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MUELLER HAS AN OUTLINE OF PLACES WHERE TRUMP WAS PERSONALLY INVOLVED
Most importantly, consider what those morons laid out: they want to claim that these emails from the transition period emails they insist were not government emails are protected by Executive Privilege.
The legal claim is ridiculous; as I and far smarter people have noted, you dont get Executive Privilege until you become the actual Executive on inauguration day.
But that they made the claim is telling (and really fucking stupid).
Because that tells us which emails Trump officials believe involve communications directly with Trump. The KT McFarland email, which we know was written from Mar-a-Lago, is a case in point. Did they withhold that because they believe it reflects a conversation with Trump? If so, then we know that Trump was personally involved in the orders to Mike Flynn to ask the Russians to hold off on retaliating for Obamas sanctions. It might even mean that the language attributed to McFarland about Russia being the key that unlocks doors, efforts to discredit[] Trumps victory by saying it was due to Russian interference, thrown elections, and Obama boxing Trump in is actually Trumps own language. Indeed, it does sound like stuff he says all the time.
And given that the emails include speculation about vulnerabilities of Trump nominees, strategizing about press statements, and policy planning on everything from war to taxes, it might even reflect Trumps own explanations of why for example he couldnt nominate Flynn to be CIA Director because of his ties to Russia and Turkey.
In the wake of his plea agreement, Flynns surrogate made it clear that Trump ordered him to carry out certain actions, especially with Russia. Thats likely a big reason why, in the wake of the Flynn plea, Trumps people are now squawking that Mueller obtained these emails, emails that may lay out those orders.
Heck. These emails might even reflect Trump ordering Flynn to lie about his outreach to Russia.
Maybe thats why Trumps aides have promised to demand Mueller return the emails in question.
All of which is to say, there are things about these emails that explain why this attack is coming now, beyond just a generalized effort to discredit Mueller. The attack is designed to discredit specific avenues of investigation Mueller clearly has in hand. And those avenues reveal far more about the seriousness of the investigation than anything Ty Cobb is willing to claim to appease the President.
That said, the attack is probably too little, too late.
TONS MORE incl:
1) Trump's team may face obstruction charges for withholding material emails
2) Mueller has far more damning information on Jared than Trump's folks expected
https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/12/18/why-republicans-launched-the-gsa-email-attack-now/
rainin
(3,011 posts)Once you have them, you can delete them, I suppose. But, "return" them? Does the Trump team not have access to them so they need Mueller to sent them copies? What are they even saying when they ask to "return" them? Odd.
Wounded Bear
(58,737 posts)CrispyQ
(36,539 posts)PatSeg
(47,649 posts)Brilliant idea!
rainin
(3,011 posts)I like the idea of Trump squirming over what's in them. Delicious!
LiberalFighter
(51,170 posts)cab67
(3,010 posts)Mueller's team was able to access computers, laptops, etc.
haele
(12,682 posts)The archive for the GSA accounts isn't on someone's personal laptop, pda, or computer - it's at the GSA.
And they don't even need a warrant for any particular .pst folder in the government archives.
Haele
Johnny2X2X
(19,192 posts)This Administration was clueless during the transition and did nothing to cover their tracks. Mueller has all of it and has been building the strongest cases possible.
I think even those on this board will be shocked when everything comes out.
FakeNoose
(32,820 posts)The "Trump transition team" made no effort to cover their tracks during the campaign either. Why should they start after Trump was elected? What a bunch of idiots they are - truly! We need to see these emails and we need to know the complete truth. Mueller will make sure we get it.
Johnny2X2X
(19,192 posts)I think they thought that if Trump as President he could just pardon everyone around him or stop investigations. Then when they realized they couldn't, they have been stalling.
Mueller has them trapped.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,126 posts)They know he is guilty of what they themselves would call TREASON if any democrat did it.
If any democrat did this there would be teams of deplorables, 20-30 on each teamn, thousands of them, deployed to hunt down and END any democrat who did this.
Said democrat could hide in a cave on Mars and not be safe., but if a republican does it, they dont even notice.
i mean Ok I am partially exaggerating but can you IMAGINE
FakeNoose
(32,820 posts)I think a lot of the Trump voters are (or were) willfully blind. Once they see stuff maybe it's going to change people's minds.
The Russian bots have been going crazy with right-wing nutcase tweets lately - for the last two weeks. People don't realize it's the Russians that are doing a lot of this, and therefore they're fooled into thinking it's all Americans who are doing it. We have to find a way to convince people to not be fooled by this shit.
