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ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:13 PM Jul 2012

To people who ask the question : "Is it time to leave/give up on America?"

My answer to you is a resounding "YES!" YOU should get out. If you have no love of country that might cause you to actually stand and fight for what you believe and you are willing to abandon it to the very people who would change it into something you abhor...then "YES," get the fuck out!

sP

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To people who ask the question : "Is it time to leave/give up on America?" (Original Post) ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2012 OP
Actually I disagree slightly. Bonobo Jul 2012 #1
+++ OffWithTheirHeads Jul 2012 #3
+1 LiberalLoner Jul 2012 #5
"Maybe they saw opportunity, maybe they felt danger" Hmmm Bicoastal Jul 2012 #6
If only we could change the course. liberal N proud Jul 2012 #2
You must have had a big plate of hate this morning. russspeakeasy Jul 2012 #4
and you must be one of the runners... ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2012 #7
Maybe you could tell us about some of your "standing and fighting" russspeakeasy Jul 2012 #11
Canada, Australia, New Zealand Freddie Jul 2012 #8
actually, why don't you get lost fascisthunter Jul 2012 #9
If I could get my grandkids out I would.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #10

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
1. Actually I disagree slightly.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:18 PM
Jul 2012

If you love the America you grew up in but see clearly as many now do that America is on a helpless downward spiral --and if you have family to take care of and the ability to leave, you should do what most of our ancestors did in first coming to America. And that is leave for greener pastures.

I will assume that your ancestors also came here from somewhere else. Maybe they saw opportunity, maybe they felt danger --it is also likely that they loved many of the things about the country they left.

But it is only BECAUSE they left that you, ProdigalJunkMail, are here and free to bully and denigrate someone who is thinking about making the choice your ancestors made.

Think on that before telling people to "get the fuck out".

Bicoastal

(12,645 posts)
6. "Maybe they saw opportunity, maybe they felt danger" Hmmm
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:58 PM
Jul 2012

Look, my ancestors were Ukranian Jewish peasants living under the Russian Empire circa 1895. They would have been tilling the rocky soil right now, as they probably would have been doing since 5 in the morning. They were DIRT poor, with no education. And they were scared to death of the bloody, let's-go-kill-a-bunch-of-fucking-Jews pogroms that were all but encouraged by their own government. The police not only didn't care; sometimes they actively participated.

I can't presume to know how badly anyone else's ancestors had it. But to compare life in America now to anything that happened back then strikes me personally as pretty ludicrous. The very fact that I'm able to spend a Sunday afternoon in my tiny air-conditioned apartment, at my computer, talking freely about this subject--that in it's own way is a minor miracle.

My gut feeling is that most of us don't really know what oppression is. And no, I'm not saying that oppression is mandatory before one makes the decision to emigrate. But if I did that, I certainly couldn't say I was following in my ancestor's footsteps in any shape or form.

I'd be leaving as a child of privilege and liberty they couldn't possibly fathom.

liberal N proud

(60,336 posts)
2. If only we could change the course.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:21 PM
Jul 2012

The corporations and rich are the change makers and it is going the way they want.

Freddie

(9,267 posts)
8. Canada, Australia, New Zealand
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:11 PM
Jul 2012

Really don't want us! It's extremely difficult to emigrate to any civilized, English-speaking country. So we have to do the best we can to make this a better country.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
10. If I could get my grandkids out I would..
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:14 PM
Jul 2012

I'd pull them out from in front of a runaway train too rather than trying to stop the train with my bare hands..

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