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CousinIT

(9,262 posts)
Mon Dec 18, 2017, 05:52 PM Dec 2017

Why the Trump Era Wont Pass Without Serious Damage to America

http://billmoyers.com/story/what-happened-america/

Sad to say, this will be my last column for billmoyers.com, where I have written for the past two years. In recent months, in the process of trying to understand for myself the cataclysm of Nov. 8, 2016, I have tried to examine a number of forces — demographic, economic, cultural, media — that may help explain it. I am certain that the question of “what happened” will plague us for decades and that Nov. 8, 2016, will join April 12, 1861; Oct. 28, 1929; Dec. 7, 1941; Nov. 22, 1963 and Sept. 11, 2001 as one of the most calamitous and tragic dates in our history.

Historians may determine that it was the date America’s second civil war began. By that perspective, just as the first Civil War was the last gasp of slavery, this second is very likely the last gasp of aging white Americans — their full-throated death rattle against an America that they detest for having changed so dramatically the traditions and power structures by which those whites had lived. Regressions are often like that. They are an angry attempt to prevent a threatening future from arriving. Republicans had long preyed upon these discontents, but did so tepidly — a wink-and-nod approach. Trump voiced them and validated them, making racism, nativism and sexism acceptable. It will be his primary legacy.

But I think the real lesson of 2016 lies not in politics, but in religion. We hear a great deal about tribalism as an explanation for the Trump phenomenon. We hear about how Americans have divided themselves into parochial groups that reinforce shared values and interests as well as grievances and hatreds. But if tribalism answers one question — why people seem to hold so firmly to their beliefs in the face of contradictory evidence and even moral opprobrium — it doesn’t answer another, more important question: Why did they join these tribes in the first place?

True religion, I believe, begins in doubt and continues in spiritual exploration. Debased religion begins in fear and terminates in certainty.

I believe religion rather than politics may provide that answer. One of the most important shifts in our culture has been the transformation of politics into a kind of civic religion. Religion has always provided a sense of identity — hence the tribalism — but it provided something else, too; something even more fundamental. In what historian Karen Armstrong describes as the Axial Age, from which modern religions grew, it pointed the way to a meaningful life with spiritual values. That was for nurturing the soul. And it provided a cosmology, a systematic way of thinking about and explaining the world and our place in it. That was for the mind.
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Why the Trump Era Wont Pass Without Serious Damage to America (Original Post) CousinIT Dec 2017 OP
... handmade34 Dec 2017 #1
..... hedda_foil Dec 2017 #2
This POS tax scam is going to split the country irreparably. roamer65 Dec 2017 #3
That's a very good read. Garrett78 Dec 2017 #4
I disagree with this part.. Kentonio Dec 2017 #5
The problem is that people get their religion FROM their politics, not the other way around. HughBeaumont Dec 2017 #6
Beyond the Listening and Talking to True Believers . . . peggysue2 Dec 2017 #7

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
3. This POS tax scam is going to split the country irreparably.
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 12:55 AM
Dec 2017

The furor in CA, NY and New England is going to become palpable.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
4. That's a very good read.
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 02:48 AM
Dec 2017

One thing Gabler didn't mention are all of the lifetime appointment judges that Trump has been and will continue to install. Impeachment and the 2018 election can't come soon enough.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
5. I disagree with this part..
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 06:07 AM
Dec 2017
I am not at all opposed to listening to Trump supporters. Quite the opposite. It is an imperative that they be heard and understood. I just don’t think there is much common cause between progressives and them. They are not all racists, nativists, sexists, homophobes and Islamophobes, but a healthy percentage are, and I think it’s probably a fool’s mission to attempt to change their minds. Just watch the people at Trump’s rallies. That is what makes the future so perilous. They are not going to convert.


Firstly just because we probably can't change many of their minds, doesn't mean its not worth going after the ones we can. Even more important than winning votes, every mind changed is an American not sucked into the viciousness and bile of the right. We have to win those battles or else we end up with a country riven down the middle. Secondly, even though we can't win over a lot of them, we have to be listening and open to discussion anyewhere we can get it. Sometimes we need to go bareknuckle and fight fire with fire, but unless we find a route that allows us to find some common ground then we're going to win nothing but a hate filled wasteland anyway.

The more people we win over in the areas where the Trump supporters are dominant, the more family and friends of those people will be helping turn the deplorables back towards a more reasonable path. They won't listen to us 'librals' but if their waves and sons and coworkers who used to be Trump supporters turn away from him, those are voices that might have an influencing effect.

It's a painful and long process, but we don't really have a choice if we want a single country and not two opposing ones.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
6. The problem is that people get their religion FROM their politics, not the other way around.
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 10:08 AM
Dec 2017

Think about it - if the reverse were true and we followed a prophet who eschewed the wealthy and the commercial for the well being of "the least of us", wouldn't that be ideal?

peggysue2

(10,843 posts)
7. Beyond the Listening and Talking to True Believers . . .
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:51 AM
Dec 2017

there's something to be said about allowing them to simply witness the Trumpster implosion, realizing on their own how they were scammed by the populist message of plentiful jobs, the glorious wall and prosperity for all, the whole America First schtick in a Globalized World which like their toothpaste can not and will not be squeezed back into the tube. We can argue and cajole until we're literally worn out about globalization, its fault lines and peril vs the advantages and future paybacks..

But the fact remains, it is here and it ain't going anywhere. To pretend otherwise is to offer up a plate of delusion and eventual bitter disappointment.

The sorry song about bringing coal back, for instance. Sure, a few coal mines may open but nowhere near the number or size during the glory days of King Coal. It's not because the world hates coalminers. It's because the world has moved on to other forms of energy--natural gas and renewables--more efficient sources that are cleaner and in the long-term cheaper in health and environmental risks. These sources will be replaced with newer, better and more advanced technologies. And the beat goes on. Because the world will go forward, regardless of how many people drag their feet.

Where we've failed miserably IMHO, is giving those on the margins an opportunity to retool and retrain for the future, basically investing in our own people on the ground--their welfare, their lives, their future and those of their children. Republicans would have us believe that this is all about the magic of the free market.

It's not.

The free market is all about survival of the fittest, dog eat dog, the guy with the most stuff wins. As for those who don't win? Well, Senator Grassley stated it in clear, unequivocal terms: the losers are the people who spend all their money on booze, women and movies.

Really, Senator?

We need to bring all our people along by painting a better picture, offering up qualified candidates that can speak from the mind and the heart, inspiring Americans to be the best version of ourselves. Personally, I think that means getting back to first principles, insisting that American values of openness, fairness and equal treatment under the law are something of value, not only in this country but around the world.

It's true we often fall short of the mark but that doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to make those markers real. When we read of the future anymore it's usually in dark dystopian narratives. We need to change that storyline and give people hope while providing a helping hand.

This is doable. Even in the Age of Trump. Or maybe more accurately, this is desperately needed because of the Age of Trump.

As for religious division? I've read a number of articles that evangelicals are really questioning themselves after the Moore debacle. How can you call yourself a Christian, insist Jesus is the only way, and then support a candidate who stands for everything Jesus was not? Pride, prejudice and tribal patriotism. A pedophile, too.

It's a small thing but I think it's a good sign.

I agree with Moyers & Armstrong, btw: a healthy, continuously searching religious/spiritual outlook can absolutely enhance one's life. It's the fire and brimstone, fear-inducing religions that become toxic, poisoning minds and hearts until the true believers become what they fear the most: haters.

Anyway, important topic, CousinIC. Thanks for the excerpt.



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