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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:15 PM Feb 2015

Internal report: Dems have lost their way

Source: MCCLATCHY WASHINGTON BUREAU

February 21, 2015
David Lightman
McClatchy Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON — Democrats have become a confused political party with a muddled message and an inability to turn out enough of its loyal voters, a party task force charged with how to revive the embattled party said Saturday.

“I am here to tell you the Democratic Party has lost its way,” said Gov. Steve Beshear of Kentucky, who presented the report to the Democratic National Committee WINTER.

The report, an effort to dissect the party’s crushing losses in last year’s congressional and gubernatorial elections, found “the circumstances that led to the series of devastating electoral losses did not develop overnight.” Republicans have done a better job adapting to the rapidly changing electoral landscape, it said, particularly in the area of fundraising.

Democrats have lagged in wooing its own, most supportive constituencies, while losing others.

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Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2015/02/21/257396/internal-report-dems-have-lost.html

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Internal report: Dems have lost their way (Original Post) DonViejo Feb 2015 OP
It's gone too far to the right. sakabatou Feb 2015 #1
+1000, and sold out to the corps on point Feb 2015 #2
Corporate Dems And Clintonites Ruined It billhicks76 Feb 2015 #15
"Business as usual" doesn't sell well to people who are falling behind. Warpy Feb 2015 #16
+ another Scuba Feb 2015 #38
It's time for the Dems to fucking CHOOSE SIDES. arcane1 Feb 2015 #3
most have. onethatcares Feb 2015 #4
DEMS had a fire sale on the Party Plank. Sold out to the higest bidder. Hoped they'd fool enough blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #23
Looks like everyone will stay home! Even Republicans.... MADem Feb 2015 #5
Before I read it I'll say: elleng Feb 2015 #6
That's true, Ellen. But if we would get back to roots and the common needs of the greatest number.. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #9
and of course, SKP, elleng Feb 2015 #17
I worry that Citizen United may have been the tipping point. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #18
I think lots of arguments can be made, elleng Feb 2015 #21
Maybe, Citizens United lets Big Labor spend unlimited funds, so we'll probably end up with socialism progree Feb 2015 #34
Pro-Tip: Quit kissing up to Goldman Sachs and global corporate interests. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #7
^^^this!^^^^ peacebird Feb 2015 #22
no shit, Sherlock. hobbit709 Feb 2015 #8
Good grief salib Feb 2015 #10
Maybe if we stuck to our roots marym625 Feb 2015 #11
Let's fix it and move on. Kingofalldems Feb 2015 #12
Democrats have not lost anything they have been sold out to BB buy their supposed "leaders" Vincardog Feb 2015 #13
They've become too Republican Lite .. let's get back to the party of FDR!! YOHABLO Feb 2015 #14
We need to remember that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. ColesCountyDem Feb 2015 #19
I wonder at times if the number of more properous voters... who always turn out in droves and often freshwest Feb 2015 #29
Excellent analysis! ColesCountyDem Feb 2015 #37
Running away from the president didn't exactly help jmowreader Feb 2015 #20
Didn't run away. He went to sit with his bank$ter donor friends and screw my neighbors. jtuck004 Feb 2015 #26
The president running away from his voters was the problem Doctor_J Feb 2015 #27
I fault Debbie Wasserman Schultz SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2015 #24
LOL! OnyxCollie Feb 2015 #25
No shit, and it doesn't take a "task force" Cosmocat Feb 2015 #28
+ 1 gazillion ReRe Feb 2015 #30
A task force chock full of six and seven figure Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #32
10000 ++++^^^^^ 2banon Feb 2015 #40
it's worse than that. Minorities, teachers, and labor don't have as much money as Wall Street yurbud Feb 2015 #39
Lost there way at least two decades ago. Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #31
say it loud and say it often! 2banon Feb 2015 #41
DEMOCRATIC STUDY GROUP turbinetree Feb 2015 #33
Isn't saying that called "ratfucking"? MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #35
Somewhere around April 1945 or so? JackRiddler Feb 2015 #36

