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BREAKING: Axios: Special Counsel Robert Mueller has obtained many tens of thousands of Trump transition emails, including sensitive emails of Jared Kushner, transition team sources tell Axios.
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Scoop: Mueller obtains "tens of thousands of Trump transition emails
Special Counsel Robert Mueller has obtained many tens of thousands of Trump transition emails, including sensitive emails of Jared Kushner, transition team sources tell Axios.
*Trump officials discovered Mueller had the emails when his prosecutors used them as the basis for questions to witnesses, the sources said.
*The emails include 12 accounts, one of which contains about 7,000 emails, the sources said.
*The accounts include the team's political leadership and the foreign-policy team, the sources said.
Why it matters: The transition emails are said to include sensitive exchanges on matters that include potential appointments, gossip about the views of particular senators involved in the confirmation process, speculation about vulnerabilities of Trump nominees, strategizing about press statements, and policy planning on everything from war to taxes.
*Mueller is using the emails to confirm things, and get new leads, a transition source told me.
How it happened: The sources say Mueller obtained the emails from the General Services Administration, the government agency that hosted the transition email system, which had addresses ending in ptt.gov, for Presidential Transition Team.
Axios has asked the Special Counsels Office for comment and will update this story with the response.
*The transition sources said they were surprised about the emails because they have been in touch with Muellers team and have cooperated.
*They ask us to waive NDAs [nondisclosure agreements] and things like that, a second source said. We have never said no to anything.
The twist: The sources say that transition officials assumed that Mueller would come calling, and had sifted through the emails and separated the ones they considered privileged. But the sources said that was for naught, since Mueller has the complete cache from the dozen accounts.
Link: https://www.axios.com/scoop-mueller-obtains-tens-of-thousands-of-trump-transition-emails-2517994590.html
mcar
(42,334 posts)LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)I guess fatso/GOP firing Mueller will take place in:
5....4....3....2....1
underpants
(182,826 posts)Yaaay first to post it
onetexan
(13,041 posts)underpants
(182,826 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Great minds and all!
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)GOPers know that and that's why they are rushing especially on firing Mueller and shutting down him down and the investigation. But they should also know that firing Mueller and shutting down the investigation will not stop it.
Repeat in history, just like repeat in history concerning the 1929 market crash. These motherf***ers never learn. Power and greed is their religion. Eff everything else.
JawJaw
(722 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)"The twist: The sources say that transition officials assumed that Mueller would come calling, and had sifted through the emails and separated the ones they considered privileged. But the sources said that was for naught, since Mueller has the complete cache from the dozen accounts."
There is NO privilege when using an official government server. ALL information sent through a .gov address is the property of the government. Boy, I hope they tried to hide something really good. They don't even seem to know how to obstruct justice correctly.
Dopers_Greed
(2,640 posts)The Trumps are too stupid to pull off this conspiracy
0rganism
(23,955 posts)i gotta give them props for attempting the single greatest heist in history.
Irish_Dem
(47,119 posts)And not only getting away with it, but continuing to install his puppets in the US government.
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)Cent is dead to me. I never listen to a single word he says...takes money from the GOP, hates Democrats and attacks them...defends Trump and Russia with comments like above.
PatSeg
(47,494 posts)But they've caused a lot of damage in the process, probably more than we realize.
murielm99
(30,745 posts)fucking notebooks, and saying he was not a crook. He wanted to turn over the notebooks, not the tapes.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)I can't imagine why anyone would think such emails were anything but government property subject to subpoena as records kept in the normal course of business.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)What lovely words
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)will go down because they documented their TREASON thru e-mails...
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thbobby
(1,474 posts)I just love news like this. Mueller is capable of exposing the entire GOP MAFIA. And I do not believe the GOP will be able to stop him. Dishonest people use lies and intimidation. Competent professionals use intelligence and integrity. Classic good vs evil battle. The truth will win.
onetexan
(13,041 posts)i too believe in the end truth will reign and Mueller is king.
lucca18
(1,242 posts)I needed to read this, as I was getting depressed at the thought of trump
getting away with all of his lies, dishonesty, corruption,
treason......
