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...since they've never known it before. But they're about to.

Ready yourselves......

...what is it exactly that you think Podesta could have done about poverty, hunger, or homelessness?

That made me laugh ... and caused me to spill my coffee and startle my dog. Curses!

I won't say that there are advanced aliens visiting us. There is no evidence for that.

Are there other intelligent life forms out in this huge universe? I think so.

It seems that none of us have conquered the problem of traveling the vast distances of space.

If there is an alien society that is thousands of years ahead of us in technology and can traverse the vast distances of space I doubt they'd find us interesting.

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limited length of time that most species are around for but when you consider size of the whole universe itself and the hundreds of billions of other galaxies that I believe its more likely than not that here are some other intelligent species we probably will just never know about them nor will they know about us.

Since there are untold number of galaxies in the universe, wouldn't there be an even better chance that there is intelligent life somewhere else in the universe?

mainlined lol

I was really into aliens and stuff when I was a kid, and then I found Cosmos on the bookshelf and he ruined aliens for me forever

Face it, we're just monkeys with a slightly larger brain. A few humans are quite clever; most would still be in the stone age if left to their own devices. We still have a lot of evolving to do if we can manage to avoid destroying our planet.

Of course that's just my opinion.

point where we are because of a few intelligent and dedicated individuals dragging the whole herd along. When one looks out across humanity, it becomes very clear there is not a whole lot of intelligence going on ...

that it is unlikely we'd ever get to one if we thought we saw one.

I don't doubt life is out there, but how long does it take us to get to the nearest star system? Something like 50,000 years at our current top speed. If we got there and came back it would be a Planet of the Apes scenario. There's no telling what they'd find when they came back. And to what purpose?

With more known exo-planets than people on earth I think the odds are very good.

Like we find any other species interesting.

Why wouldn't advanced alien life find us interesting?

Statistic is a SCIENCE. It is based on FACTS. Thus you have a one in six chance of rolling a six when you roll a die. You have one in 36 chances if two die (dice) is involved of rolling double sixes. This can be shown by rolling those dice and seeing how often double sixes show up. After SEVERAL throws it will be one out of 36 throws, some times more or less given a smaller set of rolls, but over all one in 36.

We have ONE example of LIFE in the known universe, just one. It may be a one in a thousand chance, it may be one in a million, one in a trillion or even higher. We do NOT know for we only have ONE DATA POINT. i.e. the earth. There has been some indications of life on Mars, but just that indications not actual evidence of life. Some people have taken that as "Proof" of life on mars, but it is not proof. We have asteroids from Mars (Determined by the makeup of the asteroids) that landed in Antarctica that again shows INDICATION of life on mars, but no actual proof.

Thus the only data point we have is one. Which is like rolling the die once and it came up six and then making a finding that "Statistically" a die will always come up with a six. That is NOT Statiscally true, it is an abuse of the term Statistically and that is why I am writing this objection to its use.

Is there life outside the earth? Might be, might not be, but since we only have ONE DATA POINT, we do NOT have enough data to make a STATISTICAL calculation that life exists or does NOT exist outside the earth. Thus to say "Statistically" there must be life outside the earth is FALSE, not that such life does or does not exist, but that we can NOT make that determination given the data points we have at the present time. i.e. Statistics can NOT prove or disprove the existence of life outside the earth given the data points we have at the present time.

Let me double down. There are billions of planets in our galaxy and billions of galaxies in the universe. We only have one data point at this time because we're too primitive to find other life at this point in our history.

If I were a betting man I'd certainly take the odds that there is life out there some where other than just here on earth. That would be statistically prudent. The odds of other life out there outweighing the probability that there is not life are really undeniable.

We know there are many, many planets like earth out there in this galaxy; not to mention in the other billions of galaxies.

So I think we do have enough data to say, statistically, there is likely other life in this galaxy and in this universe. I don't know if that life is just bacteria or it is developed, intelligent life forms.

Your argument that I have only one data point is rather fallacious. Math and statistics are not wholly founded upon observable elements though they have a good foundation in the here and now. They tend to actually model what is and what could be. Yes, data is a good thing. However, it should not get in the way of theoretical endeavors. Such luminaries as Copernicus, Galileo, and Michael Angelo had theories that were inconceivable at the time of their lives. But are now realities.

