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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 01:42 PM Feb 2015

Russia Offers to Sell Powerful Air-Defense System to Iran

Source: WSJ

James Marson
Updated Feb. 23, 2015 11:07 a.m. ET

MOSCOW—Russia has offered to sell a powerful air-defense system to Iran, a top executive said, five years after the Kremlin canceled the sale of an earlier version under U.S. and Israeli pressure.

Sergei Chemezov, chief executive of the Russian defense conglomerate Rostec, said Tehran was considering its offer to sell Antey-2500 anti-ballistic missile systems. A 2007 contract to supply the less-advanced S-300 system was canceled in 2010.

“They are thinking (about it). The decision hasn’t been taken yet,” Mr. Chemezov told reporters at a weapons exhibition in Abu Dhabi on Monday, the state-controlled news agency TASS reported.

The comments come amid the most-serious standoff between the West and Russia since the end of the Cold War, which has seen the U.S., the European Union and others apply sanctions against Moscow for its incursions into Ukraine.

Read more: http://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-offers-to-sell-powerful-air-defense-system-to-iran-1424703191

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Russia Offers to Sell Powerful Air-Defense System to Iran (Original Post) Purveyor Feb 2015 OP
what goes around comes around. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #1
Putin is only interested in peace & protecting Russian citizens. Thats all. 7962 Feb 2015 #2
LOL! ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2015 #3
Russia and Iran, two lovely governments that care about their citizens and human rights uhnope Feb 2015 #4
Sounds just like the US government Tempest Feb 2015 #6
lol. I hope you're joking uhnope Feb 2015 #7
Russia is the our biggest competitor in global arms sales Bugenhagen Feb 2015 #12
its called being 'flexible' ... quadrature Feb 2015 #15
The US government does not give a shit about our rights. bemildred Feb 2015 #18
Wow. Really? That's a pretty extreme statement. uhnope Feb 2015 #19
Well here is an example 'sparky': No Federal Charges For Zimmerman In Trayvon Martin Death Purveyor Feb 2015 #20
So, sir, you think the "US government does not give a shit about our rights." uhnope Feb 2015 #21
Good to see you back posting in full form after your juried 'time-out'. Purveyor Feb 2015 #22
nice avoidance and personal attack. Why can't you just answer the question? uhnope Feb 2015 #23
No offense, but the evidence really did not support such a charge. Adrahil Feb 2015 #24
It's a common view. You should look into it. nt bemildred Feb 2015 #31
Russia accuses Western powers of trying to dominate world bemildred Feb 2015 #5
Dry sense of humor as always with that chap. nt geek tragedy Feb 2015 #8
I'll see your Ukraine and raise you Irag, Libya, and Syria. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #10
Russia has certainly enabled a lot more atrocities in Syria than the US has. geek tragedy Feb 2015 #11
Yeah, we're neo-colonists. We just impose compliant regimes instead. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #16
Which compliant regimes would those be? geek tragedy Feb 2015 #17
+1. That's gonna leave a mark. Adrahil Feb 2015 #25
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #27
I'd say I agree. Adrahil Feb 2015 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #30
We deposed Iraq's ruler, Saddam Hussein, and set up a new government. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #32
Iraq is a sovereign nation, and they need the help geek tragedy Feb 2015 #33
I can understand why Iran would want beefed up air defenses. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #9
Meh. Who's to object but those intent on bombing Iran? nt geek tragedy Feb 2015 #13
The Iranians have every right to purchase it. roamer65 Feb 2015 #14
Of course they do.... Adrahil Feb 2015 #26
As Netanyahu Tries to Stop U.S.-Iran Deal, Leaked Cables Show Israeli Spies Reject His Nuke Claims KoKo Feb 2015 #29
Again, I agree they are further than one year away. So what? Adrahil Feb 2015 #34
 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
1. what goes around comes around.
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 01:55 PM
Feb 2015

disclaimer: putin is an authoritarian asshole.

