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chillfactor

(7,576 posts)
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 07:44 AM Dec 2017

Collins is in deep shit with her constituents ...

if she votes for the republican tax bill..she was a hero when she voted no on ObamaCare....but she will sink into the abyss if she votes yes on the tax bill....she will have sold out her soul to the devil if she votes yes...what in the hell is she thinking..she will be lucky if she is not tarred and feathered when she returns home for Christmas break

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Collins is in deep shit with her constituents ... (Original Post) chillfactor Dec 2017 OP
Good, I'm sick of her janterry Dec 2017 #1
Exactly my sentiments elias7 Dec 2017 #4
Fucking A! Exactly. They all lined up, devil sheep. We needed Al Alice11111 Dec 2017 #56
translation mnmoderatedem Dec 2017 #20
That nailed it SCantiGOP Dec 2017 #23
it's the sole reason this horrid tax bill is going to pass mnmoderatedem Dec 2017 #26
"She's listening to her donors not her constituents. LenaBaby61 Dec 2017 #51
We might be reading her wrong. Perhaps she was holding out for this iteration of the tax bill after all. TheBlackAdder Dec 2017 #55
Troy Jackson vs. Collins for 2020. My body is ready for it. PatsFan87 Dec 2017 #2
I haven't even started looking at her possible opponents yet GreenPartyVoter Dec 2017 #3
I was thinking Soxfan58 Dec 2017 #6
I thought the same but perhaps he figured people would line up behind Janet Mills. PatsFan87 Dec 2017 #24
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2017 #5
You forgot your sarcasm thingy. rgbecker Dec 2017 #7
Can a Democrat take that seat? kentuck Dec 2017 #8
The Democrats can only win bottomofthehill Dec 2017 #42
:) If THAT were true, there'd be no Democrats in office, Hortensis Dec 2017 #63
True bottomofthehill Dec 2017 #65
I don't know much about Maine except that the rural Hortensis Dec 2017 #66
After this vote - yes jpak Dec 2017 #48
Always. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #57
As she should be. sarge43 Dec 2017 #9
She might not even make it to the general Soxfan58 Dec 2017 #10
As painful as it may carterbob251 Dec 2017 #11
Why? What good would come from passing these bills? AllyCat Dec 2017 #17
I understand what you are saying edhopper Dec 2017 #19
But the political carterbob251 Dec 2017 #33
Bush and the GOP edhopper Dec 2017 #35
Not really carterbob251 Dec 2017 #37
It was Bush's lax, really nonexistent regulation edhopper Dec 2017 #45
The deficit and the deregulation can be placed DIRECTLY on Bush with his "No Down Payment" Act !!! uponit7771 Dec 2017 #46
Ding Ding Ding...we keep "counting" on this magical political Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #52
Agree 100pc Alice11111 Dec 2017 #60
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2017 #61
As long as the donations keep pouring in from the big boys, yes.... Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #64
Too msny of the things in the bills can't be changed for ages, except Alice11111 Dec 2017 #58
Why is she doing it? Susan Calvin Dec 2017 #12
Because she favors the rich. She's a Republican for a reason. dawg Dec 2017 #13
The R party is so far gone, none of them can vote against it Cosmocat Dec 2017 #15
Donors threaten to end their careers badly. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #67
I would disagree with your title gibraltar72 Dec 2017 #14
Not after this jpak Dec 2017 #49
Republicans only care about their wealthy constituents. milestogo Dec 2017 #16
She lives in a State that elected LePage - mini-psycho Trump - as Governor. NNadir Dec 2017 #18
He had the advantage of a three man race edhopper Dec 2017 #21
He's a two termer. NNadir Dec 2017 #25
He did not get a majority in either election edhopper Dec 2017 #28
Not being Alabama is a dubious distinction, though. And Susan Collins is their Senator. NNadir Dec 2017 #32
Can't disagree edhopper Dec 2017 #36
Well, I have to admit that my state has it's own set of idiots. NNadir Dec 2017 #54
Angus King is their Senator, too DFW Dec 2017 #41
also, horrible as LePage is janterry Dec 2017 #34
This from a poster from NJ jpak Dec 2017 #50
The evidence will show... Alice11111 Dec 2017 #59
Ye reap what ye sow. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2017 #22
Sen. Collins locks office doors, refuses to answer to constituents on secret GOP tax scam eppur_se_muova Dec 2017 #27
one word: mnmoderatedem Dec 2017 #29
and she deserves the disdain from her constituents! MojoWrkn Dec 2017 #30
The problem becomes if she gets avebury Dec 2017 #31
No expert but I would say there is very little risk standingtall Dec 2017 #39
I hope you are right. nt avebury Dec 2017 #44
Even if she votes against this and it still passes standingtall Dec 2017 #38
I think she'll be gone next time around Corgigal Dec 2017 #40
Bed. Made. Lie. n/t GoCubsGo Dec 2017 #43
Yes she is - and I'm one of them. jpak Dec 2017 #47
Good. I almost loathe her more than any other repig. . . . BigDemVoter Dec 2017 #53
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2017 #62
 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
1. Good, I'm sick of her
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 07:47 AM
Dec 2017