So feel safe in your hubris and roll your dice. Others of us will not be limited to the one in six chances.

Notice the plural term "Data" is used, which means more then one piece of "Datum" (A is the latin plural form for latin nouns ending in UM).

You may be right that they is life outside the earth, but Statistics is the Study of DATA, and right now we have only one piece of Datum. Thus life could be one is a Trillion, or one in a Trillion, Trillion or one is 10. We do NOT have enough Data to make such a calculation. That is my point, statistics can NOT determine if life exists or does NOT exist outside the earth. You may be RIGHT that life exists outside the earth, but that is a guess NOT something derived from Statistics.

Now, once life is found outside the earth, then we would have more data points and then we could use Statistics to determine how much life does in the exist in the universe, but until those other data points are found we do NOT have the data to make such a STATISTICAL calculation.
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Now the Hubble Telescope is giving us Data on Earth like planets, through we do not have enough data points to determine how many exists, they do exists. As we find more, we get a larger data base to build on which then can be used to calculate where other earthlike planets are. The earlier findings of Gas Planets like Jupiter and Saturn, helped us build data that was later used to look for earth like planets. Thus the Earth like Planets may permit us to some day determine if there is any life on them. If life is found, then we have a larger data base that can be used to look for and calculate where life may be on such planets.

The problem is we are no where NEAR that stage in data collection, thus only one piece of Datum and that is NOT enough to make ANY claims on Statistical reasons to support or oppose life on other planets. Life may or may not exist outside the earth, that is NOT the issue I am addressing, I am addressing your claim the Statiscally it is impossible NOT to have life outside the Earth. All I am saying giving the data we have at present, we can NOT make such a Statistical claim.

You have fallen into an inductive error. There may be billions upon billions of potential planets, an incredibly huge number. But, since we only know of one instance of life, it is quite possible that the likelihood of life evolving anywhere is almost zero, an infinitesimal number.

Say there are 10 to the 14th planets (just a big number). If the probability of life emerging on a planet is 10 to the minus 28th (just a small number), the chances of any other life but us existing is virtually zero. As a matter of fact in that case even we are a statistical anomaly.

We have some idea of the first number. We have NO idea on the second number except that it is probably very small. Just how small is the issue. And without any real data, inducing that life exists elsewhere based simply on the large first number is not science, it is wishful thinking.

It is not hard to imagine a scientific basis where the development of sustainable life is virtually impossible. In that case, Earth just happened to be the lone outlier.

As for Copernicus and Galileo, they had copious datum with which they developed their ideas. Those who opposed them ignored the data that existed.

Why? Couldn't he find a jounalist? Or a decent human being?

What an idiot.

It's so unlikely, but, man, it is so interesting that many intelligent people, from astronauts on down, claim there is substance to the phenomena.

This topic is right up there with my secret shame of enjoying Abba music.

(I like Abba too)

Jus' sayin .... in our society, who would fess up to something like this and truly expect to continue a high profile/gov't career?

I believe he's already got hooks in the Hillary campaign.

Time to blow the cover off this secrecy. If those sneaky aliens are doing cattle experiments on us, we should know.

We need more information. For starters I'd install dashcams in all commercial airlines to see what's really up there.

I was born and grew up on Air Force bases (1960-1975), my dad was a fighter pilot. While that sure does not make me an aviation expert, spending the first 15 years of my life living at an airport did make me familiar with what an airplane looks like in the sky both night and day.

Seeing something is one thing but talking about it is another. You want to be mocked or marginalized? I've learned my lesson. (Psst: I saw something in the night sky of Arizona back in 1986 that blew my mind and changed my world view.)

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(I was going to say "Fantastic Post!", but realized that you might think I was being double-entendred facetious.)

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"Look, I have a pension to worry about. I have a family to take care of, and they told me to just back away from this entirely or else."

Sums up how the secret government maintains its, eh, operations.

.......his career is over. The pilots and military people who contributed to Leslie Kean's book are retired.

Excellent!

reality it's a serious topic. We send probes out to explore, it would be naive to think more advanced civilizations do not do the same. The universe is vast, others would likely have extremely far advanced methodologies for interstellar travel/investigation.

