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brooklynite

(94,592 posts)
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:20 PM Dec 2017

Before everyone panics over the Net Neutrality vote...

Keep in mind the Net Neutrality was only in place for two years. That means that almost all of the internet services you used since the 1990s (including access to DU) were made available under the same set of rules in force now.

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Before everyone panics over the Net Neutrality vote... (Original Post) brooklynite Dec 2017 OP
Which could change on a dime. I hold hope that Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and others might hlthe2b Dec 2017 #1
Not just that, this thing will be challenged in courts and Congress could overturn it with the CRA. ZM90 Dec 2017 #2
what is CRA? diva77 Dec 2017 #15
Congressional Review Act onenote Dec 2017 #18
Thank you, onenote! diva77 Dec 2017 #19
Congressional Review Act Bleacher Creature Dec 2017 #20
One difference, though. yallerdawg Dec 2017 #3
Exactly!!! Authoritarian control! That, is, the, bottom line! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2017 #7
That was my first thought. It's a different era now. Vinca Dec 2017 #8
That's as may be, but -- madamesilverspurs Dec 2017 #4
yup........ Takket Dec 2017 #9
Not panicking, but very angry. And worried given who's in the White House plus GOP control of highplainsdem Dec 2017 #5
So, they're just rolling back these regulations for funsies? kcr Dec 2017 #6
Yup what Pai said. Nothing will change,nothing to see here,move along............ Bengus81 Dec 2017 #12
Really. Who comes up with this stuff? kcr Dec 2017 #16
Net Neutrality as instituted by the Obama Administration was a prophylactic effort,... Raster Dec 2017 #10
Republicans want to eliminate prophylactics, too. Orrex Dec 2017 #17
We have to worry/complain about things that aren't likely to impact us or anyone we know. Hoyt Dec 2017 #11
There have been rules in place since at least 2005,and STRENGTHENED under Obama........ Bengus81 Dec 2017 #13
The 2005 policy statement was held to be unenforceable in 2010. onenote Dec 2017 #23
That was when we weren't ruled by a dictatorship. ksoze Dec 2017 #14
Pai mentioned that Bill Clinton left the Internet up to providers,not Guberment.......... Bengus81 Dec 2017 #21
Well, we now know what your new wish is. ret5hd Dec 2017 #22

hlthe2b

(102,291 posts)
1. Which could change on a dime. I hold hope that Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and others might
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:22 PM
Dec 2017

file suit. There is already an AG suit against FCC for the comment fraud.

Ultimately, of course, Congress ought to act.

ZM90

(706 posts)
2. Not just that, this thing will be challenged in courts and Congress could overturn it with the CRA.
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:23 PM
Dec 2017

Although I doubt the latter happens, this isn't over and there is still a long way to go in this fight.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
18. Congressional Review Act
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:37 PM
Dec 2017

It's a statutory process that allows Congress, on an expedited basis, to overturn agency actions. The good news is that CRA resolutions can't be filibustered and only need a simple majority to pass. The bad news is that they can be vetoed by the president and thus, as a practical matter, may need 2/3 majorities.

Bleacher Creature

(11,257 posts)
20. Congressional Review Act
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:38 PM
Dec 2017

Both houses of Congress could nullify it, but it would also require a Presidential signature.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
3. One difference, though.
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:24 PM
Dec 2017

An authoritarian regime in place that wants to control what we know and what we can say.

If I didn't know better, it would look like everything is falling into place.

madamesilverspurs

(15,805 posts)
4. That's as may be, but --
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:24 PM
Dec 2017

My concern is that this particular administration will selectively abuse the decision.


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Takket

(21,575 posts)
9. yup........
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:28 PM
Dec 2017

get ready for internet plans with free access to Breitbart, Fox News, etc but monthly charges for other news an information sites. This ruling is about expanding the same right wing brainwashing that brought you Rush to all the radiowaves buy monopolizing radio stations to the internet.

highplainsdem

(49,001 posts)
5. Not panicking, but very angry. And worried given who's in the White House plus GOP control of
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:25 PM
Dec 2017

Congress and the Supreme Court.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
6. So, they're just rolling back these regulations for funsies?
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:26 PM
Dec 2017

They're bored. They've got nothing better to do. I guess that's the same reason why the imaginary net neutrality that never existed before was codified two years ago? Nothing better to do. No reason to worry, folks!

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
12. Yup what Pai said. Nothing will change,nothing to see here,move along............
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:29 PM
Dec 2017

Nothing will change yet they had to vote to repeal.......

kcr

(15,317 posts)
16. Really. Who comes up with this stuff?
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:33 PM
Dec 2017

If it isn't regulated, it doesn't exist. Wow. Now, that seems counter-intuitive to me. I'd worry about taking that angle if I were arguing against regulation. But they don't always think big-picture.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
10. Net Neutrality as instituted by the Obama Administration was a prophylactic effort,...
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:29 PM
Dec 2017

...meaning the goal was to PREVENT ISPs from taking the Internet into their own hands and affecting the free and unencumbered exchange of information for profit. Those safeguards are now in jeopardy.

As with other prophylactic measures, you hope and assume they are working as they should, and only have hard evidence when they are not.

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
13. There have been rules in place since at least 2005,and STRENGTHENED under Obama........
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:32 PM
Dec 2017

The United States Federal Communications Commission established four principles of "open internet" in 2005:

Consumers deserve access to the lawful Internet content of their choice.
Consumers should be allowed to run applications and use services of their choice, subject to the needs of law enforcement.
Consumers should be able to connect their choice of legal devices that do not harm the network.
Consumers deserve to choose their network providers, application and service providers, and content providers of choice.[4]

These tenets of open internet essentially encapsulate the ideas of net neutrality. From 2005 until the establishment of Open Internet in December 2010, these standards existed in name only. In 2009, FCC Commissioner Julius Genachowski revamped these principles by adding the idea that internet service providers may not discriminate against content in any way.[5] After an extensive debate about the viability of net neutrality, the FCC approved Open Internet on December 21, 2010.[6]
Details

onenote

(42,714 posts)
23. The 2005 policy statement was held to be unenforceable in 2010.
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:55 PM
Dec 2017

The FCC sought to enforce the policy statement against Comcast in 2007, but that action was challenged and struck down by the courts. That led to the FCC adopting, after a notice and comment rulemaking, a formal set of net neutrality rules in December 2010. Those rules didn't take effect for nearly a year and, in any event, were struck down by the courts in January 2014. The version of the rules that the FCC just repealed was adopted in February 2015 and took effect, I believe, in June of that year.

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
21. Pai mentioned that Bill Clinton left the Internet up to providers,not Guberment..........
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 02:40 PM
Dec 2017

Uh hey genius....back then there was no broadband,it was all dial-up and hundreds of providers,if not thousands--that's called COMPETITION. Tell ya what Pai...you get 4-5 cable Internet and/or fiber optic Companies in MY city I could go maybe go with NN not being needed. What do I have for choice? Only ONE and that's COX which everyone hates because they're predators even with NN in place.

Watch....in a few months COX announces THEIR movie streaming service,seeing how your Netflix and Firestik for some em...."reason" just don't work anymore.

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