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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf Trump is waiting until 12/22 to fire him, can Mueller go with what he has on 12/ 21?
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)the movie, the Butler comes to mind.
Yonnie3
(17,441 posts)Nothing will go away if 45 attempts to fire Mueller and even if he succeeds. The evidence will still be there, the team will still be there, and any provable crimes will still be there. It is even possible that the act of firing him would be an additional crime.
Irish_Dem
(47,092 posts)Yonnie3
(17,441 posts)He can't fire anyone in the FBI directly except the top dog. He would have to get someone in the FBI to do the firing. I'm thinking that the agents themselves are protected against being fired without cause.
Irish_Dem
(47,092 posts)Trump does not seem to have a sense of what he can and cannot do.
Yonnie3
(17,441 posts)It might take a while, but the courts would agree with Mueller.
45 got Comey fired by proxy, so he knows how to do it. He would likely have to fire Rod Rosenstein (and possibly Sessions) and get someone else to fire Mueller. If he did that there would be all sorts of negative stuff going on for him; He also knows what happened to his approval rating when he had Comey fired and he's all about ratings.
Irish_Dem
(47,092 posts)the files and lock the doors.
Trump is crazy enough to consider this option.
And he doesn't care about the ratings on this one, he needs to save his skin.
Yonnie3
(17,441 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Im pretty sure there have to be backups somewhere. They know this could be coming.
TEB
(12,842 posts)Regardless if trump pulls some move mueller is sharp. Mueller is moving and thinking steps ahead of the treason weasels and Congress. He is probably working hand in hand with AG of New York,Relax will get through this friend will be ok.
Sedona
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Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)And Sessions recused himself, so he doesn't have the authority to. Rosenstein can, but obviously won't.
former9thward
(32,009 posts)Sessions (or Trump) can fire Rosenstein and either can appoint a replacement. The replacement can fire Mueller. That said, all these predictions of Mueller being fired have been going on for months now and none have come true.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)And the Senate is staying in pro forma sessions for the holiday, so no recess appointments.
former9thward
(32,009 posts)He can appoint an acting asst. AG. The idea a president of the U.S. can't fire someone who works for him is ridiculous. I guess you are forgetting the Saturday Night Massacre that Nixon initiated during Watergate.
Irish_Dem
(47,092 posts)take the files and lock the doors.
A dangerous option, but I think Trump is crazy enough to consider it.
This is consistent with his personality disorders and delusional mental status.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Regardless of what random Twitter guy says.
Seth Abramson is not a legitimate source. Neither is Twitter.
Irish_Dem
(47,092 posts)He is not interested in what he can or cannot do.
He is interested in saving his own skin any way he can.
Mueller is not foolish, he is considering all possible events.
He didn't survive a year in the jungles of Viet Nam by putting his head in the sand.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)That's like you trying to fire me from my job. Even if you damn well think you can, you don't have the authority.
If Trump demanded Mueller to not show up, Mueller is under ZERO obligation to obey that command.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)Because that would be awesome.
BigmanPigman
(51,593 posts)He has more evidence backed up in so many different ways that even if he is fired the investigation will continue and the info will not disappear as the GOP hopes it would.
This is why I have been screaming, protesting, emailing and posting for an Independent Commission for 9 months. An Independent Commission would be like the 9/11 Commission. The Dems have introduced bills in both houses calling for this and since the GOP is in charge it hasn't been adopted and passed. It would be fully funded and staffed, relatively quick, non partisan (couldn't be derailed by the GOP), and the findings would be available to the public.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Chump CANNOT fire Mueller. He has to get the Justice Dept. head to do it. Rosenstein has already said he sees no cause to fire Mueller. That means Chumpy would have to fire Rosenstein and frantically search for an FBI toady stupid enough to do his bidding. That's all NOT going to happen by 12/22
Irish_Dem
(47,092 posts)And is mean, petty, vindictive.
Predicting his behavior using normal behavior as the guide is missing the point.
Mueller is not foolish, he is considering all possible events.
He didn't survive a year in the jungles of Viet Nam by putting his head in the sand.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,092 posts)person does not. And he is crazy enough to send in the police to lock doors and take files. And Trump is typically out of control.
Probably difficult for normal mental status people to understand.
The mental health people have been trying to warn everyone.
I am certain Mueller has considered this as an option and has a plan.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Oh, and I'm one of those mental health people who's been warning. I agree that Mueller is fully aware of Dotard's instability, and has probably made contingency plans.
bluestarone
(16,941 posts)could fire sessions or Rosenstein. That wouldn't surprise me. then everyone would have a bad Christmas!! and they would enjoy that