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If Trump is waiting until 12/22 to fire him, can Mueller go with what he has on 12/ 21? (Original Post) Chasstev365 Dec 2017 OP
??? USALiberal Dec 2017 #1
Every time someone says Trump plans to fire Mueller underthematrix Dec 2017 #2
If Mueller could and should go with what has, he would have gone already. Yonnie3 Dec 2017 #3
If he fires Mueller, I assume he fires the whole team? nt Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #5
My understanding is that he can't do that. Yonnie3 Dec 2017 #10
So Trump would fire Mueller and Mueller would say nope, can't do that dude. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #11
Yes, but many more than just Mueller would say nope. Yonnie3 Dec 2017 #14
Seth Abramson said Trump might fire Mueller and have the police take Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #15
I see. n/t Yonnie3 Dec 2017 #16
The thing isnt so much off it is electronic evidence bettyellen Dec 2017 #28
The investigation will continue TEB Dec 2017 #4
Chill Sedona Dec 2017 #6
Trump can't fire Miller. nt Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2017 #7
Not arguing, but can you please explain why that is? Chasstev365 Dec 2017 #8
Because he doesn't have the authority to. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2017 #9
Yes, he has the authority. former9thward Dec 2017 #13
They can't replace Rosenstein without Senate confirmation. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2017 #21
Of course he can. former9thward Dec 2017 #29
Seth Abramson is saying Trump could fire Mueller, have the police Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #17
He doesn't have the authority to. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2017 #19
Trump is now delusional, on top of a dementia and personality disorders. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #20
It doesn't matter what he thinks. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2017 #23
Can we not tell Trump this so he does it? joshcryer Dec 2017 #30
Mueller is NOT a FUCKING MORON! BigmanPigman Dec 2017 #12
OMG, how many times does this need to be repeated: MoonRiver Dec 2017 #18
Trump is now delusional and lives in his own reality. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #22
Being delusional does not mean you can actually change reality! MoonRiver Dec 2017 #24
Not to be argumentative, but he has resources as his disposal the ordinary Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #25
I believe there are forces in place that will stop him from completely flipping out. MoonRiver Dec 2017 #26
not firing Mueller BUT bluestarone Dec 2017 #27

Yonnie3

(17,441 posts)
3. If Mueller could and should go with what has, he would have gone already.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 07:26 PM
Dec 2017

Nothing will go away if 45 attempts to fire Mueller and even if he succeeds. The evidence will still be there, the team will still be there, and any provable crimes will still be there. It is even possible that the act of firing him would be an additional crime.

Yonnie3

(17,441 posts)
10. My understanding is that he can't do that.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 07:48 PM
Dec 2017

He can't fire anyone in the FBI directly except the top dog. He would have to get someone in the FBI to do the firing. I'm thinking that the agents themselves are protected against being fired without cause.

Irish_Dem

(47,092 posts)
11. So Trump would fire Mueller and Mueller would say nope, can't do that dude.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 07:52 PM
Dec 2017

Trump does not seem to have a sense of what he can and cannot do.

Yonnie3

(17,441 posts)
14. Yes, but many more than just Mueller would say nope.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 08:09 PM
Dec 2017

It might take a while, but the courts would agree with Mueller.

45 got Comey fired by proxy, so he knows how to do it. He would likely have to fire Rod Rosenstein (and possibly Sessions) and get someone else to fire Mueller. If he did that there would be all sorts of negative stuff going on for him; He also knows what happened to his approval rating when he had Comey fired and he's all about ratings.

Irish_Dem

(47,092 posts)
15. Seth Abramson said Trump might fire Mueller and have the police take
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 08:13 PM
Dec 2017

the files and lock the doors.

Trump is crazy enough to consider this option.
And he doesn't care about the ratings on this one, he needs to save his skin.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
28. The thing isnt so much off it is electronic evidence
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:17 PM
Dec 2017

I’m pretty sure there have to be backups somewhere. They know this could be coming.

