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Archae

(46,335 posts) Thu Dec 14, 2017, 03:05 PM Dec 2017

What can be done with a guy like this?

TWELVE times??!!??

Appleton Police arrest man on suspicion of 12th drunk driving offense

APPLETON, Wis. (WBAY) - Appleton Police have arrested a man on suspicion of his 12th drunk driving offense.
Patrick H. Schober of Green Bay was booked into the Outagamie County Jail on a felony charge of 12th offense OWI, according to police.

www.wbay.com/content/news/Appleton-Police-arrest-man-on-suspicion-of-12th-drunk-driving-offense-464162123.html

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What can be done with a guy like this? (Original Post) Archae Dec 2017 OP

Appleton? True Dough Dec 2017 #1

Well, take his license and toss him in jail for a month to dry out. haele Dec 2017 #2

We can fund science-based rehab programs instead of monetizing addiction. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2017 #3

Is his name really Schober? hurple Dec 2017 #4

I have a low tolerance for this too DFW Dec 2017 #5

Take his license away crazycatlady Dec 2017 #6

Simply taking his licence away does nothing. oneshooter Dec 2017 #7

True Dough

(17,305 posts)

1. Appleton?

Reply to Archae (Original post)

Thu Dec 14, 2017, 03:10 PM

Dec 2017

This was bound to happen!

haele

(12,660 posts)

2. Well, take his license and toss him in jail for a month to dry out.

Reply to Archae (Original post)

Thu Dec 14, 2017, 03:15 PM

Dec 2017

Sorry for being harsh, but my paternal Grandfather was killed and his fourth wife seriously injured by a drunk driver who had decades of DUIs on his record. It was a brutal death I wouldn't wish on someone who considered himself or herself my worst enemy.

Driving drunk is like taking jamming a loaded pistol in your waistband before you head to the nearest dive bar to go and get plastered until closing time every Friday night.
Eventually, something bad is going to happen.

I understand being lonely and going out to be social. I understand why someone might self-medicate.

But I have no sympathy for people who continue to self-medicate in such a way that they willingly and thoughtlessly put others in danger while there are options that would at most cost as much as a "last drink" did.

Haele

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,357 posts)

3. We can fund science-based rehab programs instead of monetizing addiction.

Reply to Archae (Original post)

Thu Dec 14, 2017, 03:17 PM

Dec 2017

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/04/the-irrationality-of-alcoholics-anonymous/386255/

I visited one of three private treatment centers, called the Contral Clinics, that Sinclair co-founded in Finland. (There’s an additional one in Spain.) In the past 18 years, more than 5,000 Finns have gone to the Contral Clinics for help with a drinking problem. Seventy-five percent of them have had success reducing their consumption to a safe level.

The Finns are famously private, so I had to go early in the morning, before any patients arrived, to meet Jukka Keski-Pukkila, the CEO. He poured coffee and showed me around the clinic, in downtown Helsinki. The most common course of treatment involves six months of cognitive behavioral therapy, a goal-oriented form of therapy, with a clinical psychologist. Treatment typically also includes a physical exam, blood work, and a prescription for naltrexone or nalmefene, a newer opioid antagonist approved in more than two dozen countries. When I asked how much all of this cost, Keski-Pukkila looked uneasy. “Well,” he told me, “it’s 2,000 euros.” That’s about $2,500—a fraction of the cost of inpatient rehab in the United States, which routinely runs in the tens of thousands of dollars for a 28-day stay.

When I told Keski-Pukkila this, his eyes grew wide. “What are they doing for that money?” he asked. I listed some of the treatments offered at top-of-the-line rehab centers: equine therapy, art therapy, mindfulness mazes in the desert. “That doesn’t sound scientific,” he said, perplexed. I didn’t mention that some bare-bones facilities charge as much as $40,000 a month and offer no treatment beyond AA sessions led by minimally qualified counselors.

hurple

(1,306 posts)

4. Is his name really Schober?

Reply to Archae (Original post)

Thu Dec 14, 2017, 03:26 PM

Dec 2017

Or was he just trying to tell police he wasn't drunk, when he was drunk?

"Name?"
"I'm schober oshificer..."

Just askin'

DFW

(54,405 posts)

5. I have a low tolerance for this too

Reply to Archae (Original post)

Thu Dec 14, 2017, 03:38 PM

Dec 2017

My American brother-in-law lost his sister to a drunk driver.

As far back as the sixties, there were community-service type TV ads about drunk drivers. They always ended with, "if he's sick, let's help him, but first, let's get him off the road." A drunk driver is a deadly danger to ANYONE on the road, including on foot or on a bicycle.

Repeat offenders are like Sarin gas. I know they exist, but we owe it to ourselves to protect ourselves any way we can against them. If they can't stop themselves, someone else must. If one were to kill my sister (or brother or wife or daughter), I doubt seeing the killer in a rehab program would assuage my anger.

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)

6. Take his license away

Reply to Archae (Original post)

Thu Dec 14, 2017, 04:23 PM

Dec 2017

And teach him how to use Uber.

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)

7. Simply taking his licence away does nothing.

Reply to crazycatlady (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 14, 2017, 06:23 PM

Dec 2017

He is a "professional Drunk" and as such doesn't give a tinkers damn if he has a drivers license or not. He will get the keys to a vehicle and continue to drive drunk, until he kills himself, or someone else.
And those last three words "or someone else" come true on a regular basis. WAY TOO OFTEN.
I don't know what the answer is. To lock them up as a danger to themselves and society?

I would just set aside a few acres of land, fenced and guarded, to throw them into. Allow as much liquor as they want, and let them kill each other.

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