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catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 08:13 PM Feb 2015

Kurt Busch Suspended Indefinitely

Source: Bleacher report

NASCAR announced Friday it has suspended driver Kurt Busch—who was slated to take part in Sunday's Daytona 500—due to allegations of domestic assault, as relayed by NASCAR.com's Zack Albert:

Given the serious nature of the findings and conclusions made by the Commissioner of the Family Court of the State of Delaware, NASCAR has indefinitely suspended driver Kurt Busch, effective immediately. He will not be allowed to race nor participate in any NASCAR activities until further notice.

Read more: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2372017-kurt-busch-reportedly-suspended-indefinitely-latest-details-comments-reaction



The court issued a restraining order. No criminal charges have been filed at this time.
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Kurt Busch Suspended Indefinitely (Original Post) catnhatnh Feb 2015 OP
Reyal nas. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2015 #1
Good for them, seriously. randys1 Feb 2015 #2
Seems like he should have been shown the door a long time ago Major Nikon Feb 2015 #6
Drug test these creeps. They're "athletes"....or claim to be. eom wolfie001 Feb 2015 #3
Nascar takes drug abuse seriously catnhatnh Feb 2015 #5
yes, of course, have a cold relaxing mug of beer instead! uncle ray Feb 2015 #10
Ummmm, they do drug test, they take that crap seriously. GGJohn Feb 2015 #16
actually, they are haydukelives Feb 2015 #17
I'm not but I guess you already knew that...... wolfie001 Feb 2015 #27
You got a he says-she says.... catnhatnh Feb 2015 #4
Kurt Busch has done plenty to damage his own career jmowreader Feb 2015 #8
If he had a clean record, maybe. antiquie Feb 2015 #9
Personally I'd think twice about waling on a trained assassin Fumesucker Feb 2015 #7
Don't mess with them hired killers Baclava Feb 2015 #25
I never did like him RoccoR5955 Feb 2015 #11
It sounds like NASCAR is handling the issue of domestic violence better than the NFL did. hughee99 Feb 2015 #12
It's called "learning from OTHER people's mistakes." rocktivity Feb 2015 #15
You think? Major Nikon Feb 2015 #18
I admit I'm not a regular nascar follower, but this was back in 2013 hughee99 Feb 2015 #19
As did the NFL Major Nikon Feb 2015 #20
I'm not sure the NFL actually learned anything yet, and I don't think either organization hughee99 Feb 2015 #21
Kurt Busch smashed his girlfriend's head into a wall back in September Major Nikon Feb 2015 #22
Actually Rice was suspended for two games. hughee99 Feb 2015 #23
NASCAR didn't suspend Busch from the start Major Nikon Feb 2015 #24
You forgot "it is alleged"... catnhatnh Feb 2015 #29
You forgot he hasn't been charged with anything so there is no "alleged" Major Nikon Feb 2015 #30
In this case the court alleges... catnhatnh Feb 2015 #31
Why do you keep missing the part where he hasn't been charged? Major Nikon Feb 2015 #32
The fuck??? catnhatnh Feb 2015 #33
"The fuck???" Do you even read what you write? Major Nikon Feb 2015 #34
That's right, catnhatnh Feb 2015 #35
Complet nonsense. A judge doesn't allege anything. Major Nikon Feb 2015 #36
The NASCAR groupies secondvariety Feb 2015 #13
More rocktivity Feb 2015 #14
NASCAR needs to clean up its image, but then there wouldn't be many fans. Hoyt Feb 2015 #26
Who? JackRiddler Feb 2015 #28
Thank you for saying what I was thinking! n/t crim son Feb 2015 #37
Good going, NASCAR. Jamastiene Feb 2015 #38

randys1

(16,286 posts)
2. Good for them, seriously.
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 08:17 PM
Feb 2015

That little prick,

I love race cars, I have played around in that sport.

NASCAR is stupid I know but I still like to watch some of it.

Jeff Gordon is a liberal by the way, saw him all smiles and taking pics at an Obama/Clinton function


uncle ray

(3,156 posts)
10. yes, of course, have a cold relaxing mug of beer instead!
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 09:02 PM
Feb 2015

because that never resulted in domestic violence.

where were drugs mentioned in the story, anyway?

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
4. You got a he says-she says....
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 08:24 PM
Feb 2015

no current police charges and 72 hours until the biggest race of the year.Seems to me the current action is premature-he can suffer irreparable damage and the action in no way even benefits her...

I think domestic violence is reprehensible. I also think you don't damage a man's career without proof.

 

antiquie

(4,299 posts)
9. If he had a clean record, maybe.
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 08:49 PM
Feb 2015

His drunk reckless driving should have been enough; he was a professional racer.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
25. Don't mess with them hired killers
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:25 AM
Feb 2015

"Everybody on the outside can tell me I'm crazy, but I lived on the inside and saw it firsthand," Kurt Busch said when his attorney, Rusty Hardin, questioned why he still believed Patricia Driscoll is a hired killer.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
11. I never did like him
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 09:02 PM
Feb 2015

He always struck me as a violent person.
I have been to these races in the past, before it was on TV every weekend, and the drivers were always approachable. You could tell what their personality was like outside of the racetrack. Over time, you could see on TV from the interviews and such after and before the race, what kind of people these folks are.
Let's just say that Kurt Bush was not on my favorite list.
Jeff Gordon is.
This is not to say anything about the skill of the driver. On the track a driver can exhibit a different personality than off track. You do what you have to do to win, and your style, is your style.
Enough of my babbling.
I have been a racing fan since the only racing that you could see was highlights of the Indy 500 on the Wide World of Sports the week after the race was run. Now some of it has just gotten way too commercial.
Sorry, I was born with a greasy wrench, and a dirty rag in my hands!

