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Judi Lynn

(160,621 posts)
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 06:55 PM Feb 2015

Mexico deports record numbers of women and children in US-driven effort

Source: Guardian

Mexico deports record numbers of women and children in US-driven effort

Tens of thousands fleeing violence and poverty deported to Central America after pressure from the US to prevent migrants reaching American border

Nina Lakhani in Mexico City
Wednesday 4 February 2015 07.00 EST

Record numbers of women and children fleeing violence and poverty in Central America were deported by Mexican authorities last year, as part of US-driven operations to stem the flow of migrants reaching the American border.

More than 24,000 women were deported from Mexico in 2014 – double the number sent home in 2013. The upsurge in child detentions was even sharper – climbing 230% to just over 23,000, Mexican interior ministry figures reveal.

Many were captured during security operations targeting train and bus routes commonly used by Central American migrants as part of a new strategy called new Southern Border Plan (Plan Frontera Sur). The plan was launched last summer after Barack Obama declared the unprecedented numbers of unaccompanied children and families seeking refuge at the US border an “urgent humanitarian situation”.

It helped prevent a staggering 9,661 Honduran and 7,973 Guatemalan children from reaching the US – more than double compared with 2013. Almost 11,000 unaccompanied children, including 1,853 aged 11 or younger, were also apprehended by Mexican authorities.

Mexican officials say the new crackdown is designed to retake control of the historically porous southern frontier and protect migrants from transnational crime groups. But the measures have been widely attributed to pressure from the Americans, who do not want a repeat of last year’s crisis which clogged up the immigration courts and saw tens of thousands women and children crammed into detention centres at the border.







Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/04/mexico-deports-record-numbers-women-children-central-america

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Mexico deports record numbers of women and children in US-driven effort (Original Post) Judi Lynn Feb 2015 OP
Good perdita9 Feb 2015 #1
So Mexicans should serve "us" for what US citizens' tax-dollars the gov't gives them? Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #3
For what I pay to the military industrial complex... perdita9 Feb 2015 #5
Come on judy Jesus Malverde Feb 2015 #7
To be fair, the federal government christx30 Feb 2015 #17
They're fleeing horrible conditions and we're turning them away? mountain grammy Feb 2015 #2
Uncontrolled immigration is an extremely bad thing. ManiacJoe Feb 2015 #9
Why? treestar Feb 2015 #10
No it did not. ManiacJoe Feb 2015 #11
No it doesn't treestar Feb 2015 #13
You are now agreeing with me. ManiacJoe Feb 2015 #14
Immigrants do not bring their country's problems with them to the US treestar Feb 2015 #16
Watch this Nat'l Geographic video about MS13 gang and see if you still think the same way. candelista Feb 2015 #20
Objective sources to support your allegation? LanternWaste Feb 2015 #19
I don't think this is "uncontrolled immigration" mountain grammy Feb 2015 #12
Not as bad as what these refugees are fleeing from. LanternWaste Feb 2015 #18
Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free project_bluebook Feb 2015 #4
Sure as hell has. lonestarnot Feb 2015 #8
Mexico has for a long time... Jesus Malverde Feb 2015 #6
Hear, hear!!! Beacool Feb 2015 #15

perdita9

(1,144 posts)
1. Good
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 07:32 PM
Feb 2015

For what we give Mexico in aid money every year, they should be protecting us from the migrant crush

Judi Lynn

(160,621 posts)
3. So Mexicans should serve "us" for what US citizens' tax-dollars the gov't gives them?
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 07:45 PM
Feb 2015

Why not break down and spend some valuable time and energy trying to learn what is is the Central American people are fleeing, and how those conditions were created, as a Democrat would?

perdita9

(1,144 posts)
5. For what I pay to the military industrial complex...
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 08:17 PM
Feb 2015

...I expect this country to be protected from an invasion. America is a sovereign nation and has every right to control her own borders.

BTW, I support giving aid to these countries and helping them stamp out the widespread corruption fueling this problem.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
7. Come on judy
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 08:35 PM
Feb 2015

You know enough to know they are fleeing poverty caused by the oligarchs which we support. Had they not had a place to go, the revolutions in central America would be festering as millions of unemployed men looked for justice in their own homelands. Half of El Salvador now lives in the LA area which has kept the chance of economic justice in that country at zero.