Warpy

(111,264 posts)
16. "Business as usual" doesn't sell well to people who are falling behind.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:59 PM
Feb 2015

They need to campaign on fair taxation and a higher minimum wage. That would get people out to vote. Pasting a bad system that is hostile to labor won't.

onethatcares

(16,168 posts)
4. most have.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:21 PM
Feb 2015

they are all looking at the money side. Aside from a few they are all looking to be rich. the working people they once supported don't quite pay as much as the waltons, kochs and other richie riches.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
23. DEMS had a fire sale on the Party Plank. Sold out to the higest bidder. Hoped they'd fool enough
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 07:36 PM
Feb 2015

with all their phony "bi-partisanship" and "compromise."

Obama and Clinton and their Third Way pals are 100% symptomatic of a moribund Party.

elleng

(130,914 posts)
6. Before I read it I'll say:
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:23 PM
Feb 2015

Maybe a major part of the 'problem' is that we ARE a big-tent party, consequently many approaches to many issues, difficult to 'congeal' for successful action.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
9. That's true, Ellen. But if we would get back to roots and the common needs of the greatest number..
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:30 PM
Feb 2015

...

If we could do that, look at what we (the lower and middle and working classes, regardless of niche) need, like good healthcare, security in our old age, support for workers and fair pay, we would THRIVE!

If we would focus on these things, a great many soft republicans and independents would join us.

Let's face it, all good Democrats are going to fight for womens' rights and marriage equality and smart gun laws and a balance between rights and security.

But we don't look for the common good, we spend too much time fighting amongst ourselves.

Big tent is great, it's the right thing to do, but for goodness sake, people: FOCUS!

So, a little snow on yer windows?

elleng

(130,914 posts)
17. and of course, SKP,
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 07:00 PM
Feb 2015

a MAJOR part of the problem of today is Citizen's United, making your reasonable suggestion VERY much more difficult than it was in the past.

Yup, a 'little' snow, so probably not going out until next week; sooner rather than later. REALLY getting boring, and lack of moving around is not healthy. Luckily did go out yesterday, instead of waiting til Monday.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
18. I worry that Citizen United may have been the tipping point.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 07:06 PM
Feb 2015

It strikes me as monumentally absurd and counter to the intent of the constitution of this nation that the power of wealth should be institutionally granted power over the individual.

You would know better than I, but might there be a case that could be brought to court over unequal access?

Or would we need a different court to ever have a shot at overturning this mess?

elleng

(130,914 posts)
21. I think lots of arguments can be made,
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 07:25 PM
Feb 2015

and I don't know whether a different Court is necessary. It may be. I'm not optimistic.

progree

(10,908 posts)
34. Maybe, Citizens United lets Big Labor spend unlimited funds, so we'll probably end up with socialism
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:25 PM
Feb 2015
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
7. Pro-Tip: Quit kissing up to Goldman Sachs and global corporate interests.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:25 PM
Feb 2015

And start listening to the working class.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
8. no shit, Sherlock.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:27 PM
Feb 2015

Not as bad as the other guys just didn't work. It's hard to get people motivated with that idea or with being willing to sell out core principles.

salib

(2,116 posts)
10. Good grief
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:35 PM
Feb 2015

This looks like a marketing report. Why are we wasting good money and time on this crap.

We really need to clean house in the Democratic Party.

Kingofalldems

(38,458 posts)
12. Let's fix it and move on.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:46 PM
Feb 2015

Study the greatest Democrat of all--Franklin D Roosevelt.

He spoke his mind and did not take any guff from the republican rich guys.

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
13. Democrats have not lost anything they have been sold out to BB buy their supposed "leaders"
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:48 PM
Feb 2015

Shove that in your think tank and process it.

