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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:27 PM Feb 2015

Russian news report: Putin approved Ukraine invasion before Kiev government collapsed

Source: McClatchy Foreign Staff

BY MATTHEW SCHOFIELD
McClatchy Foreign Staff
February 21, 2015

BERLIN — A Russian newspaper claims to have an official government strategy document outlining the invasion of Ukraine that was prepared weeks before the Ukrainian government collapsed last year.

The editor of Novaya Gazeta, Dmitri Muratov, reported the document during an interview with Echo of Moscow, a radio station. In the interview, which was reported by news outlets Saturday, he did not reveal how the newspaper came into possession of the document in the media unfriendly Russian world, but said he had confidence it was authentic.

Novaya Gazeta is considered a rarity in Russia these days, an independent investigative newspaper that’s known to anger the Kremlin on a regular basis. The editor said the paper’s plan is to publish the full details of the strategy document next week.

Muratov said the document characterized then Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych as “a person without morals and willpower whose downfall must be expected at any moment.” Yanukovych fled Ukraine for Russia on Feb. 22, 2014.

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Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2015/02/21/257386/russian-news-report-ukraine-invasion.html

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Russian news report: Putin approved Ukraine invasion before Kiev government collapsed (Original Post) DonViejo Feb 2015 OP
cuing the apologists in ...... hobbit709 Feb 2015 #1
They knew their puppet was unreliable. Not surprising. TwilightGardener Feb 2015 #2
Next news will be about Dmitri Muratov's arrest OKNancy Feb 2015 #3
Oh, poo! Comrade Major Putin would NEVER do such a nefarious thing. ColesCountyDem Feb 2015 #4
But why? jamzrockz Feb 2015 #5
What's worse than a destabilized Russia friendly Ukraine? LiberalLovinLug Feb 2015 #19
I don't see that this article changes any of the dynamics swilton Feb 2015 #6
Going back to the present time, I support the Minsk Accords, as does almost all of Europe. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #7
Putin used the Bush Cheney Iraq game book project_bluebook Feb 2015 #8
Consider how profoundly unlikely this story is Demeter Feb 2015 #9
"said he had confidence it was authentic." "*Appears* to have been drafted" newthinking Feb 2015 #10
"The Kremlin doesn't leak". How could you possibly know that unless you're intimately involved? Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #12
I'm skeptic JonLP24 Feb 2015 #16
Sounds like Vietnam MFrohike Feb 2015 #11
Careful, or you'll stir up these guys! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #13
No shit! Crimea was well planned and executed. joshcryer Feb 2015 #14
It is obvious Ukraine is suffering from a long-term constitutional crisis JonLP24 Feb 2015 #15
I thought it was pretty obvious that Putin was disgusted with Yanukovich at the time. bemildred Feb 2015 #17
Given that Russian troops started appearing throughout Crimea just a week after Yanukoyvch left Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #18
Indeed it is. n/t MBS Feb 2015 #21
That would explain why Yanukovich left when he still had the military and security forces pampango Feb 2015 #20

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
2. They knew their puppet was unreliable. Not surprising.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:29 PM
Feb 2015

Also explains why Russia refused to sign the deal that was being pushed at the time.

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
5. But why?
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 07:17 PM
Feb 2015

What does he benefit from having a destabilized Russia friendly Ukraine in its neighborhood. Come up with a more plausible story and I can pretend to believe it.

Next Headline: Putin eats live babies with hot sauce.

Anti Russia brigade on DU: I cant wait to see what the puti poo's will say about this


Like we are all supposed to believe everything we read from the internet.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
19. What's worse than a destabilized Russia friendly Ukraine?
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 02:01 PM
Feb 2015

..A stabilized pro-western, possibly NATO member, Ukraine.

After everything we know through the years, decades, about Mr. Putin, it seems entirely possible.

"Like we are all supposed to believe everything we read from the internet."

As far as I can tell this newspaper actually exists. Or are you suggesting that even that is made up? And it existence is based within Russia. If an internal paper is going to antagonize Putin with a story like this, wouldn't it be inconceivably stupid, dangerous and downright pointless to just make that shit up?

And this has nothing to do with being "Anti Russia". It has everything to do with being anti-oligarchist no matter where, whether in the US or North Korea, or Russia.

