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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:57 PM Jul 2012

Former McCain adviser: Romney’s tax returns don’t look ‘like the average American’

Former McCain adviser: Romney’s tax returns don’t look ‘like the average American’

By Justin Sink

A top campaign official who worked for Sen. John McCain’s (R-Ariz.) 2008 presidential bid and helped select his running mate said Sunday that Mitt Romney's tax returns "do not look anything like the average American."

Steve Schmidt, McCain's former campaign strategist, who viewed Romney’s tax returns when the presumptive nominee was being vetted for the vice presidential slot in the last cycle said Romney was an “extremely wealthy man.”

He said Romney had turned over 23-years’ worth of tax returns to the McCain campaign to vet that were extremely complex. But Schmidt also said there was nothing in the documents that would have precluded McCain from picking Romney.

"Mitt Romney went through this process and what I can tell you is that he's a person of decency with the highest ethical character and background," Schmidt said. "There was nothing that was disqualifying. That pick in 2008 was not about any deficiency with Mitt Romney. It was a political decision that we made in a very bad political circumstance."

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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/239367-mccain-adviser-romneys-tax-returns-do-not-look-anything-like-the-average-american

Schmidt: Trust us, we picked Palin.









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Former McCain adviser: Romney’s tax returns don’t look ‘like the average American’ (Original Post) ProSense Jul 2012 OP
That was before outsourcing by Bain became controversial. Loudly Jul 2012 #1
That was before we were confronted by car elevators. aquart Jul 2012 #3
I Agree rtracey Jul 2012 #22
It Was Also Before He Filed DallasNE Jul 2012 #29
May I suggest... Rmoney Jul 2012 #2
LOL flamingdem Jul 2012 #7
"Goofing off by the numbers" immoderate Jul 2012 #4
If Romney ProSense Jul 2012 #6
Amnesty thing is a good point. immoderate Jul 2012 #13
And remember, this was in 2008, so those returns could only go up through 2007. beac Jul 2012 #17
Exactly right! MgtPA Jul 2012 #27
His return have waaaaaay more zeros than mine. CanonRay Jul 2012 #5
Yeah. Mostly on Line 75. Always nothing but zeros. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #12
Yeah, well I do have him beat there...mine are never zeros CanonRay Jul 2012 #14
decency. not likely roguevalley Jul 2012 #8
"I can tell you is that he's a person of decency with the highest ethical character and background." BumRushDaShow Jul 2012 #9
Hes right.....the average American doesnt have a Cayman or Swiss acct.... zellie Jul 2012 #10
I have to say I'm shocked, Senator McCain. You should have told us that he's wealthy sooner. WillowTree Jul 2012 #11
Mitt Romney’s ‘exotic’ tax problem ProSense Jul 2012 #15
The number of deductions he gets will be the REAL problem AFTER lying to the FEC uponit7771 Jul 2012 #16
Yup, but the speculation is really about 2009...taking that amnesty... joeybee12 Jul 2012 #18
Funny Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2012 #20
The Romneys' LIVES don't look 'like the average American person IMHO.' Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2012 #19
Hmmm, Schmidt was asked if he had seen the returns... Spazito Jul 2012 #21
K&R, curiouser and curiouser... riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #23
Yes, there are a multitude of questions unanswered... Spazito Jul 2012 #24
I remember that as well. Thanks for posting. Raine1967 Jul 2012 #25
In re-reading the article in the OP... Spazito Jul 2012 #28
If nothing's incriminating there, then Romney hides his returns cause he's compulsively secretive Bucky Jul 2012 #26
Schmidt the Scumbag davidpdx Jul 2012 #30
 

Loudly

(2,436 posts)
1. That was before outsourcing by Bain became controversial.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 03:01 PM
Jul 2012

And the extent of Romney's involvement with Bain while it was going on.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
3. That was before we were confronted by car elevators.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 03:13 PM
Jul 2012

AIDS and famine in Ethiopia and elsewhere have taught us you CAN be "too thin."

Now we are finally beginning to realize you can also be "too rich."