ColesCountyDem

(6,943 posts)
19. We need to remember that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 07:16 PM
Feb 2015

Our party has always been a diverse one, but we always agreed on economic fairness. We were the party of the working person, the 'little guy' and the people who had no one else to stand up for them.

We need to get back to that.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
29. I wonder at times if the number of more properous voters... who always turn out in droves and often
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:30 PM
Feb 2015
vote against Dems, is a symbol of our success and not a failure. The expression, 'If you want to live like a Republican, vote for Democrats.' comes to mind.

Many did when it served their purpose, and now that they see others trying to come up the ladder behind them, are looking out for themselves only. They reaped the benefits of being in the unions, some of them even public workers, or were helped by other Dem programs. They are now on SS and feel secure, if they had a very good paying job with legal protections for their pensions.

So they vote to pay for nothing for others, feel entitled to everything, and use any excuse to do so. I've tried to talk to them but they always have an excuse that amounts to discrimination against others who they consider not worthy of the same benefits they get.

They don't identify with the 'little guy' anymore. They feel they are better than them. A lot of that was taught them by media or their bosses. That is what is killing us, they have got fat bellies now and lost empathy. We have lost a lot of Democrats that way.

As far as regaining the message, ours is good, but it can't undo the millions of people who listen to the narrow choice of news venues we have now with the constant repetition for hours every day and night. People echo what they hear, and even having a Democratic POTUS who goes out and presents our message every day, isn't being reported.

JMHO.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
26. Didn't run away. He went to sit with his bank$ter donor friends and screw my neighbors.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 07:54 PM
Feb 2015

His fucking choice.

Feel free to read the description in Stress Test by Timothy "Killer" Geither, his handpicked treasury secretary.

Here, in an interview, Jon Stewart told Killer that the pres went to hell and back for the bank$ters, but not for the people. Killer tried to spin it otherwise.

The voters in the audience laughed AT the little liar's face.


 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
27. The president running away from his voters was the problem
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:16 PM
Feb 2015

But it was all planned ahead of time. Campaign 2008 was a fraud

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,120 posts)
24. I fault Debbie Wasserman Schultz
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 07:41 PM
Feb 2015

She should have been replaced in November after the blowout. It should never have happened and I fault her for not doing homework or figuring out a way to sell her corporate backers to the voters. And since she can't sell them to us, why is she a leader and a major advocate for the party?

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
28. No shit, and it doesn't take a "task force"
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 08:21 PM
Feb 2015

to see this party for the completely spineless, feckless cowering in a corner scared of its shadow bunch of twits it is.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
32. A task force chock full of six and seven figure
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 09:43 PM
Feb 2015

Washington consultants telling them something we could have told them for free.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
39. it's worse than that. Minorities, teachers, and labor don't have as much money as Wall Street
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 01:19 PM
Feb 2015

so Dems barely make pious noises during elections, but they will disregard the wishes of those who elected them and even pro-actively screw them if their big donors (who are also their past, future, and honestly true PRESENT employers) demand it.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
31. Lost there way at least two decades ago.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 09:41 PM
Feb 2015

Certainly can trace their loss of spine to when they allowed Thurgood Marshall to be replaced by Clarence Thomas.

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
33. DEMOCRATIC STUDY GROUP
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:26 PM
Feb 2015

This was the operation that helped the democrats, and it also helped the middle class and the poor, maybe its time to go back to the DEMOCRATIC STUDY GROUP

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
35. Isn't saying that called "ratfucking"?
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 02:53 AM
Feb 2015

Or is that only when I say much the same thing?

Ratfucker is such a great word. It pleases me mightily to see it so often.

Ratfucker.

Ratfucker.

Ratfucker.

Like something from Rick Santorum's vision of the afterlife.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
36. Somewhere around April 1945 or so?
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 04:11 AM
Feb 2015

Or maybe after 1965? Murdering a couple of million in Indochina doesn't seem like the way.

Or was it as late as 1988? By 92, it was kind of obvious.

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