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Groper Don the Con and his goons are about to learn (Original Post) malaise Dec 2017 OP
K&R HipChick Dec 2017 #1
Go, Mueller, go. Go, Mueller, go. Vinca Dec 2017 #2
Go Mueller, go, go, go lark Dec 2017 #19
"a bunch of real estate con men and their enablers" That is a perfect justhanginon Dec 2017 #3
All the con-men need is for 35 repuke Senators to have their backs lapfog_1 Dec 2017 #4
The more that come out, avebury Dec 2017 #6
We'll see malaise Dec 2017 #10
Yeah, he's leaving quickly. lark Dec 2017 #20
It does offer some comfort to know that our system of Constitutional Republicanism no_hypocrisy Dec 2017 #5
WAIT !! Don't speak too fast.. IF and UNTIL it happens... bad luck... pangaia Dec 2017 #21
Boy oh boy... MontanaMama Dec 2017 #53
were they all there? pangaia Dec 2017 #59
Lol! Yes they were. MontanaMama Dec 2017 #60
They have difficulties to understand.... syringis Dec 2017 #7
Donny Two Scoops Scarsdale Dec 2017 #8
Check this out - from DUer syringis malaise Dec 2017 #11
Excellent! pandr32 Dec 2017 #35
We're not out of the woods yet. And if not for Sessions dem4decades Dec 2017 #9
Excellent point malaise Dec 2017 #12
Hello dem4decades syringis Dec 2017 #17
Dont worry about your English. It is better than the orange assholes English - by far. nt Lucky Luciano Dec 2017 #18
Thank you Lucky Luciano syringis Dec 2017 #25
And that's the truth malaise Dec 2017 #41
Your English is better than most Americans pangaia Dec 2017 #24
Thank you Pangaia syringis Dec 2017 #28
Your English is great, and so are your thoughts! IluvPitties Dec 2017 #29
Thank you IluvPitties syringis Dec 2017 #32
Your paragraph 4: Gabi Hayes Dec 2017 #44
Hello Gabi syringis Dec 2017 #48
Hey! Gotta go back to 74 to find more than a finger full Gabi Hayes Dec 2017 #50
Just sent your great maga to my sis! Gabi Hayes Dec 2017 #51
Walter Karp Gabi Hayes Dec 2017 #52
I can name several RandomAccess Dec 2017 #62
All of them are shills who helped get us where Gabi Hayes Dec 2017 #63
Okay, well, have it your way RandomAccess Dec 2017 #64
that's obvious, but you can't ignore the reality of what they did for years, until Gabi Hayes Dec 2017 #65
The sad thing is... it's not just a bunch of low life real estate con men. Tatiana Dec 2017 #13
Tatiana, may I send you a private message please? PearliePoo2 Dec 2017 #14
But of course. n/t Tatiana Dec 2017 #68
Valid point malaise Dec 2017 #42
I believe you are correct. MontanaMama Dec 2017 #54
Sleaze real estate speculators and disalitervisum Dec 2017 #15
I wouldn't so sure about "bankrupt" casino operator. More like tax evasion scheme. Where is the $? L. Coyote Dec 2017 #23
Yes, Bayrock LLC and its subs, five of which are trump properties "managed" by Felix Sater disalitervisum Dec 2017 #71
K&R stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #16
And they are learning a lot about emails. L. Coyote Dec 2017 #22
And operational security... paleotn Dec 2017 #36
How many media execs got big bribes under the table? L. Coyote Dec 2017 #38
Oh, I'm sure the money trail is long and intricate. paleotn Dec 2017 #45
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah malaise Dec 2017 #43
I sure hope you are right katmondoo Dec 2017 #26
It is really Putin vs the American Political system. The Trump mafia are just hired hands. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #27
Hello Irish Dem syringis Dec 2017 #34
Bonjour mon amie. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #39
Tu me fait rire. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #56
Le rire c'est la sante syringis Dec 2017 #58
Oui, c'est vrai. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #66
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2017 #30
I certainly hope so. PatrickforO Dec 2017 #31
Ain't it the truth and won't it be a good thing. I'm really smiling now for the first time since.... marble falls Dec 2017 #33
He speaks to the American public like he would speak to one of his real-estate smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #37
+1,000 malaise Dec 2017 #57
Yes, I wanna puke alright. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #67
Not so sure. zentrum Dec 2017 #40
And 60 million cult followers continue to eat this up: Gabi Hayes Dec 2017 #47
K&R n/t InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #46
Did something new happen overnight? PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2017 #49
K&R mcar Dec 2017 #55
I am less optimistic. Dotard has been cultivated and schooled Enoki33 Dec 2017 #61
I have said many times: America is stronger than Donald Fucking Trump Skittles Dec 2017 #69
I have said this before, and I will say it many more times. Trump hasn't got a clue. Stuart G Dec 2017 #70

