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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Mon Dec 18, 2017, 08:34 PM Dec 2017

The Amtrak derailment makes the case for nationalizing all U.S. rail tracks

It strongly appears that track maintenance was neglected in order to preserve short-term high rate of return on investment for the shareholders of the companies that own the track.

People died to preserve artificially high profits.

The next Democratic president will need to act aggressively to prevent a recurrence of this incident...and we can't be certain to avoid such a recurrence as long as the tracks remain in the hands of people who don't have to give a damn if they're safe or not.

Leaving this to "the magic of the market" will lead to this happening over, and over, and over again.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,732 posts)
1. Let's wait for the NTSB's final report and not jump to conclusions.
Mon Dec 18, 2017, 08:37 PM
Dec 2017

We don't know the cause yet. It could be poor track maintenance or it could be something else, like excessive speed in a turn.

Kaleva

(36,307 posts)
3. As a matter of policy, national railroad tracks ought to be nationalized.
Mon Dec 18, 2017, 08:41 PM
Dec 2017

The federal government has the resources to maintain and upgrade the lines.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
2. The track in question is owned by Sound Transit
Mon Dec 18, 2017, 08:40 PM
Dec 2017

Last edited Mon Dec 18, 2017, 11:12 PM - Edit history (1)

(Edited with information from WSDOT statement indicating the tracks are actually owned by Sound Trnasit):


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FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
11. Sound Transit owns the tracks and it is a public transit agency.
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:43 AM
Dec 2017

Sound Transit was created in 1993 by King, Pierce and Snohomish counties to build a regional rapid transit system.

...

Sound Transit is independent of local transit agencies and is governed by a 18-member Board of Directors made up of elected officials from member jurisdictions and the Secretary of Transportation. It is funded by local sales taxes, property taxes, and motor vehicle excise taxes, levied within its taxing district in portions of King, Pierce and Snohomish counties. The agency has passed three major ballot measures to fund system expansion, including Sound Move (1996), Sound Transit 2 (2008) and Sound Transit 3 (2016). Planning and construction of new light rail lines is anticipated to continue until 2041 under the Sound Transit 3 plan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Transit

Yet, being managed by elected politicians, they did not implement Positive Train Control on their brand new tracks.

GP6971

(31,165 posts)
8. Nope
Mon Dec 18, 2017, 09:01 PM
Dec 2017

It was all brand new track bed and track. I've been watching it for the last 2 years. It was a 181 mil $$ project.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
17. Same approach to the bridge, crossing the interstate.
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 04:04 PM
Dec 2017

No where if it was that modern would they make a curve and the bridge crossing 80mph. They would have changed it or realigned it.

brooklynite

(94,591 posts)
9. Unless you know something I dont...
Mon Dec 18, 2017, 09:09 PM
Dec 2017

...there’s no evidence that this was a maintenance issue. Let’s wait for details.

Ptah

(33,031 posts)
10. How would nationalizing all U.S. rail tracks have prevented this?
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:15 AM
Dec 2017
Amtrak Train Traveled at 80 M.P.H., Far Over Limit, Before Derailing


 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
12. I think rather, this emphasizes the case for waiting until all relevant information is available
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:44 AM
Dec 2017

I think rather, this emphasizes the case for waiting until all relevant information is available prior to coming to a policy decision.

Unless of course (as it strongly appears), the power of prophecy is yours to command, and your reading of the entrails is done with the accompanying scent of burning incense.

Leaving this to the magic of your bias will lead to knee-jerk reactions happening over, and over, and over again....

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
14. That section of track was brand new.
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:48 AM
Dec 2017

The entire route had been updated. The problem appears to have been excessive speed where there is a curve in the route.

Nationally owned railroad routes would almost certainly guarantee poor maintenance, if our roadways are any evidence.

I think that you should, perhaps, learn more about this accident. You're way off-base on this one.

inwiththenew

(972 posts)
15. Does it make much difference when the engineer was doing almost 3x the speed limit?
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:54 AM
Dec 2017

At first glance this appears to be completely on the person operating this train.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
16. LOL: Future nomimee for the 2017 Rush to Judgement Award!
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:58 AM
Dec 2017

Congrats Ken!

They neglected maintenance on the first run of a brand track! For profits!

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