Some of those quotes appear to be taken out of context, others lack attribution or are speculative, and the one quote I spot-checked (Cady Coleman) was clearly made in jest...

You have not looked into FOIA memos that have been released through 60 years of research.

but you do like throwing the baby out with the bathwater without any research

Read Richard Dolan's research into the national archives.

and you don't even know my personal stance on the topic, so stop assuming that you do...

I'm just saying more than a couple of the "proof" quotes on that graphic are suspect...

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He would ace the test.

Like Podesta and the curious DUers on this thread, I find UFOs a remarkable subject that is worthy of study. Older DUers who read newspapers in the 1960s might remember Dr. J. Allen Hynek, the astronomer hired by the Air Force on Project Blue Book. Dr. Hynek found the Radar-Visual cases demonstrated the phenomenon represents something real and not imagined.

As for those who like to denigrate people for wanting to know about UFOs: Why? Are you afraid of learning something that doesn't fit into your personal paradigm? I find revealing your attempts to marginalize discussion by framing those interested as "crazy CT" is what the CIA was saying about people interested in this and other subjects concerning national security in the 1960s.

in the sky several times. Definitely UFO's, but from where? ETs or perhaps secret government projects or even visitors from the future. It's hard to say. Once you've seen something yourself that can't be explained with our present knowledge, you know it's a real phenomenon. Who cares whether someone else believes you or laughs? You know what you've seen. And no, nothing I've seen could possibly be mistaken for Venus or an airplane. Whatever they are, they are here and they are real..

We have UFO reports going back centuries, if not millennia, many -- in not most -- were incredible things witnessed by credible people. Dr. Hynek's associate, Jacques Vallee, explains:

Dr. Vallee was first to use computerize UFO reports, helping people find patterns in the global and historic data. For instance, UFOs reported in China, Africa, Asia, and the Americas from up close often are estimated to be about 30-feet across. They often give off so much light that they represent an incredible amount of energy.

The reports over the years also represent many possibilities: UFOs may be terrestrial in origin, may be from outer space, may be from another dimension, it may represent another reality.

Dr. Vallee wrote that he believes the phenomena is more complicated than "simple" extraterrestrials. Based on eyewitness reports -- where objects transform themselves, accelerate at absurd speeds, shrink to points and blink out, vanish as if stepping behind another object into another dimension -- he believes they may represent another aspect of reality, another part of the cosmos that we have yet to discover. He likened to the phenomenon to a "control system" that helps shape human history on a subtle, but long-term basis. He also said if humanity ever does receive Visitors from another planet, we may get the Visitors we deserve.

are a good place to start

UFOs and the National Security State series

http://www.goodreads.com/series/92297-ufos-and-the-national-security-state


Prior to his interest in UFOs, Richard completed his graduate work at the University of Rochester, where he studied U.S. Cold War strategy, European history, and international diplomacy. Before that, he had studied at Alfred University and Oxford University, and had been a finalist for a Rhodes scholarship

Divinity in terms of the divine spark, thus VIPs. Even evolution, like creationism, is dependent on Earth as the creator of us.

I wonder sometimes if we're an alien science experiment by aliens in a petrie dish. Having begun the process, they left for other planets.

Which actually lends to what religions are based upon.

I don't ascribe to the benevolent 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind' alien stuff. From what I've been seeing done to the Earth, more like the aliens in 'Independence Day' but more subtle.

But what do I know?

Not much.

- The time for jokes and bullshit is OVER.




Don't be afraid.........

references, links, and research to back up your innuendos means you are not here for an intelligent discourse

then what is your reason for being here, this thread or anywhere in your life
without a consciousness or quality or state of awareness of questioning on what surrounds you? When you look in the mirror, what do you see?

Do you see the real you, or what you have been conditioned to believe is you?

The two are so, so different.

One is an infinite consciousness capable of being and creating whatever it chooses, the other is an illusion imprisoned by its own perceived and programmed limitations.

Why does anybody do anything? Because they can...

The real question is what does it matter to you? If you want "debate", go find it with one of the other dozens of posters in this thread...

I wish the hell they would finally show themselves, so we could have a decent candidate for president, OR, maybe they already have !