Illegal immigration serves the oligarchs in their countries and ours. It's a way of managing surplus populations. These are rich countries, the wealth is just not shared. Ironic one of the richest men in the world is Carlos Slim from Mexico.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
17. To be fair, the federal government
Fri Feb 6, 2015, 05:08 PM
Feb 2015

does use money as leverage to get states to do certain things. So why not foreign countries and aid?
"Pakistan, help us fight the Taliban or we'll put your $2 billion per year aid package up for immediate review."
Then the countries can decide if the money is worth it.

mountain grammy

(26,648 posts)
2. They're fleeing horrible conditions and we're turning them away?
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 07:41 PM
Feb 2015

These are our neighbors. We should be accepting them as refugees.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
11. No it did not.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 09:31 PM
Feb 2015

For centuries immigration was naturally controlled by the natural difficulties of long-distance travel.

When immigration is uncontrolled, the destination succumbs to the problems that the source suffers.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
14. You are now agreeing with me.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:35 PM
Feb 2015

As long as the immigration to this country remains controlled, the problems at the other places will stay at the other places.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
16. Immigrants do not bring their country's problems with them to the US
Fri Feb 6, 2015, 11:11 AM
Feb 2015

They come to the US to get away from them, and they do.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
19. Objective sources to support your allegation?
Fri Feb 6, 2015, 05:20 PM
Feb 2015

"when immigration is uncontrolled, the destination succumbs to the problems that the source suffers"

Objective sources to support your allegation? Because acculturation is a process that's been happening since before recorded history, and your conclusion that the source suffers seems to deny that the source, as well as the destination, both gain concomitant social advantages (as per Boston's Immigrants, 1790-1880: A Study in Acculturation, by Oscar Handlin)

mountain grammy

(26,648 posts)
12. I don't think this is "uncontrolled immigration"
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 09:39 PM
Feb 2015

these are refugees and should be treated with that status. I'm not comfortable with America pressuring Mexico to do this.
America has been behind so much of the misery of Central America. We owe them refuge.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
18. Not as bad as what these refugees are fleeing from.
Fri Feb 6, 2015, 05:15 PM
Feb 2015

Not as bad as what these refugees are fleeing from.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
6. Mexico has for a long time...
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 08:26 PM
Feb 2015

Has had a zero tolerance policy for those that enter the country illegally. That includes people of all nationalities. They have many worker protections inconceivable in the United States. For example it is extremely hard to fire a worker after they have been hired.

The illegal immigrants most often contract with one of the subsidiaries of the drug cartels like the murderous zetas or the gulf cartel who pay off the right people to allow them safe passage. It costs 3 to 5 thousand dollars.

It's organized crime that brings in billions and puts the most vulnerable into the hands of remorseless killers/smugglers. The killings of some 86 migrants by the zetas was done to deny the gulf cartel of revenue and as a means of recruiting hit men. For all the romance portrayed in the United states it can be a murderous business.

Mexicans who can travel freely within Mexico have better luck as they can make it to the border and try their chances alone.

The experience of this Australian who entered mexico without a proper visa is not unique.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/aussie-woman-trapped-in-mexican-hell-released/story-fnizu68q-1227102579382

Beacool

(30,251 posts)
15. Hear, hear!!!
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 04:16 PM
Feb 2015

Mexico treats their illegal immigrants worse than the US, for all their protestations. I am fluent in Spanish and I have read about this problem and even watched a documentary on this subject. I feel that the Mexican government has been hypocritical in their denunciation of US immigration policies when theirs are far worse. People who enter Mexico illegally suffer at the hands of the authorities as much as they do as the hand of criminals who find them to be easy prey.

"November 26, 2014 - This is the story of the murder of two aid workers in Mexico. The men fed Central American migrants traveling north through Mexico on a freight train that stopped near their home. They were critical of both corrupt police, who abused and extorted the migrants, as well as the organized crime gangs that kidnapped and robbed them.

It wasn't hard to find the two men — they were never far from the train tracks — but there were no witnesses to their deaths, and police won't comment about the case. The double homicide didn't even get a mention in the local press. Imet the men on several occasions this summer while reporting on the surge of Central Americans, especially unaccompanied minors, who were making the long journey to the United States."

http://www.migrante.com.mx/Estadisticas.htm


This document is in Spanish, but it's an interesting read.

http://catarina.udlap.mx/u_dl_a/tales/documentos/lri/cordoba_l_jr/capitulo2.pdf


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