 #6
I think the OP is pointing out the double standard. n/t mattclearing Jul 2012 #7
Historically, some "gun control" WAS racist obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #8
"ni**ertown saturday night special" Tejas Jul 2012 #12
ML King was denied a CC permit. Tejas Jul 2012 #13
Nice Post, Hitler! Tsiyu Jul 2012 #19
I wonder why folks would be so keen to disarm a minority group 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #9
This seems all over the place Tsiyu Jul 2012 #17
One of the early proponents of gun control was RONALD REAGAN. Odin2005 Jul 2012 #16
I believe you, but want to know how you came to this conclusion siligut Jul 2012 #29
A black person with a gun is seen as a thug by many in this country YoungDemCA Jul 2012 #25
Tell me about it ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #28
 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
4. So is gun toting
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 11:39 AM
Jul 2012

If a black man had shown up at a Bush rally waving a gun (like whites did at Obama rallies), he would have been gunned down without a word.

 

nanabugg

(2,198 posts)
18. I bet. Had any black man ordered on line or in person any or all of the weaponry that Holmes
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:39 PM
Jul 2012

did he would have been either locked up for trying to buy the stuff of investigated by the FBI,ATF, and SService and probably held on suspicion of being a terrorist. God forbid that the would have been a Muslim...his entire family would have been rounded up and deported somewhere.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
20. Not true in my case
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:47 PM
Jul 2012

And I have ordered significantly more on line that he did. Mostly ammunition over the years.

You are aware that there is no system in place to track multiple sales like his outside of Google/

NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts)
22. Had the purchasers name been Mohammad Holmes the retailer would have dropped a dime on him
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:45 PM
Jul 2012

I am positive they would have turned the purchase info over to the ATF just as sure as I am sitting here.

Don

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
24. And what would BATF have done?
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 03:13 PM
Jul 2012

There was nothing illegal about the purchases...the newbie agent would have figured out that the rounds were for a newly purchased rifle and closed the file.




NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts)
26. They would have watched him and investigated what other purchases he had made or was making
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 03:26 PM
Jul 2012

Might have done some periodic warrantless searches of his apartment. And then after a few months of that if nothing else turned up they might have closed the file.

Don

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
27. When nothing came of it and the victim of the illegal profiling and searches found out
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 03:35 PM
Jul 2012

about it, the hue and cry would resound, even be here on DU.

Also the lawsuit proceeds would have paid for his PhD.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
31. Or got caught during the warrantless searches you suggested.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 06:25 PM
Jul 2012

$200 gets you a wireless internet camera that records to the cloud. If I was that paranoid, my house would be wired like that.

NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts)
32. There are workarounds for that type of thing
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 06:51 PM
Jul 2012

Power outages, jamming, etc.

Where there is a will there is a way.

Don

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
33. That also leaves tracks
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 07:04 PM
Jul 2012

One of the hardest things to find is the classic nanny cam. Battery powered and no wires.

If one is observant and knows what to look for, you can easily know if your place has been visited. Most cops are not that well trained in clandestine surveillance.

NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts)
34. I agree that most cops are not very well trained in clandestine surveillance
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 07:22 PM
Jul 2012

That would be a job for a specialist.

Although I am sure even I could jam any wireless device if I were so inclined because it is not that difficult to do.

Don

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
35. Good nanny cams are standalone and battery powered.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 07:36 PM
Jul 2012

I assume it would have some sort of local oscillator your could scan for but it is the bain of covert investigators everywhere.

If you start messing with the wireless Ethernet, you have to be very good with high end tech. It can be done (theoretically). I have not seen anything on the open market that could do that untraceably.

The key is the awareness of the subject. The vast majority of us go through life oblivious to that kind of thing, myself included.

NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts)
36. No need to scan for the actual frequency being used
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:25 PM
Jul 2012

Just need to know the frequency parameters of the equipment.

Once the parameters are known you just jam from top to bottom and everything in between.

The Koreans have been complaining about N Korea jamming their GPS signals recently.

Most effective jamming I have ever experienced was done by the Soviet Union. We called it the Russian Woodpecker when I did a lot of Shortwave listening. They were capable of jamming just about everything.

If a device has an antenna and a receiver it can be jammed. Simple as that.

Don

mattclearing

(10,091 posts)
3. So you're saying that if you want gun control...
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 11:18 AM
Jul 2012

...black people should assert their second amendment rights so the birthers can try to choose between their racism and their guns?

NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts)
5. Mulford Act is not the end of this story
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 11:39 AM
Jul 2012

Wasn't long after that Black Panthers were murdered en mass by local police from the West Coast to the East.

Usually shot in their sleep by the best police marksmen(Hit men with a badge), available.

I was only a kid at the time but I remember it happening in Chicago and Peoria Illinois like it was yesterday.