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
22. I Agree
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 11:53 AM
Jul 2012

I agree with your post. All that happened before he claimed he was not involved with Bain in those later years. I believe his tax records show the added 100,000 as Bain chairman, thus proving he was a liar and the possibility of him breaking federal law.......

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
29. It Was Also Before He Filed
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 02:43 PM
Jul 2012

His 2008 and 2009 tax returns. Even the 2010 tax returns are incomplete because he did not release the required supporting tax forms for his Swiss bank holdings for that year. This means Romney has so far not released his complete tax returns for any single year. None.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
4. "Goofing off by the numbers"
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 03:14 PM
Jul 2012

I don't doubt that Romney's actions were meticulously legal. That's an old army term I posted. It means that strictly speaking, his ass was covered. It's to avoid terms like "right" and "wrong."

--imm

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
6. If Romney
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 03:42 PM
Jul 2012

"I don't doubt that Romney's actions were meticulously legal. That's an old army term I posted. It means that strictly speaking, his ass was covered."

...participated in amnesty, his ass wasn't covered. In fact, is his ass was covered, he'd release them. My guess is his returns answer a lot of the accusations and questions, and that's not good for Romney.

Schmidt saying that they're not like "the average American" implies that no one will understand them. You know, they're too complex for "you people."

Since Obama released his returns back to 2000, does that mean his returns are more "American" than Romney's?

They can't seem to get this response thing down.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
13. Amnesty thing is a good point.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 06:29 PM
Jul 2012

It would mean that at some point his ass was uncovered, but now he's legal.

People seem so locked in. I wonder if the revelation will affect any votes?

--imm

beac

(9,992 posts)
17. And remember, this was in 2008, so those returns could only go up through 2007.
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 11:33 AM
Jul 2012

Amnesty was offered in 2009 (and 2011), so McCain's people would not have seen that in their review.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
12. Yeah. Mostly on Line 75. Always nothing but zeros.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 05:15 PM
Jul 2012

You know, the line that says, "Amount You Owe"?


It must be the Magic Underwear.

I always owe them, well, something.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
9. "I can tell you is that he's a person of decency with the highest ethical character and background."
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 04:39 PM
Jul 2012

Says the same man who also said the below -

One of the mistakes we made in the Palin process was one of assumptions,” said Steve Schmidt, one of the McCain aides who guided the process. “We immediately made the assumption that anyone with ‘Governor’ next to her name has a base level of knowledge of history and policy that in a post-Palin world it isn’t necessarily safe to assume.”

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http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/after-palin-expect-a-more-intense-vetting-process/


WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
11. I have to say I'm shocked, Senator McCain. You should have told us that he's wealthy sooner.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 04:47 PM
Jul 2012

Now all my illusions are shattered. Whatever shall I do?

Edited to add: What an effin' doofus.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
15. Mitt Romney’s ‘exotic’ tax problem
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 10:28 AM
Jul 2012
Mitt Romney’s ‘exotic’ tax problem

Posted by Chris Cillizza and Aaron Blake

For years, President’s Obama’s political opponents have used his background — Kenyan father, Kansan mother, raised in Indonesia and Hawaii — to cast him as somehow exotic, someone whose life makes it hard for him to understand the average American.

And yet, it’s Mitt Romney, Obama’s general election opponent, who is now dealing with an “exotic” issue that is centered on his considerable wealth and being played out in the ongoing fight over whether he will release more than two years worth of tax returns.

“He is an extremely wealthy man,” Steve Schmidt, who managed Sen. John McCain’s (R-Ariz.) 2008 presidential campaign and was involved in the vetting of Romney for vice president, said during an appearance Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press”. “His tax returns do not look anything like the average American’s.”

Schmidt hit the nail on the head in assessing the political problem of Romney’s tax returns — and also lays out the most likely explanation for why the former Massachusetts governor and his campaign have been so stingy about releasing more.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/mitt-romneys-exotic-problem/2012/07/23/gJQAp2R13W_blog.html


<...>

Well, that clears it up, right? Not exactly, insofar as (1) Schmidt earlier said he did’t actually review Mitt’s tax returns himself; (2) he’s also said Romney’s wealth was indeed the big disqualifier; and (3) he’s an operative for a political party that thinks rich folks pay too much in taxes.

