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MC Cain not well enough to vote on tax bill. Vibes to him. GOP will have (Original Post) applegrove Dec 2017 OP
karma to him, maybe Gabi Hayes Dec 2017 #1
McCain got schooled by republucans when he ran for president in 2008. applegrove Dec 2017 #3
didn't say that. what he does deserve is Gabi Hayes Dec 2017 #4
What a cold, heartless post. democrank Dec 2017 #9
why don't you tell it to all the people he killed in Vietnam, or all the people whose life savings, Gabi Hayes Dec 2017 #14
That was his job. IluvPitties Dec 2017 #16
Also, he should thank them for his five years of (superb) treatment at the, then, Hanoi Hilton. I demosincebirth Dec 2017 #53
Yeah the fairly decent human being who left his severely injured wife for his meal ticket. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2017 #65
You sound like a man with overwhelming compassion, just what humanity needs. demosincebirth Dec 2017 #67
Thank you. tymorial Dec 2017 #61
I agree with you. It shows that many of us are not better than them. That saddens me. Tipperary Dec 2017 #22
The tax bill is cold and heartless. People will die as a result. Doodley Dec 2017 #33
I agree. Funny how some think the way others act excuses bad behavior on their part. Tipperary Dec 2017 #38
Very respectfully, that's kinda sad. IluvPitties Dec 2017 #10
here: Gabi Hayes Dec 2017 #19
He's mostly bad, but still has some weak pulse of morality Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #23
never said I wished him dead. just that karma would be sweet if he can't make the vote. Gabi Hayes Dec 2017 #25
Nothing. Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #28
Whatever makes you feel better about what you said. Tipperary Dec 2017 #24
I've lost my parents to Alzheimer's and emphysema Gabi Hayes Dec 2017 #29
Well go ahead and grave dance all you want. Tell yourself it is all good. But it is not. Tipperary Dec 2017 #30
WTF are you talking about? he's in the hospital for chemo reaction, or something Gabi Hayes Dec 2017 #46
I agree with you Gabi JimBeard Dec 2017 #42
What has he done to help poor people in the Doodley Dec 2017 #34
Good point. I am a nurse and have seen countless people die-- BigDemVoter Dec 2017 #59
Everybody dies Loki Liesmith Dec 2017 #35
So hard to deal with sickness or loss around this time of year...... a kennedy Dec 2017 #2
When you feel inclined to wish McCain ill IluvPitties Dec 2017 #5
a man who wanted to win so bad in 08 that allowed sone real evil people...... Gabi Hayes Dec 2017 #11
I don't share a Manichaean perspective on politocal opponents... IluvPitties Dec 2017 #18
uhhhh.....McCain is one of his most hypocritical minions. just as he turned out to be for Bush Gabi Hayes Dec 2017 #21
Suppose his running mate became president. Is that Doodley Dec 2017 #37
Maybe something deep inside his soul knows that voting for that bill enough Dec 2017 #6
Very possibly. IluvPitties Dec 2017 #7
Really? He could just be very ill and does not want to die in Washington. bronxiteforever Dec 2017 #48
If he's a believer, maybe he feels he'll have to answer for that vote with the guy in the sky lindysalsagal Dec 2017 #51
The betraying scoundrel may not want to leave this Hortensis Dec 2017 #8
A frickin MEN! Gabi Hayes Dec 2017 #12
Most likely the last Christmas with his family. nt Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #13
He could do both, but has villanously left one to us to live with. Hortensis Dec 2017 #20
Had no idea his mother was so long lived. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #36
Yes. I hope her mind has lasted as long, but that Hortensis Dec 2017 #40
Yes it is good that he goes home now. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #43
Way too much for me, IRish. He has an absolute duty to Hortensis Dec 2017 #45
Yes, part of me agrees with you. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #49
Don't care, Irish. He's a U.S. senator, which means his Hortensis Dec 2017 #62
Good points.....can't argue them. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #63
Well, if he dies in the next 12 hours I'll somewhat Hortensis Dec 2017 #64
My Spouse and I were Wellstone ruled Dec 2017 #15
CNN said the hospilization was because of side effects of the chemo. applegrove Dec 2017 #17
Which is what kills you. Tipperary Dec 2017 #26
Oh. I guess i was hoping McCain would be around longer. applegrove Dec 2017 #31
I am hoping so too. Having seen cancer battles, I only wish for victory on the patients part. Tipperary Dec 2017 #39
I know. But anger will do that and Americans have much to be angry applegrove Dec 2017 #41
Yes that seems to be just one part. Wellstone ruled Dec 2017 #27
Vibes to you. I was in denial. applegrove Dec 2017 #32
You are here only for a short time, Wellstone ruled Dec 2017 #44
This Treasury Heist is far from over at this point. L. Coyote Dec 2017 #47
They have 50 votes to democratic 49. It is done. applegrove Dec 2017 #50
Who is the 49th vote sabbat hunter Dec 2017 #55
Okay. 48? applegrove Dec 2017 #56
No they don't, not until the votes are cast. L. Coyote Dec 2017 #57
I will not dance on his grave, onethatcares Dec 2017 #52
No one deserves to die sabbat hunter Dec 2017 #54
Whether he 'deserves' it or not, he has it. . . BigDemVoter Dec 2017 #60
So something good will come out of McCain's illness. BigDemVoter Dec 2017 #58
I wish him well. tavernier Dec 2017 #66