 

swilton

(5,069 posts)
6. I don't see that this article changes any of the dynamics
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 07:41 PM
Feb 2015

-Ukraine was, is and always will be in Russia's sphere of interest - regardless of their current government which represents a very, very small minority within Ukraine
-NATO/the EU have formally expanded east since 2000- the long-term goal of the latest (since the 2014 coup) is Russia
-Ukraine has been unstable since 2008

-Ukraine as a state is a lost cause.
-If Putin doesn't react to NATO/EU intervention - he will face domestic challenges....If he does react to NATO/EU intervention, it will validate NATO hawks labeling this as Russian aggression and justify their calls for rearming NATO.

-Peace and the welfare and European, Russian, US people are the losers.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
9. Consider how profoundly unlikely this story is
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 09:10 PM
Feb 2015

The Kremlin doesn't leak....not accidentally, and not deliberately like the White House does on a regular basis to push a line of bull through the media grinder.

The only Edward Snowden in Russia is ours.

So I am not going to put any credence into it.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
10. "said he had confidence it was authentic." "*Appears* to have been drafted"
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:18 PM
Feb 2015

True to the tabloid media: Speculation and opinion. Even *if* it is a real document and not forged, all the claims are hypothesized.

They say:

"he (Muratov) could not definitively show who prepared the document, he could with some confidence speculate that the authors included Russian oligarch Konstantin Malofayev"

Then they turn that speculation into "fact"

"Muratov said the document was passed from Malofayev to aids of Russian President Vladimir Putin, who then approved of the plan."


JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
16. I'm skeptic
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 07:22 AM
Feb 2015

It conveniently lays out everything the Ukraine government claims, including bad mouthing the man who agreed to the trade deal with Russia, ousted by pro-Western forces. There was conflict already going on in Eastern Ukraine when the Freedom & similar parties threw him out. In fact, it was used as a justification.

The claim they planned this based on the claims regarding Yanukovych is way too convenient. Recent Ukrainian elections when the recent power has changed the rules of the game, ordered early elections, & prohibited voting in parts unlikely to vote for their political party.

Yanukovych was in the middle basically of the political divisions. There are right regarding the "no morals" but everyone accuses the other of corruption while claiming they're fighting it.

On edit - I don't trust either, much less one side much more than other though regarding this conflict.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
13. Careful, or you'll stir up these guys!
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 04:47 AM
Feb 2015
TYT/Buzzfeed: "Russia's Online Troll Army Is Huge, Hilarious & Already Everywhere "



"Moscow is financing legions of pro-Russia Internet commenters. But how much do they matter?"

"Russia's campaign to shape international opinion around its invasion of Ukraine has extended to recruiting and training a new cadre of online trolls that have been deployed to spread the Kremlin's message on the comments section of top American websites.


Oops! It may be too late.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
15. It is obvious Ukraine is suffering from a long-term constitutional crisis
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 06:54 AM
Feb 2015

The 2004 constitution was made to make the EU happy but after the free trade deals broke down over their demand to release the "Oil Princess" (hard to remember how to spell her last name so I go with her nickname) which he refused to do, he had plans to discontinue it but didn't sign it and not sure which one was used to throw him out but Parliament has incredible power to throw people out. I'm not sure why or how a recently elected President can call for "early elections" for a new Parliament but they did. Also everyone in charge has dismissed constitutional court judges for "oath violations", puts them back in after they take power. Hard to say if she was guilty of the accusations--the judicial system is rated a highly corrupt as well as their political system, health care system, businesses, etc. Bribes are openly given & accepted everywhere. I will say she faced a 54-count indictment in the US (judge dismissed about half right away).

Ukraine badly needs an independent Constitutional Commission that sticks long-term & a separation of powers because one branch has too much power & control over another, especially the government over the courts. A judge in Eastern Ukraine & his family was beheaded, why, I don't know. There are many killings apparently connected with corruption.

Several brawls broke out in Parliament
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/9741699/Mass-fight-between-MPs-breaks-out-in-Ukraines-parliament.html

Without morals is a descriptive that applies to many more

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
17. I thought it was pretty obvious that Putin was disgusted with Yanukovich at the time.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 07:52 AM
Feb 2015

But he seems to be allowed back in the spotlight now.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
18. Given that Russian troops started appearing throughout Crimea just a week after Yanukoyvch left
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 08:26 AM
Feb 2015

I'm not at all surprised.

He carped the diem. He knew he would never have a better chance to seize Crimea than that point, with Ukraine nearly powerless to fight back.

Despicable.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
20. That would explain why Yanukovich left when he still had the military and security forces
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 04:24 PM
Feb 2015

to protect himself and the democratically-elected government. Apparently some thought he had bungled things so badly that it was time for Plan B.

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