"Five Good reasons To Believe In UFOs"
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/chasing-ufos/articles/five-good-reasons-to-believe-in-ufos/

But according to some reports, a secret branch denied him access.

with connections to the outgoing George Bush

This is from an archive post on the old DU. Of course all the links now are gone

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1956796



Marcia Smith stated that Carter had approached Bush and stated, "I want to have the information that we have on UFOs and extraterrestrial intelligence. I want to know about this as President."

George Bush, according to Smith said, "no...that he wasn’t going to give this to him...that this was information that existed on a need to know basis only. Simple curiosity on the part of the President wasn’t adequate."

It would be naive of us to think any different. Thinking we are alone is akin to believing in a flat earth.
The jury is still out on whether the UFO phenomena is linked to alien intelligence. We need more evidence to make that assertion. However, we had better be careful on what we wish for on alien contact as it may not turn out to be as beneficial to us as we hope. Initial contact with Europeans did not go at all well for Native Americans, for example.

First UFOs have always existed, anything that is flying and is unknown is an Unidentified Flying Object. Lets look at various explanations for UFO sightings:

1. Government Coverup of secret operations. This is a HUGE source of UFOs. In the 1950s, before the Skyhook Balloon program (and its related spy balloon program) was released, those Skyhook balloons were a major source of UFO sightings. I suspect the UFO found in Roswell was a Spy Balloon to fly over the Soviet Union at heights we believed the Soviets radar did not reach. Cyrillic Alphabet could explain on the Balloon was what the one witness call hierographics, for to him that is what it would look like given most Americans do NOT know any alphabet except the Latin Alphabet. The CIA used the Cyrillic Alphabet so if the balloon landed in Russia, the Russian would think it is one of they own balloons. One landed in the US, probably in a test flight, thus the "Roswell incident". The CIA quickly learned that called something a Flying Saucer instead of a Weather Balloon actually worked better as a cover story and subsequent aerial spying, including low level night spying if seen by civilians dismissed as "Flying Saucer" as opposed to something actually real i.e a spy balloon or plane. Just because it happened in the US does NOT mean it is NOT a spy plane. I fully suspect the CIA had tested out spy planes and other devices for spying in the US for decades and many of the reports we have of UPOs are actually someone seeing one of these spy planes/balloons either getting ready to be tested, being tested, or malfunctioning while being tested. My sister once saw a strange looking plane flying at sunset, later found out it was then top secret F-117 Stealth fighter.

2. Natural Phenomena. This is a huge factor in UFO cases. Some of the Natural Phenomena is unknown to Scientists or if known, barley studied for they is no money to investigate such phenomena. Thus you hear reports of Swamp gas, which does form circles and can move in quick movement and then disappear as the gas either burns off OR is dispersed by the wind.

Ball lighting is another often mistaken for UFOs, it is rare, I had one hit my mother's house 20 years ago, the person who saw it reported how it just flowed along till it landed on my mother;s house and cause a fire. These are full of electricity and people's brain being electrical, if hit by ball lighting, it may NOT ignite anything but short circuit everything including your brain, thus a loss or memory and time in the form of being unconscious. Some of the Abduction cases fit ball lighting strikes (other fit Petit Mal Seizures, where someone's brain just locks up until it is rebooted. The lost of time can be "remembered" as a connection of old thoughts that the brain just throws together and then tries to make sense of and being kidnapped by Aliens is within our collective memory now, thus people's brain makes that connection).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprite_(lightning)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absence_seizure

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_gas

Earthquakes Lights. Strange lights can appear before earthquakes. Present theory is that it is the result of intense pressure being built up prior to the earthquake. Indications that some of these lights contain a huge amount of electricity (causing planes that approach some of them to lose electrical power including engine power, that returns once they fly away from the light/object. This implies a huge electrical power, much like lighting and ball lighting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake_light

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/01/140106-earthquake-lights-earthquake-prediction-geology-science/

3. People misidentifying known objects. This was the case in the Southwest a few years ago, where flares dropped by Jet Fighters were ID as UFOs, even disappearing suddenly. In daylight you can see the mountain the flares fell behind when the "Disappeared" the night before. When I watched the film, the people who were making the film say UFOs, but I have fired flares in the Army, and these were clearly flares. The film makers refused to accept that explanation but anyone who have FIRED or DROPPED flares know better.