TEB

(12,842 posts)
4. The investigation will continue
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 07:28 PM
Dec 2017

Regardless if trump pulls some move mueller is sharp. Mueller is moving and thinking steps ahead of the treason weasels and Congress. He is probably working hand in hand with AG of New York,Relax will get through this friend will be ok.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
9. Because he doesn't have the authority to.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 07:41 PM
Dec 2017

And Sessions recused himself, so he doesn't have the authority to. Rosenstein can, but obviously won't.

former9thward

(32,009 posts)
13. Yes, he has the authority.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 07:54 PM
Dec 2017

Sessions (or Trump) can fire Rosenstein and either can appoint a replacement. The replacement can fire Mueller. That said, all these predictions of Mueller being fired have been going on for months now and none have come true.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
21. They can't replace Rosenstein without Senate confirmation.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 08:36 PM
Dec 2017

And the Senate is staying in pro forma sessions for the holiday, so no recess appointments.

former9thward

(32,009 posts)
29. Of course he can.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:21 AM
Dec 2017

He can appoint an acting asst. AG. The idea a president of the U.S. can't fire someone who works for him is ridiculous. I guess you are forgetting the Saturday Night Massacre that Nixon initiated during Watergate.

Irish_Dem

(47,092 posts)
17. Seth Abramson is saying Trump could fire Mueller, have the police
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 08:18 PM
Dec 2017

take the files and lock the doors.

A dangerous option, but I think Trump is crazy enough to consider it.
This is consistent with his personality disorders and delusional mental status.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
19. He doesn't have the authority to.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 08:32 PM
Dec 2017

Regardless of what random Twitter guy says.

Seth Abramson is not a legitimate source. Neither is Twitter.

Irish_Dem

(47,092 posts)
20. Trump is now delusional, on top of a dementia and personality disorders.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 08:34 PM
Dec 2017

He is not interested in what he can or cannot do.
He is interested in saving his own skin any way he can.

Mueller is not foolish, he is considering all possible events.
He didn't survive a year in the jungles of Viet Nam by putting his head in the sand.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
23. It doesn't matter what he thinks.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 08:37 PM
Dec 2017

That's like you trying to fire me from my job. Even if you damn well think you can, you don't have the authority.

If Trump demanded Mueller to not show up, Mueller is under ZERO obligation to obey that command.

BigmanPigman

(51,593 posts)
12. Mueller is NOT a FUCKING MORON!
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 07:53 PM
Dec 2017

He has more evidence backed up in so many different ways that even if he is fired the investigation will continue and the info will not disappear as the GOP hopes it would.

This is why I have been screaming, protesting, emailing and posting for an Independent Commission for 9 months. An Independent Commission would be like the 9/11 Commission. The Dems have introduced bills in both houses calling for this and since the GOP is in charge it hasn't been adopted and passed. It would be fully funded and staffed, relatively quick, non partisan (couldn't be derailed by the GOP), and the findings would be available to the public.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
18. OMG, how many times does this need to be repeated:
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 08:19 PM
Dec 2017

Chump CANNOT fire Mueller. He has to get the Justice Dept. head to do it. Rosenstein has already said he sees no cause to fire Mueller. That means Chumpy would have to fire Rosenstein and frantically search for an FBI toady stupid enough to do his bidding. That's all NOT going to happen by 12/22

Irish_Dem

(47,092 posts)
22. Trump is now delusional and lives in his own reality.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 08:36 PM
Dec 2017

And is mean, petty, vindictive.
Predicting his behavior using normal behavior as the guide is missing the point.

Mueller is not foolish, he is considering all possible events.
He didn't survive a year in the jungles of Viet Nam by putting his head in the sand.

Irish_Dem

(47,092 posts)
25. Not to be argumentative, but he has resources as his disposal the ordinary
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 08:47 PM
Dec 2017

person does not. And he is crazy enough to send in the police to lock doors and take files. And Trump is typically out of control.

Probably difficult for normal mental status people to understand.
The mental health people have been trying to warn everyone.

I am certain Mueller has considered this as an option and has a plan.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
26. I believe there are forces in place that will stop him from completely flipping out.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 08:52 PM
Dec 2017

Oh, and I'm one of those mental health people who's been warning. I agree that Mueller is fully aware of Dotard's instability, and has probably made contingency plans.

bluestarone

(16,941 posts)
27. not firing Mueller BUT
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 08:53 PM
Dec 2017

could fire sessions or Rosenstein. That wouldn't surprise me. then everyone would have a bad Christmas!! and they would enjoy that

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