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
12. It sounds like NASCAR is handling the issue of domestic violence better than the NFL did.
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 09:06 PM
Feb 2015

That's a little surprising. n/t

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
15. It's called "learning from OTHER people's mistakes."
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 12:36 AM
Feb 2015

What surprised me is that the court insisted on Busch getting a psych evaluation -- I think he fears that more than even any potential criminal charges.


rocktivity

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
19. I admit I'm not a regular nascar follower, but this was back in 2013
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 01:59 AM
Feb 2015

As the previous poster suggested, perhaps they at least learned from the NFL's mistakes last year.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
20. As did the NFL
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 02:03 AM
Feb 2015

But Travis Kvapil is still racing today, so I don't really think they learned anything other than to avoid the bad press.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
21. I'm not sure the NFL actually learned anything yet, and I don't think either organization
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 02:08 AM
Feb 2015

is going to ban someone for domestic violence. Yes, perhaps the only lesson they learned is to avoid bad press, but if they do that by suspending athletes pending investigation, isn't that at least a step in the right direction?

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
22. Kurt Busch smashed his girlfriend's head into a wall back in September
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 02:23 AM
Feb 2015

He also did it while on the grounds of the Dover speedway. So it's not as if their actions are exactly timely. Furthermore, Ray Rice was fired and suspended indefinitely by the NFL. His suspension was only lifted after he appealed in federal court.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
23. Actually Rice was suspended for two games.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 03:01 AM
Feb 2015

After TMZ posted the video that somehow the NFL "wasn't able to get their hands on" they then suspended him indefinitely. The reason the court lifted his suspension was because they punished him twice for the same incident, which is a violation of their own policy.

If the NFL had initially implemented the same punishment NASCAR just did, they would have suspended Rice indefinitely from the start and it may not have been overturned in court. It will be interesting to see how long Busch's suspension actually lasts for, though. I suspect it will be far too short.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
24. NASCAR didn't suspend Busch from the start
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:02 AM
Feb 2015

They waited almost 5 months until a judge issued a protective order. Near as I can tell they did no investigation of their own, unlike the NFL (albeit a fucked up investigation).

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
30. You forgot he hasn't been charged with anything so there is no "alleged"
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 12:38 PM
Feb 2015
"The Court finds by a preponderance of the evidence that, on September 26, 2014, Respondent [Busch] committed an act of domestic violence against Petitioner [Driscoll] by manually strangling her by placing his left hand on her throat, while placing his right hand on her chin and face and smashing her head into the wall of his motor home," commissioner David Jones wrote in his findings and conclusions.


catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
31. In this case the court alleges...
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 12:45 PM
Feb 2015

he remains innocent until proven guilty.

"Jones ultimately sided with Driscoll in the he-said, she-said case, citing her credibility and demeanor while testifying.

He wrote the "most troubling issue regarding (Driscoll's) credibility…involves the allegation that (Driscoll) falsely testified" that Motor Racing Outreach pastor Nick Terry told her in a phone conversation that Busch's lawyers "had offered him financial assistance in an effort to secure his testimony, which she characterized as an attempt to bribe Mr. Terry."

But Terry testified at the hearing, which lasted four days stretched over two months, he had not been offered financial assistance.

Jones wrote he decided to "disregard" Driscoll's false testimony because it did not rise to the level "where the balance of her testimony cannot be trusted ... as the Court finds that the balance of her trial testimony is sufficiently corroborated by other credible evidence."


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nascar/2015/02/20/kurt-busch-domestic-violence/23755593/

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
33. The fuck???
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 01:10 PM
Feb 2015

He's been banned from the premier race of the year.
al·leged
əˈlejd/Submit
adjective
(of an incident or a person) said, without proof, to have taken place or to have a specified illegal or undesirable quality.
"the alleged conspirators"
synonyms: supposed, so-called, claimed, professed, purported, ostensible, putative, unproven
"did Mr. Ramirez tell you what time this alleged crime took place?"

It has nothing to do with being charged-and if you read the OP I STATED he has not been charged.

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
35. That's right,
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 01:28 PM
Feb 2015

Family court judge David Jones alleges. There are currently no criminal charges and there has been trial. I posted the definition of alleged. Driscoll alleges she was attacked and the Judge alleges it is "more likely than not" that he is guilty...

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
36. Complet nonsense. A judge doesn't allege anything.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 01:46 PM
Feb 2015

The only issue before the family court judge was a protective order which was granted based on the preponderance of evidence that Kurt Busch smashed his girlfriend's head into a wall. If you want to invent something else, be my guest. I don't really care.

Cheers!

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
38. Good going, NASCAR.
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 02:26 PM
Feb 2015

Good to see someone stand up to wife beating assholes. Maybe it will make some of them think twice before they do that again. Maybe.

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