Don

Anansi1171

(793 posts)
10. I truly believe this is an excellent tactic on behalf of the Left...
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:04 PM
Jul 2012

...to use the artifacts of "Libertarianism" to expose to the world that the Right intends it as cheifly applicable to "whites of the landed class". Being black myself, with a flawless military record and with no criminal record of any kind;I would gladly join Black Open Weapon Carry marches, very peacefully and publicly, with a tightly-knit group of like-minders who were vetted and safe. I'm sure it would expose unease with police and the public who have no issue with Tea Party types doing the same. My concern would be infiltration on the part of law enforcement who would predictably instigate, disrupt and create "false-flag" events - the same playbook that COINTELPRO used against the Black Panthers(and I am not advocating black nationalism here in any-way, simply OWC by black Americans).

But this tactic should be part of a larger strategy on our part that couldn't be more obvious in my mind; using the constructs the Right are building to expose their first principles and force them to shift...Progressives should be incorporating-literally forming corporations- so that we can upsize our political influence, hide our finances and motives, expose entrenched good ole boy networks as hardly meritocractic, etc., and simply do things the right does not want corporations to do so they will be forced to shift - and in that shift they will expose the inherent fascism that is their intent. I would love to see OWS groups, Anonymous and others create legitimate corporate personages - then any attack on them by the Right becomes self-defeating.

Never forsake that we own rights, we own liberty...both freedom from depravity and the right to pursue happiness. Freedom stands with us.

De Oppresso Liber!

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
15. Awesome Idea
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:16 PM
Jul 2012

We really do need our own "people" aka corporations. PLay the game as the bullies have set it up for themselves and protect ourselves at the same time.


And Welcome to DU

Please be aware that we usually reserve the gun debate for the Gungeon, because, as you can see, there are as many opinions as posters and some will never, ever compromise. The threads have been allowed in GD due to the tragedy in Aurora, but in a few days you'll see the GD discussions get back to more political/social issues than gun control.

Stick around - we need you!

mattclearing

(10,091 posts)
37. I'm not sure it's worth it.
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 08:28 AM
Jul 2012

That kind of tactic is just asking for trouble, right or wrong. The hypocrisy is real, but exposing it risks throwing gas on the kindling of birthers and paranoid gun owning tea-partiers.

 

Comrade_McKenzie

(2,526 posts)
6. Now advocates of gun control are racist...
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 11:42 AM
Jul 2012

All that's missing from DU's gun control debate is the invocation of Godwin's Law.

obamanut2012

(26,080 posts)
8. Historically, some "gun control" WAS racist
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 11:48 AM
Jul 2012

You need a pistol permit to buy handguns in NC. You apply to the Sheriff and get a check. This was enacted by the state leg in 1919 specifically to stop black men from owning handguns.

 

Tejas

(4,759 posts)
12. "ni**ertown saturday night special"
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:26 PM
Jul 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=160425&mesg_id=160500

Gun control advocate Robert Sherrill claimed: "The Gun Control Act of 1968 was passed not to control guns but to control blacks."
(Wiki - Robert Sherrill, The Saturday Night Special, Charterhouse, 1973)



Google the phrase, unless one just wants to cover their eyes and pretend this will all go away. No matter which side of the gun control issue you are on, the search results are a stunner.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
19. Nice Post, Hitler!
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:45 PM
Jul 2012

Couldn't resist

Edit to add: the Op is not calling guncontrol advocates racist.

The OP is pointing out that the Rightwing gun psychos ONLY believe in RKBA for Caucasian people, not for Black people.

They're perfectly okay with gun control for other races, they just don't want any for themselves.

Make sense?




 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
9. I wonder why folks would be so keen to disarm a minority group
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 11:52 AM
Jul 2012

they intend to oppress.

You know, since guns are useless against a modern state.

Seems like it would be a non-issue.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
17. This seems all over the place
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:35 PM
Jul 2012


A racist who doesn't want a person of their "hated race" owning a firearm is merely trying to protect him or her self. He may use "society" or "the state" as his or her concern, but the bottom line is a racist does not want a "lower race" to have what the racist has.

Whether that's a job, a seat at the lunch counter or a firearm.

And most Caucasian gun psychos DO think they can take over the gubbmint and many are actually planning it as you can see if you lurk at the wacknut/racist sites. The rightwing bigoted lunatic fringe don't think they can lose against the modern state.

So you're discussing two disparate mindsets here.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
16. One of the early proponents of gun control was RONALD REAGAN.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:21 PM
Jul 2012

Why? Because white people were scared of black people defending themselves.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
29. I believe you, but want to know how you came to this conclusion
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 03:41 PM
Jul 2012

Basically whites would be able to obtain guns but blacks wouldn't? How was this arranged?

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
25. A black person with a gun is seen as a thug by many in this country
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 03:16 PM
Jul 2012

A white person with a gun is seen as a "patriot" who is asserting his "Second Amendment rights.'

Yeah, most won't say that out loud, but you can goddamn guarantee that that's the perception a lot of people have.

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