I have hoped for more from her for years. Every once in awhile, she peaks out and says something hopeful, that I like. then she crawls right back under that republican rock.

Go get her Portland (especially!)

elias7

(4,006 posts)
4. Exactly my sentiments
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 08:40 AM
Dec 2017

This is an ACA repeal without replacement. I thought she was so against that!,

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
56. Fucking A! Exactly. They all lined up, devil sheep. We needed Al
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:47 AM
Dec 2017

Grilling them and speaking the truth to those who hated him, which did not deter him.

We were sold down creek, and even those who don't have to worry about reelection, kissed up. MONEY talks, walks and has been elevated to do so even more.

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
23. That nailed it
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:12 AM
Dec 2017

Sounds like a good inscription for a tombstone:

GOP
1856 - 2018
THEY LISTENED TO THEIR DONORS
NOT THEIR CONSTITUENTS

mnmoderatedem

(3,728 posts)
26. it's the sole reason this horrid tax bill is going to pass
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:27 AM
Dec 2017

there was more public support for tax increase bills under Clinton and Bush senior than this tax cut bill.

Silver lining: seems the public may be waking up to the tactics of the GOP slime, if those pools are any indication.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
51. "She's listening to her donors not her constituents.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 07:44 PM
Dec 2017

She doesn't need no stinking constituents when she has her "donors."

TheBlackAdder

(28,203 posts)
55. We might be reading her wrong. Perhaps she was holding out for this iteration of the tax bill after all.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:44 PM
Dec 2017

PatsFan87

(368 posts)
2. Troy Jackson vs. Collins for 2020. My body is ready for it.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 07:55 AM
Dec 2017

It's high time the faux moderate nightmare is finally given the boot.

Soxfan58

(3,479 posts)
6. I was thinking
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 08:47 AM
Dec 2017

Troy would throw his hat into the ring for the Blaine house. But he would be great candidate for Sen. Collins seat, He seems to be popular in the second district.
Also great usèr name. We need to find celtsfan and bruinfan, also I hope they protect Brady this week and can beat the steelers

PatsFan87

(368 posts)
24. I thought the same but perhaps he figured people would line up behind Janet Mills.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:14 AM
Dec 2017

I thought he might give the second district seat another go but I'm actually glad he didn't as we have a great candidate in Jared Golden. Jackson has a few things going for him in 2020 if he challenges Collins 1) He's progressive and will likely get Bernie's endorsement 2) It's a presidential year and 3) As a logger from northern Maine, he can speak to the second district and blue collar workers. A King, Jackson, Pingree, Golden Maine delegation would be amazing.

Thank you! Great username to you as well. Any takers out there to complete the New England trifecta??
And Gronk is back this week! Woohoo.