He needs to be held accountable "now".
tomp
(9,512 posts)best not to count unhatched chickens.
avebury
(10,952 posts)who would be willing to lie to the FBI which is an awesome trap that could be used to then force someone provide assistance to them in their investigation. If anyone lied, Mueller owned that person at that point.
Dopers_Greed
(2,640 posts)He's finally facing reality, and knows that he's busted.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,432 posts)Christmas break.
Hell always be at least one step of Trumpy.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)A huge long string of guys all saying just one word "e-mails" ....
AllyCat
(16,189 posts)Whatever they accuse their perceived enemies of doing, they already ARE doing.
spanone
(135,843 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,608 posts)Good luck with that Jared. Even if you are pardoned the Baltimore AG will nail your ass! HA! NO WAY OUT!
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)If tRump pardons Jared, then he can't hide behind the Fifth.
BigmanPigman
(51,608 posts)AllyCat
(16,189 posts)Can you explain? Thanks.
LoveMyCali
(2,015 posts)if he's already been pardoned.
scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)is what I heard
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)you can't "self-incriminate" and therefore cannot use the 5th amendment privilege against self-incrimination!
Leith
(7,809 posts)He can't claim that he would be incriminated on a crime he has already been pardoned for. No crime, nothing to protect = spill everything or go to jail for being uncooperative.
Responded to wrong post
tableturner
(1,683 posts)Jared, knowing he would get a pardon for the contempt, would be emboldened to stonewall. He kind of has no other choice. But his stonewalling can only last so long, especially with indictments coming from various states.
It doesn't matter. They all know they are caught. Their only hope is that the truth is not believed, and that their most rabid devotees will cause civil unrest and assorted acts of violence.
Takket
(21,575 posts)underpants
(182,826 posts)If you haven't seen this
2:30
DU thread
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9990464
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Even his natural allies can't bring themselves to indulge this simpering idiot, who thinks he is qualified because he has wealthy DNA.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)But HIS emails!
triron
(22,006 posts)orangecrush
(19,571 posts)but surely.
bucolic_frolic
(43,175 posts)Mueller will beat them all to the punch before mid-week
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)it is a smoking gun.
SunSeeker
(51,564 posts)I highly recommend you read this string of tweets:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029993022
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)evidence being releases without knowing what is in them, even if that don't suspect an issue. That means nothing, just as Trump claiming "there is no colluuuuuusion" means there wasn't.
SunSeeker
(51,564 posts)There wasn't supposed to be any private emails on the GSA email server. Every time the transition team logged on they got this warning:
Link to tweet
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,175 posts)You think there might be evidence of a rigged election in those emails?
I always say, if it's too easy, or too good to be true, it's not likely to happen.
But we can hope!
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)I hope so too...
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)Is it a leak, Info surreptitiously released by Mueller, or construed from available documents?
janx
(24,128 posts)he has probably had these emails for a long time.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)So it is the Trump officials that have been talking to Axios, probably on background for other stories, and Axios was able to corroborate between the statements of several officials.
janx
(24,128 posts)and I am tired. I should have picked up on that. Thanks.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)Lindsay
(3,276 posts)as a source. It was started by guys from Politico, and their funders include the Kochs, Walmart, and Bank of America.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axios_(website)
Edit: Can't get a proper link to the wiki page because of the underscore. You could probably copy and paste to get to it?
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)They are absolutely shitting themselves.
SunSeeker
(51,564 posts)The dipshits are freaking out and wrote a long letter to GSA, copied to congressional committee leaders on Saturday, objecting to GSA having turned over the emails to Mueller.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/the-trump-campaign-claims-a-federal-office-illegally-turned?utm_term=.sc8Yb0OJq#.gm4v3oNKA
japple
(9,831 posts)to Camp David for the weekend? I thought he hated that dump.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Meh.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)askyagerz
(776 posts)Twitter is obviously full of crazy people that can't be trusted
.99center
(1,237 posts)The author of the article is Mike Allen, co-founder of Axios and Politico.
MelissaB
(16,420 posts)Go back and read the thread I posted you are referring to. Slowly.
.99center
(1,237 posts)to questions to witnesses, the sources said.
How many witnesses lied to the FBI before the WH figured it out?