applegrove

(118,749 posts)
3. McCain got schooled by republucans when he ran for president in 2008.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:14 PM
Dec 2017

They convinced him he didn't understand economics. That he could not be a maverick for the people on economics. He got snowed. I see that as weakness. He does not deserve to die.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
4. didn't say that. what he does deserve is
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:18 PM
Dec 2017

not to be able to vote

that should be his karma

I don't care whether he gets better or not...we all are going to die, so what's the diff when?

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
14. why don't you tell it to all the people he killed in Vietnam, or all the people whose life savings,
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:38 PM
Dec 2017

whose homes were lost because of his actions during the Keating 5, when he helped keep the government from closing down that ripoff machine?

save your disgust for them

demosincebirth

(12,541 posts)
53. Also, he should thank them for his five years of (superb) treatment at the, then, Hanoi Hilton. I
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:59 PM
Dec 2017

don't agree with many of his political views, but deep inside I think he is a fairly descent human being, far from many of the yokels in his own political party,

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,335 posts)
65. Yeah the fairly decent human being who left his severely injured wife for his meal ticket.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 09:11 PM
Dec 2017

The guy is an asshole through and through.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
38. I agree. Funny how some think the way others act excuses bad behavior on their part.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:12 PM
Dec 2017

It does not. It simply shows the ugliness of that person posting.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
19. here:
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:44 PM
Dec 2017


what's with all this sympathy for a truly bad person?

what if it were trump with the cancer?

would you be defending such "callous" remarks when Cheney kicks it?

what about hitler?

what was untrue about anything I said?

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
23. He's mostly bad, but still has some weak pulse of morality
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:51 PM
Dec 2017

I won't wish him dead, but I'm glad he is too sick to make the vote.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
25. never said I wished him dead. just that karma would be sweet if he can't make the vote.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:54 PM
Dec 2017

what's so horrible about that?

and I don't know about that pulse of morality (nice image, though!)

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
24. Whatever makes you feel better about what you said.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:52 PM
Dec 2017

Perhaps you have never lost a close family member to cancer. It is not a joke. You, too, will die one day. Think long and hard about your words.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
29. I've lost my parents to Alzheimer's and emphysema
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:56 PM
Dec 2017

care to choose which is worse?

been there

done that

you don't get it, obviously

this person is one of the most powerful men on earth, and has used his power in myriad malign ways

sorry if I can't sympathize with his plight

save it for somebody that deserves it

like Trump!

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
46. WTF are you talking about? he's in the hospital for chemo reaction, or something
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:28 PM
Dec 2017

nowhere near death at this point. even if he was, show me, please, the grave dancing, of which you accuse me. Jesus.

he's such a fine man, though, well worth the sympathy:


The Nightingale's Song (pg. 239): The storybook marriage that had survived separation, pain, and prison began to fray.

Off-duty, usually on routine cross-country flights to Yuma and El Centro, John [McCain] started carousing and running around with women.
Asked about them, he admitted to having a series of dalliances during this period.


it's even worse than that:

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/09/mccains-first-marriage/

Doodley

(9,119 posts)
34. What has he done to help poor people in the
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:06 PM
Dec 2017

Richest nation on the planet who are without the cancer care they need?

BigDemVoter

(4,154 posts)
59. Good point. I am a nurse and have seen countless people die--
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 07:55 PM
Dec 2017

Death isn't always a bad thing. . . Seriously. And quite honestly, I would much prefer to see Senator McCain dead than I would a bunch of innocent people. And as you said, he's going to die anyway. . . With a glioblastoma, he has no chance of recovery and can only hope for a peaceful death.