Response to chillfactor (Original post)

kentuck

(111,098 posts)
8. Can a Democrat take that seat?
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:07 AM
Dec 2017

We need to understand that almost any Democrat is better than any Republican, moderate or otherwise.

bottomofthehill

(8,331 posts)
42. The Democrats can only win
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 11:42 AM
Dec 2017

If there is not a bullshit third party candidate splitting the progressive vote

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
63. :) If THAT were true, there'd be no Democrats in office,
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 08:26 AM
Dec 2017

and no Democratic Party. True, they are sometimes successful as spoilers, but mostly they're a lot noisier than they are numerous and end up making little difference.

(Democrats, to put it mildly, are interested in both advancing party goals and stopping the Republicans. Abandoning those goals to take out their own candidates has very limited appeal.)

Anti-Democrat leftists also have a little tendency to self destruct by disagreeing among themselves, very similar to their inability to respect and get along with Democrats. I was checking them out the other day, and the Sanders revolution is so far fragmented into a number of competing groups.

bottomofthehill

(8,331 posts)
65. True
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:58 PM
Dec 2017

Having lived in Portland when I was younger, I was more speaking about Maine. I am hard pressed to remember a time when challenged from the left a dem was able to win. It would often leave us with a “moderate republican” but in this case it gave the state a complete but job

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
66. I don't know much about Maine except that the rural
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 02:40 PM
Dec 2017

interior is supposed to be pretty conservative and they've reelected Collins a couple times now. Also that terrible governor. Haven't heard about him in a while.

I can well believe that Portland might be different judging from some acquaintances who joined a flood of people moving to Maine in the 60s-70s. They were seeking a back-to-the-earth paradise, an "in" thing to do. I never heard how subsistence farming suited them. Who knows, might actually be growing all their own food on their own five acres, but having grown up poor myself I would be less than surprised if it didn't.

You've made me remember another summer's gone by without visiting. Always mean to.

Soxfan58

(3,479 posts)
10. She might not even make it to the general
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:24 AM
Dec 2017

As much as we hate her for this vote. Deplorables hate her for the Obamacare vote, and not supporting Trump if Lepage or Poliquin challenge her.

edhopper

(33,580 posts)
19. I understand what you are saying
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:05 AM
Dec 2017

but this bill could wreck the US economy causing untold suffering.

Not worth a political advantage.

edhopper

(33,580 posts)
35. Bush and the GOP
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:48 AM
Dec 2017

brought the worse economic collapse sinse the Great Depression in 2008.

By 2010 enough voters forgot that to elect a GOP Congress.

Not the advantage you think it will be.

 

carterbob251

(33 posts)
37. Not really
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:54 AM
Dec 2017

The 2008 recession was long coming. Yes, the policies under Bush had a part as did the policies under Clinton. Everyone wants results now, be it lack of regulations, tax policies, greed, etc. w/o thinking 5 years down the road. I don't believe it as as simple as blaming it in Bush and GOP.

It is probably wishful thinking on my part it would make a difference in the elections. A big problem with the electorate as a whole today is a memory longer than 5 minutes.

Just my .02.

edhopper

(33,580 posts)
45. It was Bush's lax, really nonexistent regulation
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 07:21 PM
Dec 2017

and ignoring the housing bubnle that caused it. Clinton allowing the end of Glass/Stegel did not help.
And as it was happening his team completely punted.

By 2010 voters were backing the same policies that caused it.

2 freaking yearrs.

Voters kept the GOP out of power for a generation after the Great Depression.

They have the memory of goldfish.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
52. Ding Ding Ding...we keep "counting" on this magical political
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 08:51 PM
Dec 2017

advantage and all we do as a country is sink deeper into the military industrial complex ruled by the 1%. Hell, even when we have the numbers, we are TOO FUCKING NICE to do anything with them.
I haven't given up, but damn, the cloud over my head darkens daily.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
60. Agree 100pc
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:03 AM
Dec 2017

We have to sink them first.

We need preemptive stricks. We are too nice to them. We try and try, while they cheat and lie.