Steve Schmidt is about as reliable an authority for “vetting” Romney’s financial and tax records for us as Mitt’s buddy Donald Trump. And maybe that’s the next figure the GOP will trot out to vouch for him.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2012_07/glad_we_got_that_cleared_up038750.php


 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
18. Yup, but the speculation is really about 2009...taking that amnesty...
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 11:35 AM
Jul 2012

So, Steve saying this means squat.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,414 posts)
20. Funny
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 11:38 AM
Jul 2012

how Repubs rail against "amnesty" for people here illegally but advocate "amnesty" for money in tax shelters and offshore accounts.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,414 posts)
19. The Romneys' LIVES don't look 'like the average American person IMHO.'
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 11:36 AM
Jul 2012

Don't need his tax returns to know that.

Spazito

(50,365 posts)
21. Hmmm, Schmidt was asked if he had seen the returns...
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 11:49 AM
Jul 2012

on Lawrence O'Donnell's show last week and he said NO, he didn't see them, they would have been reviewed by others vetting the potential VP candidates.

Here's what he said on July 17:

"Steve Schmidt, who managed Sen. John McCain’s presidential campaign in 2008, said on Monday that he never personally saw Mitt Romney’s taxes but that they were not raised as a reason not to select him as McCain’s running mate in an interview on MSNBC’s “Last Word” with Lawrence O’Donnell.

“I never saw the tax returns, Lawrence,” Schmidt said. Schmidt said they would have been seen by Rick Davis, who ran McCain’s vetting operation. But he didn’t see the taxes raised as an issue, he said."

Now he's saying he saw them. Interesting.

Here is a link to TPM with the video of him saying he never saw them:

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/steve-schmidt-says-he-never-saw-romneys-tax

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
23. K&R, curiouser and curiouser...
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 11:59 AM
Jul 2012

I'm not so sure that rich guy McCain would be able to spot tax return problems for rich guy rMoney. Those guys probably have the same bunch of tax specialists preparing their taxes, probably take the same deductions, probably park their money in the same shelters.

Besides, the big problems AFAIK, are in the questions relating to the years after McCain saw them:
1. Did he have legal residence to vote in MA for the special election?
2. What about his Bain CEO position during those year's he was theoretically only doing the SLO?
3. Did he profit from the 2009 Swiss tax amnesty?
4. What is his real tax rate?

Spazito

(50,365 posts)
24. Yes, there are a multitude of questions unanswered...
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 12:04 PM
Jul 2012

and as long as Romney refuses to release the returns they will continue to be raised. It's NOT going away, imo.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
25. I remember that as well. Thanks for posting.
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 12:04 PM
Jul 2012

What the is Schmidt up to?

I'd love for Rick Davis to chime in on this.

Spazito

(50,365 posts)
28. In re-reading the article in the OP...
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 12:22 PM
Jul 2012

I am wondering if the author of the piece assumed Schmidt saw them as opposed to Schmidt telling him he saw them. I don't see anything in quotes from Schmidt saying he saw them which leads me to think maybe he didn't tell the author this.

The only quotes from Schmidt in the article don't differ from what he said on O'Donnell's show.

If the author of the article 'inserted' the bit about Schmidt seeing them, hopefully that will be made clear by Schmidt. If Schmidt does nothing about it, well, that speaks volumes as well.

Bucky

(54,027 posts)
26. If nothing's incriminating there, then Romney hides his returns cause he's compulsively secretive
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 12:09 PM
Jul 2012

and a slow decision maker when under pressure. Like I've said before: I doubt there's anything illegal to be revealed in Romney's returns. He's hiding his tax statements because he doesn't think the little people have a right to pry into his more important personal business. He may not be a crook, in the strictly legal sense, but he's simply not qualified to serve as a public man in the 21st century.

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