The following reports TWO set of Lights, the second set are the flares I am discussing, It is the one we have film of. The first report is just a report one bad piece of video and as such can be anything, including someone mistaking a flying formation of jets or even birds (one observer of the first formation said they were planes flying in formation):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Lights

4. People looking at something that they NEVER saw before and trying to make out what it is. In past centuries people saw things in the sky, could not make them out and called then Angels. In the 20th Century angels are no longer a good explanation but given the reports of "Flying saucers" such UFOs have replaced angels. This is a well known phenomena among people, you see someone hit someone and all you have ever seen are Fords, so you call it a Ford instead of a Chevrolet, which it might have been. You want to catch a bus, the bus is coming and you have to make a quick look to see if it is the one you want, and not wanting to miss your miss, you read the sign as your bus, even when it is not. You see a sign, but only at a glance and since you are looking for your exit, you think the sign said it was your exit (Thus most exits off expressways have two or more signs saying what the next turn off is, thus if you miss the first sign, the second sign will correct any mis reading).

This type of using your past experiences to interpret what you see in a flash is part of being human. Nothing wrong with it, but when it comes to UFOs your brain falls back on what is acceptable, and that includes seeing a Flying Saucer. Thus you see a saucer, when it may be headlights off a flock of birds, marsh gas burning, ball lighting, planes in the distance or something else that you have NO experience with and thus a UFO. I suspect this is tied up with the first count, the CIA Covering ip secret flying programs, for a report of a "flying saucer" can be dismissed, but a detail report of what the UFO looked like may reveal what the CIA or US Air Force is trying to cover up. The CIA would rather you report you saw a Flying Saucer, then report that you saw something that could fly today and be of use by something like the CIA.

All of these natural and man made phenomena needs researched not used by the NSA, CIA or Air Force to cover up what they are doing. Thus I support UFO research for it may be the best way to get an understanding of many of these natural phenomena on our planet.

However these are what are documented




Schulgen 1947 memo

General USAF G. Schulgen 1947 memo Information about UFOs from thousands of eye witness reports and physical evidence such as landing marks, photos, videos and radar data, has been compiled over the last 60 years. Such descriptions have been put in official documents as early as 1947.

On 28-Oct-1947 General (USAF) George Schulgen, then Asst. Chief of Staff for Air Intelligence, issued a classified draft order (portions reprinted below) for American intelligence operatives throughout the world directing them to gather all potentially relevent information about "flying saucers":

"An alleged "Flying Saucer" type aircraft or object in flight, approximating the shape of a disc, has been reported by many observers from widely scattered places, such as the United States, Alaska, Canada, Hungary, the Island of Guam, and Japan. This object has been reported by many competent observers, including USAF rated officers. Sightings have been made from the ground as well as from the air.
[snip]
Commonly reported features that are very significant and which may aid in the investigation are as follows:

Relatively flat bottom with extreme light-reflecting ability.

Absence of sound except for an occasional roar when operating under super performance conditions.

Extreme maneuverability and apparent ability to almost hover.

A plan form approximating that of an oval or disc with a dome shape on the top surface.
The absence of an exhaust trail except in a few instances when it was reported to have a bluish color, like a Diesel exhaust[...]

The ability to quickly disappear by high speed or by complete disintegration.

The ability to suddenly appear without warning as if from an extremely high altitude.

The size most reported approximated that of a C-54 or Constellation type aircraft.

The ability to group together very quickly in a tight formation when more than one aircraft are together.

Evasive action ability indicates possibility of being manually operated, or possibly by electronic or remote control devices.
Under certain power conditions, the craft seems to have the ability to cut a clear path through clouds -- width of path estimated to be approximately one-half mile. Only one incident indicated this phenomenon.
[snip]

The first sightings in the U.S. were reported around the middle of May. The last reported sighting took place in Toronto, Canada, 14 September. The greatest activity in the U.S. was during the last week of June and the first week of July..."

Source: Brig.Gen. Schulgen "Intelligence Requirements on Flying Saucer Type Aircraft" 28-Oct-1947, a/k/a Schulgen memo must-read!, obtained under FOIA from the US National Archives in 1985. What is remarkable about this order is that it goes into very specific details about saucer construction.