They are like executioners and not to be trusted, or underestimated. They would sell their mothers, kill children for lack of medical treatment or food, or commit treason, to win...and without any compunctions either.

Response to Alice11111 (Reply #60)

Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
64. As long as the donations keep pouring in from the big boys, yes....
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 09:54 AM
Dec 2017

"They would sell their mothers, kill children for lack of medical treatment or food, or commit treason, to win...and without any compunctions either."

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
58. Too msny of the things in the bills can't be changed for ages, except
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:54 AM
Dec 2017

to make thinks better for the super rich and not for the non rich.

This bill SUCKS, FUCKS, and even a big win in 2018 and 2020 is not going to change that bill.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
13. Because she favors the rich. She's a Republican for a reason.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:38 AM
Dec 2017

Nobody forces you run as a Republican in Maine.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
15. The R party is so far gone, none of them can vote against it
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:49 AM
Dec 2017

They seriously would have to fear for their life from one of the lunatic base ...

gibraltar72

(7,505 posts)
14. I would disagree with your title
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:40 AM
Dec 2017

Collins is good with her constituents. She's in deep with her voters. They are not the same. Voters are just a minor inconvenience suffered in election years. The real constituents "donors" are always there.

NNadir

(33,523 posts)
18. She lives in a State that elected LePage - mini-psycho Trump - as Governor.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:04 AM
Dec 2017

I don't think her constituents are necessarily all that bright.

edhopper

(33,580 posts)
21. He had the advantage of a three man race
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:06 AM
Dec 2017

not getting a majority and still elected. Sounds familiar.

NNadir

(33,523 posts)
25. He's a two termer.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:25 AM
Dec 2017

The people of Maine, as far as I can tell, are easy to fool, maybe representing the "Some people you can fool all of the time," crowd.

Of course, speaking of fools, I only know one person from Maine myself; he's made it to my "ignore" list.

I'm sure there are good people in Maine who I don't know, just as their are good people in say, Alabama, as we recently found out.

Still the fact is Maine has a nutty governor, as nutty as Roy Moore, and a useless Senator who does things like vote for Mitch McConnel to lead the Senate.

edhopper

(33,580 posts)
28. He did not get a majority in either election
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:32 AM
Dec 2017

won the first with only 38%.

Maine is a crazy bi-polar State with very liberal places like Portland and very conservative upstate.

But it is not Alabama, they voted for Obama and Hillary.



NNadir

(33,523 posts)
32. Not being Alabama is a dubious distinction, though. And Susan Collins is their Senator.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:44 AM
Dec 2017

She's the worst kind of Republican, one who pretends to be sane and is sometimes claimed to be sane.

She got better than 68% of the vote in Maine in her last election 2014. Her term, therefore ends in 2020. Why should she give a rat's ass about elections? She'll be 68 years old, and will have served 3 terms in the Senate representing Maine, twelve years.

Her last big win means, of course, that 68% of the voters in Maine are willing to vote for a Republican.

Collins obviously doesn't give a shit about her country or humanity. She is, after all, a Republican.

I was only stupid enough once in my life to even consider voting for a Republican - that would have been Jacob Javits - but in the end I just couldn't bring myself to doing it.

NNadir

(33,523 posts)
54. Well, I have to admit that my state has it's own set of idiots.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:39 PM
Dec 2017

Somehow another that racist, corrupt ass Chris Christie once got 60% of the vote here in New Jersey.

We also had Meg Whitman who (permanently) destroyed our State finances with a specious tax cut.

Hopefully New Jersey can be forgiven for that awful man, Christie, although at the moment of re-election he'd spent time cozy with President Obama after Hurricane Sandy, and there was a lot of buyer's remorse leading him to the worst Gubernatorial poll rating in New Jersey history.

Of course there was that awful scene with him burying his nose in Trump's anal sphincter, but at least we can assume it was merely self-serving. He's a pig and and ass, but probably not as nuts as his pal Trump or, frankly, LePage.