justhanginon

(3,290 posts)
3. "a bunch of real estate con men and their enablers" That is a perfect
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 09:03 AM
Dec 2017

description of the garbage now ostensibly running our country. I think they are in for a rude awakening.

lapfog_1

(29,218 posts)
4. All the con-men need is for 35 repuke Senators to have their backs
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 09:05 AM
Dec 2017

and for the VP + cabinet to hold.

Only conviction by the Senate after impeachment by the House or the 25th removes this blight.

The Democrats will take back the House... and maybe even the Senate, but that only puts a hold on legislative actions... not executive actions.

And Trump can pardon any of his crooked family or entourage.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
6. The more that come out,
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 09:15 AM
Dec 2017

particularly if members of Congress are found to be colluding with the Russians the easier it would become for Dems to publicly fight back.

malaise

(269,144 posts)
10. We'll see
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 09:39 AM
Dec 2017

More than a few ReTHUGs will end up in prison.
Hope you notice that Ryan is rumored to be leaving.

lark

(23,138 posts)
20. Yeah, he's leaving quickly.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 10:45 AM
Dec 2017

After he's gutted taxes for the rich and raised them on the working class, after he's gutted social security, Medicare and Medicaid he's getting the heck out of dodge because he knows he will be uniformly hated when Repug economic lies come home to roost.

no_hypocrisy

(46,151 posts)
5. It does offer some comfort to know that our system of Constitutional Republicanism
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 09:11 AM
Dec 2017

is much stronger than the Weimar Republic in Germany during the Twenties and Thirties.

MontanaMama

(23,334 posts)
53. Boy oh boy...
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:14 PM
Dec 2017

I'm with you. Superstitious as hell. Hopeful but not counting my chickens...

*except I do count chickens...I just came in from feeding them. 🐔

syringis

(5,101 posts)
7. They have difficulties to understand....
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 09:17 AM
Dec 2017


They are trying all what they can to undermine the probe...in vain.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
8. Donny Two Scoops
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 09:24 AM
Dec 2017

is used to making a mess, pocketing the proceeds, declaring bankruptcy and walking away. NOT THIS TIME. He outsmarted himself - BIGLY.

dem4decades

(11,301 posts)
9. We're not out of the woods yet. And if not for Sessions
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 09:36 AM
Dec 2017

Stepping down from the Russian investigating they might have gotten away with it. Shit they still might, I have no faith in Republicans or the Supreme Court thanks to their actions.

All this talk of a Constitutional crisis, it already started when McConnell stole the Obama Supreme Court seat. Why is that not acknowledged?

syringis

(5,101 posts)
17. Hello dem4decades
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 10:36 AM
Dec 2017

It is a legitimate concern.

But I don't think they will succeed.

It is unprecedented and somehow, it is not only an US concern. The free world is more or less concerned.

I think there is also decent people in the GOP who are not willing to trample on American values (well I hope).

Also, it seems citizens are mobilizing and ready to protest and fight any dubious attempt.

Your Constitution is strong, safeguards are numerous. Of course, this can be undermined but it will take a time they don't have.

Trump is really toxic for the GOP, I'm almost sure they will try to save what it can be saved and distance themselves, now that the midterms are coming fast.

Indeed, Neil Gorsuch got his seat via morally dubious methods even if legal.

A small good new, he is not very appreciated by his peers. Many are complaining.

I'm sorry to be almost simplistic, I'm not an English native speaker. My level might be decent for casual subjects but is a bit low for specifics ones.

syringis

(5,101 posts)
25. Thank you Lucky Luciano
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 10:56 AM
Dec 2017


I feel frustrated because I would love to develop more and better.

I try as much as I can to think in the language I write in. It doesn't prevent from all mistakes but it is a way to avoid many of them.