It's a shame he hasn't extended the same degree of kindness and altruism towards others that they have given him.

a kennedy

(29,694 posts)
2. So hard to deal with sickness or loss around this time of year......
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:11 PM
Dec 2017

holidays will always be family, friends and sorrow for so many families. My brother died on Dec. 23rd in 1980......understand the the pain the McCain family is dealing with. My hope is they will be happy with what time Senator McCain has left.

IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)
5. When you feel inclined to wish McCain ill
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:22 PM
Dec 2017

Just think about how different and more decent McCain would have been as president, in comparison to Trump. McCain is a good man who loves this country... a man who wanted to win so bad in 08 that allowed sone real evil people in the GOP to nominate a trial balloon called Sarah Palin as VP. He accepted Palin because he wanted to take a bit of the novelty of the Dems nominating a black man for president away. I don't think he knew how stupid Palin was, or how evil the forces behind her were. Palin served as a precursor to Trump- but most of us did not know it back then, including McCain.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
11. a man who wanted to win so bad in 08 that allowed sone real evil people......
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:33 PM
Dec 2017

you could have stopped right there

McCain has always always always been a self serving creep, from his youngest days, through the navy, through his first wife (know anything about that?), through the Keating 5.....I could go on

like all republicans in power these days, he is shameless, heartless, and greedy.

a liar without compunction. you mentioned the 08 election. combine that with his perjurious testimony during the Keating 5 fiasco (along with his behind the scenes, mendacious tossing the other 4 under the bus to the media), there's little room to find him admirable on any account. if you choose to honor his service, well, there's that little thing about murdering innocent civilians in a war of aggression, a quagmire of our own making, and one in which he chose to be a good German, I mean serviceman

other than that, a great guy

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
21. uhhhh.....McCain is one of his most hypocritical minions. just as he turned out to be for Bush
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:47 PM
Dec 2017

after all the slander, all the lies he told about him in the primaries way back when

remember any of that?

republicans are true believers, or behave as such

NOT ONE republican dares do anything but toe the line on all the important decisions being made that are turning us into even more of a laughingstock than we already are

it's SAD!

IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)
7. Very possibly.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:25 PM
Dec 2017

The guy is sticking it to Trump non stop, even during his last days... and I hate to say it, but that's what this seems to be...

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
48. Really? He could just be very ill and does not want to die in Washington.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:38 PM
Dec 2017

I can’t blame him for that because the fat orange Nero would actually drool over his corpse. Maybe he just wants to be with his family like most humans.

lindysalsagal

(20,718 posts)
51. If he's a believer, maybe he feels he'll have to answer for that vote with the guy in the sky
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:46 PM
Dec 2017

reel soon. Dunno.

But he served honorably, and you can't discount that. He also stood up for Obama, and stopped the desicration of ACA.

He's certainly not all bad. GOP has far worse, for sure. But he wasn't president material, either.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. The betraying scoundrel may not want to leave this
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:25 PM
Dec 2017

intensely corrupt bill to be what would be a truly infamous legacy.

Description of prisoner of war would open the longest-lived paragraph on him, and the last one his role as a leading signator of whatever this massive tax heist, bankrupting of our treasury, and dismantling of programs most Americans depend on and strongly support will be known as if it passes. For sure students will be studying the massive corruption and takeover of the Republican Party in this era as long as our nation exists.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
20. He could do both, but has villanously left one to us to live with.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:44 PM
Dec 2017

His mom's still alive at 105, btw, going on 106. She campaigned for him in 2008, but that was 9 years ago now.

Irish_Dem

(47,226 posts)
36. Had no idea his mother was so long lived.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:07 PM
Dec 2017

And still campaigned with him when she was 96. Wow.

Yes he leaves the American people in the lurch.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
40. Yes. I hope her mind has lasted as long, but that
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:18 PM
Dec 2017

would mean she'd know how sick he is. You're right in that this is likely the last Christmas they will both be alive, no matter what.

Irish_Dem

(47,226 posts)
43. Yes it is good that he goes home now.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:24 PM
Dec 2017

His presence in congress would not change the outcome of upcoming votes anyway.

And it is time for the McCain family to be together.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
45. Way too much for me, IRish. He has an absolute duty to
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:27 PM
Dec 2017

fight against what he's been part of. If he missed Christmas, oh well. As it is, I believe he's an unprincipled, hypocritical coward who's running away from the final, crowning piece of villainy that for sure would be his historic epitaph.