FakeNoose
(32,820 posts)link: https://crooked.com/article/trump-transition-officials-waived-privacy-rights-per-government-memo/
It's all right there, they signed the memo waiving privacy rights. This is a standard memo that (I'm sure) everyone has to sign before they get assigned a Government email account. It's just standard stuff, and I'll bet they all forgot they signed it.
The linked story explains how journalist Brian Beutler came across it when researching a different story. There's no executive privilege here, not even "fake" executive privilege.
bathroommonkey76
(3,827 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)the name is familiar
emulatorloo
(44,206 posts)Was linked to a lot on DU
Her current blog is here:
https://www.emptywheel.net/author/emptywheel/
Bio:
Marcy Wheeler is an independent journalist writing about national security and civil liberties. She writes as emptywheel at her eponymous blog, publishes at outlets including Vice, Motherboard, the Nation, the Atlantic, Al Jazeera, and appears frequently on television and radio. She is the author of Anatomy of Deceit, a primer on the CIA leak investigation, and liveblogged the Scooter Libby trial.
Marcy has a PhD from the University of Michigan, where she researched the feuilleton, a short conversational newspaper form that has proven important in times of heightened censorship. Before and after her time in academics, Marcy provided documentation consulting for corporations in the auto, tech, and energy industries. She lives with her spouse in Grand Rapids, MI.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,908 posts)Is this someone inside the Mueller team? If not, how exactly does this person know this stuff?
Me.
(35,454 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,908 posts)Which means the source doesn't actually know anything.
Me.
(35,454 posts)I refer You To an OP by H20 Man
It is possible even likely that there may be some fascinating leaks from members of the intelligence community in the upcoming weeks. There is a system that was set up for this long ago, as everyone who has paid attention since the early 1970s knows. And this system is capable of putting groups and individuals outside of the White House in check.
And so now we come to those who started or spread rumors about a new indictment. The majority are probably good people, who sincerely want to see the Trump administration removed from power, and incarcerated. Younger people in particular might be prone to wanting things wrapped up immediately (compared to older folks who remember Watergate and Iran-contra).
Still others might be internet journalists who got ahead of themselves with their predictions. They know that there is a storm brewing, and can be forgiven for thinking that today would bring fireworks. But keep in mind that none of the corporate journalists had predicted anything for today.
Finally, be aware that there are rat-fuckers, intent upon creating confusion and worse. This includes those who purposely spread false rumors on the internet, because they know it can be like a penal institution, where any rumor twice repeated is accepted as fact. Their purpose can include getting good people's hopes up, thus causing disappointment with Mr. Mueller when the anticipated indictment fails to be filed.
ttps://www.democraticunderground.com/10029989346
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,908 posts)says it all.
The speculation is that there may be leaks in the future.
We have been reading on a many times daily basis that either Mueller is going to be fired or that everyone in the Trump administration is going to jail. So far, none of those things have happened.
Most of the "internet journalists" aren't journalists at all, just someone with a computer and an internet connection who likes to throw shit out there.
I'm tempted to alert on every single OP that is this sort of pure speculation, but I won't. Mainly because I am not the kind to alert on anything. No matter how dumb I think it is.
Me.
(35,454 posts)They're clinging to hope and that is all they have at the moment. The ratfers, as H20 calls them, are pretty easy to spot...if you do ....ley your finger do the walker, even if you aren't the type.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)her own expertise to make educated supposition as to what might be transpiring based upon available facts. She doesn't claim to know anything beyond what has been made public. She's simply drawing conclusions and attempting to explain her assumptions to those who may not have her unique point of view.
I have no idea how valid her viewpoint is, but she does readily issue corrections when additional information becomes available or errors are pointed out to her.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)1) Mueller gets ALL the emails from GSA.
2) Mueller get partial set from transition team.
3) Mueller conducts interviews with many members of team.
4) Team cross-checks questions Mueller's inquiry asked them and realizes he has all the emails.
5) They leak that and claim "executive privilege". There is only one person they could apply it to: Trump.
6) That means that those are the incriminating emails tRump read or wrote.
7) That is how Mueller knows what Trump knew and when he knew it.
It's logical inference and from publicly available info. But it took a smarter man than me to put it together and write the article. Logical inference you can follow too like I did above.
emulatorloo
(44,206 posts)I linked to her blog and bio above. I assume the post is speculative.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)They'll get to spend 5 years in the New Trump Tower
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burnbaby
(685 posts)who is emptywheel?
emulatorloo
(44,206 posts)tazkcmo
(7,303 posts)We sure would like to see those emails!
matt819
(10,749 posts)Gigantic, humongous cork board filled with pictures and emails and newspaper articles and subpoenas, all connected by miles and miles of red thread.