Our new governor-elect is a Democrat however, and our Senators, while not necessarily great, are both Democrats. I don't think we've had a Republican Senator here for as long as I've lived here.

New Jersey does very badly choosing Governors, I will say, whether Democratic or Republican. The last decent Governor in this state was Jim Florio. He left office in the early 90's. One hopes Phil Murphy will do a better job than the rest of the heap and at least be roughly comparable to Florio, a very decent and good man.

I actually had a brief chance to chat with Florio and shake his hand after the New Jersey Scientist's march earlier this year, where he spoke to the crowd. He seemed to be wearing a bandage on his hand that looked like something from a recent IV treatment. I hope he's alright. He's old.

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
34. also, horrible as LePage is
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:47 AM
Dec 2017

and he's really horrible - even he tries (at times) to moderate Trump.....which, when you think about it, is really pretty amazing.

eppur_se_muova

(36,263 posts)
27. Sen. Collins locks office doors, refuses to answer to constituents on secret GOP tax scam
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:28 AM
Dec 2017

By Matthew Chapman | December 13, 2017
With a potential vote to raise taxes on the middle class days away, Susan Collins is refusing to even meet with her constituents.

With the GOP tax scam being debated in conference and set for a vote next week before Doug Jones can take office, all eyes are on Sen. Susan Collins of Maine.

Collins, a Republican, voted for the original Senate bill, which includes an individual mandate repeal similar to the one she voted down in July. She did so with the assurance that two other bipartisan bills would be passed to offset any coverage losses, even though neither bill would do any such thing — and Paul Ryan never committed to pass them anyway.

Collins’s constituents are furious and demanding to meet with her on the issue. But not only is she nowhere to be found — her staff actually locked protesters out of her Senate offices in Maine, in the middle of regular business hours.

According to one protester, over 50 people gathered at the office in below-freezing temperatures to make their voices heard, only to be met with a locked door and cold silence from their senator.

After a long wait, a member of Collins’s staff finally turned up — to threaten them with arrest:
***
more: https://shareblue.com/sen-collins-locks-office-doors-refuses-to-answer-to-constituents-on-secret-gop-tax-scam/




Looks like she's a true Repug after all.

MojoWrkn

(139 posts)
30. and she deserves the disdain from her constituents!
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:40 AM
Dec 2017

Earlier in the week, she said "no" to the tax SCAM but now it's a yes? What was the bribe?

avebury

(10,952 posts)
31. The problem becomes if she gets
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:43 AM
Dec 2017

replaced by Paul Lapage who is a total nut case. I grew up in Maine and was so shocked that someone like him was elected Governor -- twice.

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
39. No expert but I would say there is very little risk
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 11:20 AM
Dec 2017

of someone like Lapage getting elected as Senator in 2020 given the political climate in Maine. Where that state hates Lapage and just voted overwhelmingly to expand medicaid. More like if Collins were defeated in a primary by someone like Lapage that would just make it easier for Democrats to pick up the seat.

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
38. Even if she votes against this and it still passes
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 11:15 AM
Dec 2017

she will be in trouble. If she votes against it and every other republican votes for it then her vote is kind of meaningless. She could've helped to kill this thing last time she voted for it. If she would voted against it then just 1 more vote would've stopped it. Also if she would've came out against this thing from the start that would've gone a long way towards discouraging other republicans to vote for it. Just like every other republican she has never meet a tax cut for the rich she didn't like so she was looking for any excuse to vote for this thing from the start. Now that all of her excuses are gone she still hasn't come out against this thing. So she deserves to lose her seat in 2020.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
40. I think she'll be gone next time around
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 11:26 AM
Dec 2017

Cant allow someone like that to believe her own bullshit cause she lives in her own bubble.

People are going to die, let her career be first.

BigDemVoter

(4,150 posts)
53. Good. I almost loathe her more than any other repig. . . .
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 08:54 PM
Dec 2017

She was supposed to be 'the one with a conscience." What a bunch of fucking horse shit.

I would pay money to see that asshole tarred and feathered. I would LOVE it.

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