Irish_Dem

(47,226 posts)
49. Yes, part of me agrees with you.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:39 PM
Dec 2017

But the other thing is that we do not know how sick he is right now,
and how much time he has left. Could be days, not weeks.
Or he may be bed ridden and on high dose pain killers.
We just don't know.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
62. Don't care, Irish. He's a U.S. senator, which means his
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 08:50 PM
Dec 2017

duty is to serve the people. He can't call Manpower to send a temp to cover. If he didn't want to spend some of what could be his last winter in DC during this pivotal time, he should have resigned. We owe him nothing but courtesy (usually), and as a senator owes us everything. It comes with the position he assumed.

Off to bed now. (Never used this one before.)


Irish_Dem

(47,226 posts)
63. Good points.....can't argue them.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 08:53 PM
Dec 2017

I am cynical, tough, demanding and exacting.

But I believe even evil people deserve to say goodbye to their kin and be buried by them.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
64. Well, if he dies in the next 12 hours I'll somewhat
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 08:56 PM
Dec 2017

agree, though I'll still think he should have stayed in DC in case he lived long enough to be wheeled in for the vote. Otoh, if the vote fails, he can be hailed as helping defeat it by default.

Night again.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
15. My Spouse and I were
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:40 PM
Dec 2017

just talking about her Sister's Brain Tumor earlier. As much as we disliked McCain's Politics,today we understand what is going on at the Hospital,the end is most likely in the next week.

Time to gather the Family and say good byes and enjoy Family laughs and hugs.

McConnell has his fifty plus loser Pence. Sad when Party takes priority over Country and one of their Leaders. Really sounds the true character of McConnell,Cornyn and Ryan.

BTW,on a sad note,think of those who will not be able to receive the same or similiar Cancer Treatment this time next year. All for a Wealth Transfer Legislation to keep GOP Campaign Donors Happy.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
26. Which is what kills you.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:54 PM
Dec 2017

“Side effects of chemo” is what kills you. It has killed three wonderful people I know.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
39. I am hoping so too. Having seen cancer battles, I only wish for victory on the patients part.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:16 PM
Dec 2017

Some of the posts here are very sad and disappointing.

applegrove

(118,749 posts)
41. I know. But anger will do that and Americans have much to be angry
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:20 PM
Dec 2017

at with republicans. So I take it with a grain of salt. Better to get anger out than turn it inwards. Everyone will be affected differently and negatively by repuke policy. Each has their own route to go.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
27. Yes that seems to be just one part.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:55 PM
Dec 2017

We have been down this road with Sisters In Law all in the same year. The direct Radiation does wipe out the hell out of the Immune System and being eighty,when or if they piggy back Chemo. Ouch,like I say,seen this first hand. Both Girls were 75 plus and our running family laugh was and is today,if the Cancer does not get you,the damn Chemo will.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
47. This Treasury Heist is far from over at this point.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:29 PM
Dec 2017

Trump may not get his BILLION $$$$$ Christmas bonus (tax break) after all.

onethatcares

(16,178 posts)
52. I will not dance on his grave,
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:58 PM
Dec 2017

but I will state that he has been a member of a political party that hates POC, the enviroment, working class individuals, and to me, it seems the entire earth. Their only interest is more money for themselves along with more power.

I could not be a hypocrite and say "he was a good person that cared about us all". Nope, just ain't gonna happen.

As far as his cancer goes, he was a member of a political party that wants nothing more than to deny the rest of us the same healthcare he now enjoys. I hope he does not suffer as he passes into wherever it is he goes.

BigDemVoter

(4,154 posts)
60. Whether he 'deserves' it or not, he has it. . .
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 08:07 PM
Dec 2017

I'm not trying to be snarky, but it's a fact. He's old and has incurable brain cancer. Perhaps it's a shame, but he will die and it will probably be sooner rather than later.

I prefer that he not be able to vote on this abomination of a tax bill. If that means he has to be ill in order not to vote or worse, so be it. Senator McCain is one person, and he has the potential to harm so many millions.

BigDemVoter

(4,154 posts)
58. So something good will come out of McCain's illness.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 07:54 PM
Dec 2017

As they say (not that I believe it)-- "God works in mysterious ways." Meh.

tavernier

(12,396 posts)
66. I wish him well.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 09:36 PM
Dec 2017

He fought a hard battle and I respect him for fighting against injustice. I wish he had the strength of old to battle against this new evil.

I know there are McCain haters out there, and I wasn’t a fan, but I always felt that he was a guy who loved his country.



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