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NET NEUTRALITY WAS JUST GUTTED 3-2 (Original Post) steve2470 Dec 2017 OP
Saw it coming. herding cats Dec 2017 #1
sigh, yes I saw it too steve2470 Dec 2017 #3
It ticks me off how they rammed this down our throats. herding cats Dec 2017 #6
I agree steve2470 Dec 2017 #8
Of course. Filthy Republicans control it. They are the scum of the scum. olegramps Dec 2017 #59
The billionaires and religious zealots are dancing in the streets. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #2
You'll end up connecting to DU via 300-baud modem. Girard442 Dec 2017 #4
It is a good thing Obama didnt make a rule or law about Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #5
i know you are being sarcastic but.......... Takket Dec 2017 #13
Basically that's what it means. Back to the 70's for many, 56k modems will have seemed RKP5637 Dec 2017 #9
Memories of my Radio Shack Color Computer CentralMass Dec 2017 #61
Koch bros havin an orgasm right now workinclasszero Dec 2017 #14
No, those trumpers do not see. They do not care about this. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #15
They have no problem paying $200+ for cable/internet maryellen99 Dec 2017 #21
I have DTV and my wife watches TWO channels LOL Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #22
Only local we get is Fox 2 Detroit nt maryellen99 Dec 2017 #28
It's damn clear TPTB does not give a fuck about the country or the people!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2017 #7
And then he said "I'll drain the swamp!!!" workinclasszero Dec 2017 #10
Hey, look how much money is in it for us as we rape the country and fuck over the citizens. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2017 #12
Yup! workinclasszero Dec 2017 #17
Yep, exactly! Damn, I wish so many Americans were not so damn stupid, naive and gullible. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2017 #19
LBJ quote njhoneybadger Dec 2017 #39
Sadly so true! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2017 #42
+1000 smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #46
This really pisses me off so damn much. I hope the people that voted in TPTB asses will love what RKP5637 Dec 2017 #11
Grrr... demmiblue Dec 2017 #16
Its lawsuit time. roamer65 Dec 2017 #18
yep, I'm sure those lawsuits are being worked on and/or filed right now steve2470 Dec 2017 #20
Can Congress overturn it? hauckeye Dec 2017 #23
Congress can pass laws that effectively overturn it steve2470 Dec 2017 #24
spoke too soon steve2470 Dec 2017 #25
If only Obama had not made fun of the child at the dinner. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #26
Net neutrality lived through Progressive dog Dec 2017 #27
Another ready made campaign issue for 2018 and 2020. BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #29
I'm mostly mad because so very many people fighting over net neutrality Blue_Tires Dec 2017 #30
they do indeed nt steve2470 Dec 2017 #31
Faux "News" will figure out some MontanaMama Dec 2017 #32
oh yes nt steve2470 Dec 2017 #33
Guys, they've stopped listening to protests ballots and industry JackInGreen Dec 2017 #34
I pay $40-something per month for unlimited high speed internet with AT&T in California... iluvtennis Dec 2017 #35
yes, they won't do it right away... steve2470 Dec 2017 #36
YYYYYY EEEEE PPPPP Cosmocat Dec 2017 #37
Won't happen because subscriptions would all but dry up. Hoyt Dec 2017 #58
But internet is now a necessity like water, gas, electricity. Majority of my kids books and lessons iluvtennis Dec 2017 #62
Game's NOT over, people. DinahMoeHum Dec 2017 #38
This is just rich Dopers_Greed Dec 2017 #40
Trump marches on! UCmeNdc Dec 2017 #41
Damn Theres got to be someway to build an open source network California_Republic Dec 2017 #43
Don't understand all of this but MarcA Dec 2017 #44
Canada?... Mexico? world wide wally Dec 2017 #49
you have to have someone local to connect you to the broader internet steve2470 Dec 2017 #54
This could very well be the worst thing tRump has done. Joe941 Dec 2017 #45
Was watching Trump spokesweasel Pai madamesilverspurs Dec 2017 #47
Is America great yet? world wide wally Dec 2017 #48
You'd almost think that sack of shit Agit Pai was a former attorney for Verizon... teamster633 Dec 2017 #50
Who is primarily responsible for this? smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #51
the large ISP's nt steve2470 Dec 2017 #52
What politicians are leading the charge? smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #55
against it ? almost all the Republicans nt steve2470 Dec 2017 #56
Bastards. mac56 Dec 2017 #53
They laugh at our signs. Ilsa Dec 2017 #57
Millions of Americans have signed thousands of petitions, G_j Dec 2017 #60
I'm fucking furious ... this is bullshit ... I would like to know the best 'counter' to the idiots mr_lebowski Dec 2017 #63