EX NAVY SCIENTIST SLAMS CIA UFO CLAIMS

Claims by the CIA of a ‘tremendous’ increase in reports of UFOs when the U2 spy plane started flying in 1955 are wrong according to a former US Navy optical physicist, Dr Bruce Maccabee.

In a new book containing the formerly classified history of the U2, the writers, Gregory Pedlow and Donald Welzenbach, claim that the USAF received a greatly increased number of UFO sighting reports from pilots and ground based observers after the U2 began test flights on August 8, 1955.
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According to Dr. Maccabee, the numbers of sightings per month received by the USAF’s Project Blue Book, as reported in the Final Report of the Scientific Investigation of Unidentified Flying Objects (Air Force Contract F44620-67-C-0035, E. U. Condon, Director; Bantam Books edition, 1969, pg 514) totally contradict the CIA claim.

According to the Final Report the number of sighting reports in July, before the U2 started flying, was 63. In August, when U2 test flights began, the number was 68, an increase of only 5 or about 8%. Then, in September, there was a decrease to 57 reports, a drop of almost 20%, even though the U2 continued to fly. Averaged over a longer time the statistics show little or no impact of the U2 flights on sighting rate.

In his book, The FBI CIA UFO Connection published last September, Dr. Maccabee shows that the number of UFO sightings reports for 10 months preceding the first U2 flights is the same as the number of reports collected during the ten months following the first flight.

‘These statistics clearly do not support the claim of a ‘tremendous’ increase in UFO reports when the U2 began flying,’ Dr Maccabee said.

http://brumac.8k.com/cia_explaination.html

In fact people who do NOT have any training in identifying flying objects often make better witnesses then "Trained observers" for the untrained eye had not been preconditioned to try to figure out that they saw was.

The Phoenix lights is an good example of this, the only person who looked at the first set of lights through binoculars, called them planes, the rest of the reports, done with the naked eye, said they were flying saucers. The second set of lights, the one we have video of, is a different set of observations, and these are clearly flares.

In the books written by the original officer in Charge of Operation Blue Book, point out one of the big pushes for flying saucer reports was US Air Force fears that the US Navy was developing something that would make the Air Force obsolete. When it became Clear the Navy was NOT the cause of the Flying Saucer reports, the Air Force determined it was a Soviet plot (This was the height of the Red Scare). Most of the reports he investigated ended up being something normal (and this increased once he had access to Skyhook balloon reports, something NOT available to them till the 1950s). The Skyhook balloon program was the number one source of false reports for being Hydrogen high attitude balloons, they took strange shapes as they went up to their maximum attitude.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyhook_balloon

The balloons did NOT always look like the Classic balloon shape, they often turned on their sides and went into strange shapes as the Hydrogen inside heated and cooled at different rates. When released they had their classic shape, at 90,000 feet they had what people would call a normal shape for a balloon, but in between anything could and did happen. Skyhook was a top secret program and could reach heights NOT otherwise reachable till rockets in the late 1950s. There are all types of reports of pilots seeing Skyhook balloons and reporting all type of strange visions, as the balloon went into different shapes and many were seen in dusk and dawn, so how the light hit them would make them look even stranger.

Thus reports of UFOs are common, for Soldier have to report UFOs, even if nothing happened do to them, or in their own opinion it wa a natural phenomena. The reason for this is that enemies forces have been known to test defenses just before an attack. The classic example of this was what the Viet Cong did in the days before the Tet Offensive, they tested US defenses around US bases to see the response, the US knew this from previous wars and thought the increase number of reports indicated something was up. The same with UFO reports, if you have an increase something may be up that has nothing to do with Aliens from outer space, but more earth based enemies of the US.

Thus just because reports of UFOs were made proved nothing except someone saw something he or she could not identify and sent the report up the chain of command. All Armies have done that, it is one way to figure out what the enemy is up to. Often the reports are meaningless, but once in a while worth the paper they are written on. Thus reports of UFOs, unless tied in with something else, mean nothing for the reports may be reports of natural phenomena that no one really cares about.