I'm working on my vocabulary, I'm doing my best to extend it

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
44. Your paragraph 4:
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 11:43 AM
Dec 2017

Please name ONE

All talk, which is all BS

All the time

It’s what they are; what they do; what they’ve done for almost 100 years

syringis

(5,101 posts)
48. Hello Gabi
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 11:55 AM
Dec 2017

Well, I can't name one specifically.

I'm supposing they are not all rotten to the core. This is why I said I was hoping so.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
50. Hey! Gotta go back to 74 to find more than a finger full
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:00 PM
Dec 2017

that weren’t rotten to the core

Lotsa dems fall into that group, too

Check out Liberty Under Siege

Link following....

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
62. I can name several
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 01:23 PM
Dec 2017

True, they're not in government -- but it's better than none, though I have to admit that means your "all talk" complaint applies by definition.

Even so, here's my list, and I think I'm forgetting at least one person I should be remembering:

Steve Schmidt
Nicole Wallace
Rick Wilson
Evan McMullin
Ana Navarro
Jennifer Rubin
David Frum
George Will
some lower level folks who actually are or were in govt who left the party

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
63. All of them are shills who helped get us where
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 01:34 PM
Dec 2017

we are; their power lay in greasing the skids to corporate fascism

Now that they’re apostates, they are completely irrelevant

The people they fooled don’t listen to them anymore

They’d be happy to jump back on a less extremist bandwagon, but that is not going to happen

Corporate America got what it wanted and
they aren’t giving anything back

Useful idiots like them played their part and are now cast aside, looking for a different gravy train to board

That train left the station a year ago

They blew it by suddenly developing a “conscience”......now they have nowhere left to go

What a joke

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
65. that's obvious, but you can't ignore the reality of what they did for years, until
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 03:00 PM
Dec 2017

they conveniently recognized the monster they helped CREATE

Ive spoken to both Will and From back in the day they were the worst sort of shills, and their responses to me were total BS

Nicole Wallace was insulting when she was on the Bush bandwagon, btw, and she still exhibits that behavior as often as not

they have to live with what they've done, and the result of their accommodation to that is clear

I agree they're on the outside of the tent, pissing in, but when they were on the inside, they contributed to the new reality

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
13. The sad thing is... it's not just a bunch of low life real estate con men.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 09:46 AM
Dec 2017

It's also nearly an entire political party that has committed treason. This is the first time I can ever think of something like this occurring in our post-Revolutionary American history.

The more information that comes out, the more I am convinced that this treason has been in the works for some time. Probably since Obama was elected and this "birtherism" might be one of the first examples of Russian-backed traitors sowing dissention to destroy our democracy.

MontanaMama

(23,334 posts)
54. I believe you are correct.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:20 PM
Dec 2017

There's no way this effort got underway in 2015-2016. It runs too deep and too far.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
23. I wouldn't so sure about "bankrupt" casino operator. More like tax evasion scheme. Where is the $?
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 10:53 AM
Dec 2017

The money is hidden offshore in Russian mob banks. The business losses are contrived for tax evasion.

 

disalitervisum

(470 posts)
71. Yes, Bayrock LLC and its subs, five of which are trump properties "managed" by Felix Sater
Mon Dec 18, 2017, 01:20 AM
Dec 2017

The number of bankruptcies in and of itself seemed suspicious. The Bayrock LLCs are structured as multi-level equity holdings designed to facilitate tax evasion on the profits from unit sales.

Thousands of counts of mail and wire fraud are coming.



paleotn

(17,938 posts)
36. And operational security...
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 11:27 AM
Dec 2017

Two things that amaze me about this bunch...How utterly incompetent they are. And given their incompetence, how they hell they ever got this far. I suppose a lot more can be said about "daddy's money" than I ever thought, because that is really all they have going for them.

paleotn

(17,938 posts)
45. Oh, I'm sure the money trail is long and intricate.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 11:43 AM
Dec 2017

The depth and breadth of it will astound even us when it all comes to light. And it will. Smarter people than this have had similar things blow up in their faces.

Irish_Dem

(47,226 posts)
27. It is really Putin vs the American Political system. The Trump mafia are just hired hands.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 11:00 AM
Dec 2017

We shall see how things unfold.

syringis

(5,101 posts)
34. Hello Irish Dem
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 11:24 AM
Dec 2017

How are you ?