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
6. It ticks me off how they rammed this down our throats.
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:19 PM
Dec 2017

My only comfort is I’m not alone and I know people of both party affiliations who didn’t want this to pass. Now off to get them all organized and making phone calls.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
8. I agree
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:20 PM
Dec 2017

My cold comfort is knowing that BOTH Democrats and Republicans were against this. That's a great thing.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
2. The billionaires and religious zealots are dancing in the streets.
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:15 PM
Dec 2017

They can now end access to the internet, entirely.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
5. It is a good thing Obama didnt make a rule or law about
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:17 PM
Dec 2017

air being necessary.

They would take that next, trump would.

Takket

(21,577 posts)
13. i know you are being sarcastic but..........
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:25 PM
Dec 2017
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/09/climate/clean-power-plan.html


WASHINGTON — The Environmental Protection Agency announced on Tuesday that Scott Pruitt, the chief of the agency, had signed a measure to repeal President Barack Obama’s signature policy to curb greenhouse gas emissions from power plants, setting up a bitter fight over the future of America’s efforts to tackle global warming.

Mr. Pruitt, who had signaled the move at an event with coal miners in eastern Kentucky on Monday, said in a news release that his predecessors had departed from regulatory norms in writing the Clean Power Plan, which was finalized in 2015 and would have pushed states to move away from coal in favor of sources of electricity that produce fewer carbon emissions.

Describing the Obama-era regulation as the “so-called Clean Power Plan,” the E.P.A. statement said that repealing the measure “will also facilitate the development of U.S. energy resources and reduce unnecessary regulatory burdens associated with the development of those resources.”

The repeal proposal, which will be filed in the Federal Register on Tuesday, fulfills a promise President Trump made to eradicate his predecessor’s environmental legacy. Eliminating the Clean Power Plan makes it less likely that the United States can fulfill its promise as part of the Paris climate agreement to ratchet down emissions that are warming the planet and contributing to heat waves and sea-level rise. Mr. Trump has vowed to abandon that international accord.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
9. Basically that's what it means. Back to the 70's for many, 56k modems will have seemed
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:21 PM
Dec 2017

blazing fast compared to how people are going to get F'ed over.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
61. Memories of my Radio Shack Color Computer
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 05:28 PM
Dec 2017
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80_Color_Computer

It had a 300 baud modem that fit in a ROM cartridge slot.. i used to dial into the college computer to compile my computer programming assignments.

I think the school had a Data General Eclipse minicomputer. I can remember big Cobol programs taking awhile to compile.
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
14. Koch bros havin an orgasm right now
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:25 PM
Dec 2017


Now citizens, do you see who OWNS America and your silly democracy?

maryellen99

(3,789 posts)
21. They have no problem paying $200+ for cable/internet
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:31 PM
Dec 2017

We cut the cord last December only have internet,Sling,Netflix,and Hulu.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
22. I have DTV and my wife watches TWO channels LOL
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:33 PM
Dec 2017

HGTV and news local channel.

Can you get the 4 networks on Sling? Live?

I could look it up I guess.

maryellen99

(3,789 posts)
28. Only local we get is Fox 2 Detroit nt
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:44 PM
Dec 2017

My husband watches WWE Raw,ESPN,and NFL Network. But we also have the antenna for locals and CBC for the Winter Olympics.

njhoneybadger

(3,910 posts)
39. LBJ quote
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 03:07 PM
Dec 2017

President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
11. This really pisses me off so damn much. I hope the people that voted in TPTB asses will love what
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:23 PM
Dec 2017

they are reaping. US, United Stupidity, land of Idiocracy!

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
20. yep, I'm sure those lawsuits are being worked on and/or filed right now
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:31 PM
Dec 2017

I'm sure the relevant organizations saw this coming and have the suits already ready.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
24. Congress can pass laws that effectively overturn it
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:39 PM
Dec 2017

Not sure of the precise legalities of Congress overruling an administrative agency.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
26. If only Obama had not made fun of the child at the dinner.
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:42 PM
Dec 2017

The child might not have reversed this.

No, I dont blame the adult, I blame the child.