As to the U2 program, the U2 program became public in 1959 when one was shot down. Being made public, the U2 could then be blamed for reports of UFOs that were the produce of Skyhook and other secret operations (including the U2 successor the SR-71). Thus the Navy report for the 1950s saying the U2 could not be the cause of the increase in UFO reports may be true, but it does NOT mean other secret programs were NOT the cause and the U2 became a convenient rationale for such reports (i.e. the U2 was used to cover up other activities that the Air Force or CIA did not want released).

Sorry, you are reading to much in those reports. The statements are one of personal opinions, based on reports but still personal opinion. Worse, done by people with agendas, the late 1940s the Air Force wanted to show it was still relevant for the reports were coming out that its WWII bombing campaign were a waste of money. In the 1950s the Navy was looking to show it should be funded more then the Air Force, for it projected US military power better (and this you have to take both reports with a "good bit of salt" as the services trying to show it is doing a better job then the other services and thus its budget should be increased and the other service's budget should be cut).

The infighting between then Navy and the Air Force is legendary, both see themselves as the premium service to project US power and do all they can to show that the other services is a joke. Thus always read Navy reports on the Air Force (and Air Force reports on the Navy) with the understanding the reports are done to enhance one service in the eyes of Congress and to down grade the other service.

sorry you are the one that is promoting misinformation, disinformation and still propagandize the old story that has been disproven through their own memos.

You haven't really look at it through FOIA documents have you?

You are using supposition to discredit real American and international professionals that had been trained to observe and now THEY ARE ALL LIARS.

read the memos

....you might not like what you get....

If our planet is any indication, intelligence is vastly overrated as an evolutionary strategy.

It would seem that, if there's a secret UFO file somewhere, someone in Podesta's position would have been able to get access to it.

I love the sound of minds being blown.





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other governments have

is that they know they are guilty of lying to the citizens of the US for what was understandingly at first for so called national security and the cold war threat and then that lie grew into a government agencies that now the hidden 51$ billion black budget that we know about.


Back in time this started.......The US air force knew it was powerless against the high technology they encountered with flying saucers and would not admit that they were not in control of our air skies. Which why the 1952 UFO incident over DC is important because of the radar returns from both civilian national airport in DC and the US base that was suppose to protect the capital that had both radar and visual observations from F 76 pilots, flying the most advanced jet we had couldn't do shit It scared the shit of the thousands of Washingtonians that witness it.



Which is why President Truman spoke to the nation the next day and then had his top general in charge of defense of the skies of our nation do a press conference.

Now the data from the newspapers, and the photos .............. we see think.... can't be true...............but they and it was real

which is an easy search




The radar data and through the FOIA, official government secret correspondence is revealed between the airports and many agencies involved in this incident is available but that involves deeper research and looking at the documents


In the 60s The next growing immediate threat that they thought they could at least address was the soviet threat and nuclear destruction of this planet but and then they carried it too far that their ego and their lies about the missile gap they lied to at least two presidents and the secrecy grew more even more neurotic........... all of that is documented too...



Then something happened to both the soviets and the US reality
a so called intelligent manipulated craft was able to turn off or on
our and their most secure nuclear missile sites............... this is well documented now through years of FOIA reports and witnesses coming forward.

Now saying that they control of what is going on is their job, otherwise what the hell do we need to give you more money for?

Disinformation and misinformation is an intelligence forte used by all for dishonest control but all nations do that. Half truths are better than a lie.

Now the secret government has grown to an secret institutional megalith that they can't even control even enough to admit and or won't acknowledged their documented lies.


Disclosure will never come from them through this portion of your government because of the neurotic development they have had since operation paperclip.

I just want them to admit to the truth embargo not their cover up
but they are now psychotic
and past a neurosis.

It's a self-serving spiral isn't it?

Think how hard it has been to get the truth about the effects of smoking tobacco out
then consider how much more money, how many more careers & businesses, how much
more powerful & how much longer the "UFO" plot has been going on.

(No, the tobacco cover-up alone is not evidence of a UFO cover-up but it is added to
other subsequently proven systemic lies to show how such things have existed and
provide no evidence that they were just "one-offs" or "one bad apple", etc.)

So they have been stealing brains from people with Rs next to their voter names for decades.