Remember what Madeleine Albright did say about him :





PS : je devrais recevoir le livre de JFK cette semaine

Une bonne lecture pour les vacances.

Irish_Dem

(47,226 posts)
39. Bonjour mon amie.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 11:33 AM
Dec 2017

Je vais bien, et j'espère que vous allez bien.

Je suis tellement excité que le livre de JFK arrivera bientôt. J'espère que vous l'aimez et attendez votre avis. Je vous préviens, cela vous rendra triste.

LOL on Useful Idiot.

marble falls

(57,145 posts)
33. Ain't it the truth and won't it be a good thing. I'm really smiling now for the first time since....
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 11:15 AM
Dec 2017

they hijacked the White House last year.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
37. He speaks to the American public like he would speak to one of his real-estate
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 11:28 AM
Dec 2017

con-job marks. Just like the slimy, lying salesman that he is. "We are going to give you a big, huge, beautiful tax cut! The biggest you have ever seen." "Jobs are going to come flooding back into this country, good, high-paying jobs!" "We are going to big a big, beautiful wall at the Mexican border and Mexico is going to pay for it!" "There will be so much winning it will make you want to puke!"

In real-estate, once they bought it and he had their money, it was caveat-emptor. With the American public, they will eventually realize they have been fed nothing but lies and deceit and they will blame Trump and the GOP. Unfortunately, they can - and already have - do a lot of damage before that realization sets in.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
40. Not so sure.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 11:33 AM
Dec 2017

Gerrymandering.
Citizen's United.
Income disparity at huge levels.
A stacked conservative Supreme Court and lower judiciary.
Loss of net neutrality which controls access to information.

Wish I had your optimism Malaise.
Will show up in the street if they try to fire Mueller, but our institutions have never been so at risk since 1860.



PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,873 posts)
49. Did something new happen overnight?
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 11:59 AM
Dec 2017

Or is this just another one of the many threads here about how Trump and all around him are about to go down?

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
61. I am less optimistic. Dotard has been cultivated and schooled
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 01:12 PM
Dec 2017

for years by Putin on how to use well tested dictatorial propaganda tools. Now that he controls the levers of power, Fox state television station, thousands of radio outlets and church pulpits his ideological checklist is being slowly fed to the unwary. Russia, Turkey and Egypt are among his businesses models. The recent fraudulent onslaught on Mueller ominously supported by traitors in Congress is part of the attempt to get rid of him. It is not scare mongering to say much of the fate of our nation rests on Mueller’s shoulders. Worth noting that the governments of his business models were subverted for the purpose of making billionaires of their ruling families. Dotard is only capable of respecting money and it’s power. And Mueller stands in his way while our Constitution is literally under attack and very few seem to notice. Dotard’s recent little understood statement that unfortunately people will die is a very sobering reality check.

Skittles

(153,174 posts)
69. I have said many times: America is stronger than Donald Fucking Trump
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:06 PM
Dec 2017

I am very hopeful justice will prevail.

Stuart G

(38,439 posts)
70. I have said this before, and I will say it many more times. Trump hasn't got a clue.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 10:51 PM
Dec 2017

None at all..

This game he plays, and he plays it like a game...is no game. It is life and death for many, not a game.
Not a real estate deal. He may think it is a game, or a con, but it is not. There are many on our side of the fence and a few on the other side who know the truth as stated in the Original Post "U.S.A institutions are more powerful and capable than a bunch of low life real estate con men and their enablers..."

There are those in the media, who Trump puts down, who have more integrity and honesty in one finger nail, then Trump can "imagine in his entire body and those of his sons."

This U.S.A. system has survived, a Civil War, 2 World Wars, McCarthyism, Space Race, Viet Nam War, Depressions, Recessions, Lies, Thievery, Corruption, Good Times, Bad Times. Even Times. New Inventions (not imagined during the time this country was founded..for example the one that is being used to write this) Hatred, Evil, Love, Change, and so on and on....Trump's view is a very narrow view that can be described in one simple word....just one................only one....ok here it is........................
..........me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me.

That is the word, 20 times over, that Trump cares about..and the only word he cares about..

Because that is his favorite thought, he can not look beyond himself. As a larger percentage of people
see this, a larger percentage will turn against him. In the end, I believe he will lose the game, big time.
And the U.S.A will survive. It won't be easy, but it has never been easy...

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