In fact I would like to watch that again


BannonsLiver

(16,396 posts)
29. Another ready made campaign issue for 2018 and 2020.
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:46 PM
Dec 2017

I expect this will be leveraged by our candidates. Could help to boost millennial turnout.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
30. I'm mostly mad because so very many people fighting over net neutrality
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:48 PM
Dec 2017

Last edited Thu Dec 14, 2017, 07:08 PM - Edit history (2)

were the same people who refused to vote for Hillary because of e-mails or whatever...

Elections have consequences.


EDIT: And don't get me started on the reddit/4chan clowns cheerleading this... Talk about lambs enthusiastically going to slaughter... But hey, at least they "piss off libs", amirite?

And this tweet will *NEVER* get old:


MontanaMama

(23,322 posts)
32. Faux "News" will figure out some
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:50 PM
Dec 2017

way to stream their broadcasts seamlessly to the masses when everything else will be at dial up speeds.

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
34. Guys, they've stopped listening to protests ballots and industry
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:51 PM
Dec 2017

Just remember, Pai will be a private citizen in a few years. Someone will do the right thing.

iluvtennis

(19,863 posts)
35. I pay $40-something per month for unlimited high speed internet with AT&T in California...
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:51 PM
Dec 2017

... ur bills will increase as now the ISP can charge you ala carte prices for google access, Netflix access, Amazon, Hulu, ESPN 360, etc, etc, etc. Expect internet bills in the $hundreds like our gas, electricity, water bills.

This is just shameful GREED by the rethugs.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
36. yes, they won't do it right away...
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:53 PM
Dec 2017

They will wait until all the noise dies down, then the proverbial boiling of the frog will begin. Slowly....

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
58. Won't happen because subscriptions would all but dry up.
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 05:12 PM
Dec 2017

$200, $500, or $1000 a month doesn't yield much revenue if only 500 people can afford it vs. tens of millions.

iluvtennis

(19,863 posts)
62. But internet is now a necessity like water, gas, electricity. Majority of my kids books and lessons
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 07:42 PM
Dec 2017

are online. You can still get hard copy text books by special request. But then you have that "peer pressure" stuff where other kids are doing things online and yours are using hard copy books.

Yes, we could go to the public library for internet access, but due to budget cuts, lots of libraries have been closed, and the ones that are open only have limited computers which are nearly always fully occupied.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
40. This is just rich
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 03:14 PM
Dec 2017

My friends that posted endless Stein/Johnson bullshit on social media during the election are livid over this.

I really, really hope they are happy that they helped bring this result.

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
44. Don't understand all of this but
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 04:24 PM
Dec 2017

is there anyway to get a foreign isp from Europe,
Asia, or anywhere?

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
54. you have to have someone local to connect you to the broader internet
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 04:45 PM
Dec 2017

that's the problem, in a nutshell. You could try satellite but it sucks in general and tends to be expensive.

eta: Satellite is also local in the sense that AFAIK they are all based in the USA. If not, someone will correct me.

eta2: You can also seek out a very small ISP in your area who may actually care about your well-being and not be so greedy. I'm not sure how the big "backbone providers" play into all this. I'm sure someone knows.

madamesilverspurs

(15,805 posts)
47. Was watching Trump spokesweasel Pai
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 04:32 PM
Dec 2017

smirking and snarking at reporters.

Decided that changing channels was preferable to kicking the TV. H&G is showing reruns of "Flip or Flop."


.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
51. Who is primarily responsible for this?
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 04:38 PM
Dec 2017

I mean, who is really pushing this. Who are the ringleaders behind it?

G_j

(40,367 posts)
60. Millions of Americans have signed thousands of petitions,
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 05:23 PM
Dec 2017

made countless phone calls, over a period of years, made it crystal clear that the people want net neutrality.
Over and over again...
yet..
meh..

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
63. I'm fucking furious ... this is bullshit ... I would like to know the best 'counter' to the idiots
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 11:08 PM
Dec 2017

though ...

The ones that are going to be out en-masse (Russia Trolls, the Faux-Bots, etc) trying to claim 'it's just reversing rules made by the Dirty Black Muslim in 2015!?! We're just going back to what was, and what was wrong with your internet before that? These ISP's weren't doing any of this stuff before 2015, so why would they now'?

Is it something like 'in 2015 all the old rules were superseded/made void by the new regulatory scheme, and now that scheme is gone, so now there's NO regulations whereas prior to 2015, we in fact already had a lot of rules protecting neutrality?'

That accurate at all, or?

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