Takket
(21,575 posts)i'm going to go out on a limb and say ALL OF THEM
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)and lied about it, then they are legally vulnerable.
herding cats
(19,565 posts)That Muellers team used information from the emails while questioning people means they found items of interest to them.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)they had provided!
spooky3
(34,457 posts)meddling PRE-election, because I think it happened AND I think most non-political junkies won't care much about post-election communications with the Russians. I think they will view that as simply jumping the gun by a month or two.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)... payback for Russian financing, how to get more Russian bots tweeting tRump's fave issues, what it all implies for policy (easing up on sanction on Putin cronies), who gets the stolen Supreme Court seat, etc.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)In most cases so far, when we've gotten leaks like this, we have found that Mueller already had more than anyone knew.
spooky3
(34,457 posts)I'm just not as excited as some, because until Mueller reveals that his team has this evidence--which as you say, he may well have--I don't think most Americans will care as much as they should.
askyagerz
(776 posts)Hiding emails from investigators thinking they were one up. Too funny
benld74
(9,904 posts)Hes been playing StarTrek Chess
While tRumps side has been playing checkers
Fritz Walter
(4,291 posts)riverwalker
(8,694 posts)This is awesome news !
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Sanity Claws
(21,849 posts)wanted to create.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)janx
(24,128 posts)Thanks for posting it. It answers a lot of questions I had about obtaining that cache of emails in the first place. Mariotti points to a warrant. Mueller would have had to use a warrant.
LiberalFighter
(50,942 posts)Basically a govt agency asking another govt agency generally does not need a warrant. And apparently did not need one when asking for them from the GSA. Technically they are also not private emails when using the .gov account.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)This was his transition team. Wonder why it was just 12, or maybe they have them all but only 12 revealed through the interviews with Mueller?
https://ballotpedia.org/Donald_Trump_presidential_transition_team
mobeau69
(11,145 posts)Editor's Note: This story has been updated with details from the Langhofer letter to congressional committees.
Taking fight public: Charging "unlawful conduct," Kory Langhofer, counsel for the transition team, wrote in a letter to congressional committees Saturday that "career staff at the General Services Administration ... have unlawfully produced [transition team] private materials, including privileged communications, to the Special Counsel's Office."
The seven-page later, obtained by Axios, says: "We understand that the Special Counsel's Office has subsequently made extensive use of the materials it obtained from the GSA, including materials that are susceptible to privilege claims."
The letter says this was a violation of Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable search and seizure.
"Additionally, certain portions of the [transition] materials the Special Counsel's Office obtained from the GSA, including materials that are susceptible to privilege claims, have been leaked to the press by unknown persons."
The Special Counsel's office said: "We will decline to comment."
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)I doubt few if any were personal-lawyer-client discussions and if they were then the parties were utterly stupid to use government email addresses and servers.
mobeau69
(11,145 posts)I think they may be totally fucked and they've ran out of ammo.
LiberalFighter
(50,942 posts)It has to be with a private citizen with their own private property. Government emails are not the property of any private citizen.
triron
(22,006 posts)Takket
(21,575 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)are accessible to Mueller without any concern about privacy or 4th Amendment issues. They all are part of the official record and were automatically preserved and archived. The Trump team May not have known that. Amateurs.
SunSeeker
(51,564 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,942 posts)wishstar
(5,270 posts)Since Rosenstein told Congressional committee that there was no good cause to fire Mueller, Trump gang had to come up with something that they could assert as good cause, so they are ramping up phony outrage over this.
ecstatic
(32,707 posts)emails are your own. As Don Jr would say, "I love it!"
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,662 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)afford a resident a dash of panache?
wishstar
(5,270 posts)by that meanie Mueller. Such unfair treatment when it should be Hillary's emails
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)I just saw where trump is going to fire Mueller before Christmas. Actually he will have to tell Rosenstein to fire Mueller. Google Saturday Night Massacre to see how Nixon did it.
bucolic_frolic
(43,175 posts)MariaCSR
(642 posts)No wonder his transition team wants to stop the investigation.
Motley13
(3,867 posts)Trump: Russia, If Youre Listening, I Hope Youre Able to Find the 30,000 E-Mails that Are Missing