Sorry, but I don't understand.

As the clip says, the death penalty shuts down a program for at least one year. How is a "significant loss of scholarships and loss of multiple bowls," while still presumably able to play a schedule, "unprecedented and severe"?

Could it be NO scholarships and NO bowls forever, basically busting back Penn St. to Division III status? Could it be kicked out of the Big Ten, with no further conference affiliation allowed? Will it basically be making the school an sports outcast, basically killing it off slowly?

Stay tuned, I guess.

it could be worse for the program than shutting down the program one year to keep them playing but only giving them, say 10 scholarship players (instead of 22) a year for the next three or four years. basically they would keep playing the same schedules they have already have laid out with a really week team that would get pummeled each week. It would be hard to recover from.

They won't kick out of big 10. That would be up the big 10 not ncaa. Just imho.

Yes to your idea of "killing it off slowly" - if they took away enough scholarships it would basically be letting it "whither on the vine."

But who knows, it is just speculation.

So that will further hurt Penn St.'s Division I viability.

I'll be interested to see how the Big Ten handles this -- it will have to do something. Can it really afford to have an albatross like Penn St. around its neck?

if there was a multi-year bowl ban, that would allow current players to transfer to other schools without losing a year of eligibility. They'd be left with basically a jv squad of players that can't make the roster somewhere else.

The timing though - for the ncaa to move that fast isn't typical of ncaa. It does not seem like there would have been the time for a typical NCAA committee to investigate and deliberate. I sort of wonder if Penn. State admin has offered up self-imposed sanctions to the ncaa.

Big 10 reaction will likely depend on ncaa.

if you are just out for one year and then back, you can still recruit reasonably well. The program doesn't take much of a hit. Several programs have had death penalty hits and come back fairly quickly from it.

if you are going to miss multiple years of bowl games, and lose multiple scholarships for a multiple years, your program is likely to be highly unsuccessful for as long as a decade after the imposition of sanctions. No recruits will want to play for you, and you wont be able to sell them on the future of your program, and meanwhile, the esteem of your program from an athletic pov is dropping like a stone, you are in a sense, forgotten.

And thus PSU just becomes another school instead of a football power, with no guarantee of ever returning.

It's becoming pretty clear now that possibly Penn State is done as a football school.

and SMU never recovered.

edited to say "in football."

UK baskteball had one back in the 50s and recovered.

Any other has been minor schools and minor sports.

but they were just sloppier and more blatant about it. What happened at PSU was moral monstrosity of the highest order, not merely cheating the rules to win football games.

This will be the death of 1,000 cuts to the recruiting program, me thinks.

this is probably pretty accurate though

There need to be some "severe" measures from the NCAA. There also need to be "severe" measures from the Big Ten. I'd hope we'll see "severe" measures from anybody else that has any control over that institution and its sports programs--like its sponsors.

Just what, EXACTLY, is "severe" enough punishment for an institution that chose to protect an assistant football coach while he repeatedly raped and sodomized children? If that had been your child--or if it had been you--what would YOU feel is a "severe" enough punishment for an institution where the football team took priority?


Laura