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still_one

(92,325 posts)
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 11:59 AM Dec 2017

Letter: Medicare and Social Security are not entitlements

"We need to change the term used for Social Security and Medicare. They are not “entitlements.” Entitlement suggests a benefit that is given without merit. Excuse me. I have paid for my Social Security throughout my working life. My Social Security is taxed, and my Medicare payment is subtracted from my Social Security check each month.

A provision in the Senate’s tax bill that Medicare recipients will no longer have cancer treatments paid for by Medicare is a breach of contract. The same for Social Security; this is a retirement insurance policy paid over the years. If an insurance company in the private sector were to deny or lessen coverage it would be sued and put out of business.

Representatives and senators have taken themselves out of these programs and enacted their own medical and retirement coverages. With the sweet programs they enjoy, they do not realize how the rest of us in the country live and plan for retirement.


http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/letters/2017/12/16/letter-medicare-and-social-security-are-not-entitlements/


The truth is, "Entitlement" means you are entitled to something, and in the case of Medicare and Social Security, most of us have been paying into it, and are ENTITLED to its benefits. Unfortunately, the republicans, right-wing, and our illustrious media have misrepresented and distorted what it actually means, and have changed its connotation to mean "another welfare program". This is the same thing they did with the word "liberal". Gave it a negative connotation, when in reality it represents just the opposite, "PROGRESSIVE"

It really is time we stop the mischaracterization and outright falsehoods of these terms

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Letter: Medicare and Social Security are not entitlements (Original Post) still_one Dec 2017 OP
Why not refer to them as... SHRED Dec 2017 #1
That is much more accurate. calimary Dec 2017 #8
Frank Luntz kicked our ass SHRED Dec 2017 #9
+1 whathehell Dec 2017 #10
For years I've wondered why we can't seem to dottie66 Dec 2017 #13
Its all propaganda so the GOP can drain the economy and become very wealthy. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #2
NEXT on FOX: SS and SSI recipients and their Cadillacs dalton99a Dec 2017 #3
Getting rid of SS and Medicare is a GOP wet dream Cyrano Dec 2017 #4
Yes, since their inceptions. H.W.Bush called Medicare "Socialism" whathehell Dec 2017 #12
For the sake of accuracy: As heinous as the tax bill is, it does not cut cancer treatment The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #5
Thanks for the clarification. Of course what where the cuts in Medicare would occur to pay for the still_one Dec 2017 #6
"Entitlement" means something one is entitled to. marybourg Dec 2017 #7
I agree. I am entitled to my Social Security and pension. LiberalFighter Dec 2017 #14
Of course that is true, but when the word has been misrepresented to mean something it isn't still_one Dec 2017 #15
Yes, that means insist you want your "entitlements" ; marybourg Dec 2017 #17
I agree still_one Dec 2017 #19
This Has To Be Repeated As Often Me. Dec 2017 #11
Here's an easier way to read -- and post -- a Twitter thread RandomAccess Dec 2017 #16
Many people thought they "earned" VA benefits, but learned they are "means tested". JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2017 #18

calimary

(81,419 posts)
8. That is much more accurate.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:28 PM
Dec 2017

Just infuriates me how little our side seems to know OR understand the critical importance of word usage and manipulation. They’ve almost literally slept through years of this, while the bad guys have systematically studied and specialized in, and then weaponized this level of perception management, and became masters of it. While our side stayed asleep.

I’ve seen these naive dim bulbs on our side on the air assuring everybody that “the American people will see! The American people will know!” NO, you idiots!!! They WON’T!!! When all they hear is the constant onslaught on propaganda pushing the talking points of the bad guys, guess what they’re going to start internalizing and embracing?

They’re not gonna see or internalize ANY objective facts or reality because they’re not even going to know any of that EXISTS. If all they hear is the bubble world view, how will they ever know there’s a different view? When they’re constantly and repeatedly told there’s one set of “alternative facts” out there, how will they ever know there’s another version (the actual real-world reality version)?

Seems like our side STILL doesn’t get this!

dottie66

(59 posts)
13. For years I've wondered why we can't seem to
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:44 PM
Dec 2017

come up with short phrases to describe our policies then have spokespeople always use them.
I like "earned benefits".

Irish_Dem

(47,226 posts)
2. Its all propaganda so the GOP can drain the economy and become very wealthy.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:02 PM
Dec 2017

The Putin model of leadership.

Cyrano

(15,046 posts)
4. Getting rid of SS and Medicare is a GOP wet dream
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:08 PM
Dec 2017

They really believe that we the people aren't entitled to a damn thing. And getting rid of these things will also "thin the herd."

The Republican Party is the scum of the earth and our deadly enemies.

whathehell

(29,082 posts)
12. Yes, since their inceptions. H.W.Bush called Medicare "Socialism"
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:35 PM
Dec 2017

when it was introduced during his term in Congress in the 1960's.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,806 posts)
5. For the sake of accuracy: As heinous as the tax bill is, it does not cut cancer treatment
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:12 PM
Dec 2017

for Medicare recipients. http://www.factcheck.org/2017/12/medicare-cancer-tax-bill/ What it could (and probably will) do is increase the deficit to the point where available benefits will be reduced.

still_one

(92,325 posts)
6. Thanks for the clarification. Of course what where the cuts in Medicare would occur to pay for the
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:22 PM
Dec 2017

increased deficit from this draconian tax bill is unknown


marybourg

(12,633 posts)
7. "Entitlement" means something one is entitled to.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:28 PM
Dec 2017

I work every week, therefore I'm "entitled" to my paycheck. I'm an American citizen, therefore I'm "entitled" to vote. The word even contains the seed of its meaning: I have a "title" to something. Like you have a "title" to your house

Where did the idea come from that "entitlement" means welfare? It came from the publicans attacking "entitlements". But they weren't attacking welfare. They had already succeeded in that fight. Now they were attacking things we were entitled to.

We need to protect our entitlements, not argue that they're not entitlements. They are entitlements and we need to not waste our efforts on the mis-understanding of a word

LiberalFighter

(51,020 posts)
14. I agree. I am entitled to my Social Security and pension.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:44 PM
Dec 2017

Just as I am entitled to Medicare because I paid into it and will pay monthly premiums for other parts of it.

still_one

(92,325 posts)
15. Of course that is true, but when the word has been misrepresented to mean something it isn't
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:47 PM
Dec 2017

that lie needs to be corrected, and set straight



marybourg

(12,633 posts)
17. Yes, that means insist you want your "entitlements" ;
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 02:36 PM
Dec 2017

don't try to prove they're NOT entitlements, but are some other word that means the same thing. That concedes ground that should't be conceded.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,362 posts)
18. Many people thought they "earned" VA benefits, but learned they are "means tested".
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 02:39 PM
Dec 2017

Repubs can apply means-testing to Social Security and Medicare to reduce the eligible ranks. It would probably pass, because the opposition would be split along "have"/"have-not" lines within the Democratic Party.

Step by step, they'll try to eliminate these benefits.

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