Our 25 years of treating Russia like a drunken homeless bum are having consequences. It was a bad idea, carried forward by every administration since the collapse of the USSR.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
2. Putin is only interested in peace & protecting Russian citizens. Thats all.
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 03:06 PM
Feb 2015

Or so we're told by a few usefuls around here............

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
19. Wow. Really? That's a pretty extreme statement.
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 02:11 PM
Feb 2015

Can you explain?

The US government does not give a shit about our rights.

Or anybody elses.
 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
20. Well here is an example 'sparky': No Federal Charges For Zimmerman In Trayvon Martin Death
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 03:11 PM
Feb 2015

Kevin Johnson and Yamiche Alcindor 1:49 p.m. EST February 24, 2015

The Justice Department will not file charges against George Zimmerman in the shooting death of Florida teen Trayvon Martin, a Justice official told USA TODAY.

Justice officials planned to notify Trayvon's family before announcing the decision, according to the official who was not authorized to speak publicly.

Zimmerman shot Martin on Feb. 26, 2012 as he walked home after purchasing snacks at a convenience store in Sanford, Florida. Federal prosecutors found insufficient evidence to prove Zimmerman, part of a neighborhood watch group, intentionally violated Trayvon's civil rights.

more...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/02/24/no-federals-charges-against-george-zimmerman/23942297/

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
21. So, sir, you think the "US government does not give a shit about our rights."
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 03:56 PM
Feb 2015

So one case, a complicated legal decision, equals "US government does not give a shit about our rights."???

Could you clarify your POV on this issue, sir? You cite news from Hezbollah, http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10026171363
even while admitting it is propaganda from a terrorist organization http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141008638#post5
and of course Hezbollah is no friend of anyone's rights.
You have tended to support Putin TV (RT), and Putin's agenda is the opposite of a human rights agenda. And you support the statement ""US government does not give a shit about our rights."

The pieces don't add up to someone actually concerned about "our rights." No, the pieces add up to someone just against the USA, no matter what, from an adversarial position which is not democratic.

Correct me if I'm wrong. But please don't link to Hezbollah again to prove your point.



 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
22. Good to see you back posting in full form after your juried 'time-out'.
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 04:31 PM
Feb 2015

Hope you've learned a thing or two while on break.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
23. nice avoidance and personal attack. Why can't you just answer the question?
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 04:37 PM
Feb 2015

Last edited Tue Feb 24, 2015, 06:58 PM - Edit history (1)

Why can't you just answer the question?

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
24. No offense, but the evidence really did not support such a charge.
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 08:56 PM
Feb 2015

Zimmerman was a murderer for sure, and maybe a racist murderer, but the evidence did not support Federal hate crime charges in my opinion.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
5. Russia accuses Western powers of trying to dominate world
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 03:40 PM
Feb 2015

UNITED NATIONS: Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on Monday (Feb 23) accused Western powers of trying to dominate and impose their ideology on the rest of world, while the United States and European delegations slammed Moscow for supporting rebels in eastern Ukraine.

Lavrov was speaking at a special meeting of the UN Security Council organised by China, which holds the rotating presidency of the 15-nation body this month, on the 70th anniversary of the founding of the United Nations.

Without accusing specific countries, Lavrov complained about what he said was rampant violation of key principles of the UN Charter, specifically the "independence and sovereign equality of states, the non-interference in their internal affairs." He cited Western interventions in Syria, Libya and Iraq.

"All of this is a result of attempts to dominate global affairs, to rule over all, everywhere," Lavrov said. "For those not wishing to play ball, there are various methods, including regime change, including the open support for the unconstitutional state coup in Ukraine a year ago," he said.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/russia-accuses-west/1675888.html

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
10. I'll see your Ukraine and raise you Irag, Libya, and Syria.
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 08:05 PM
Feb 2015

It's hard for nation states to be too self-righteous, but then, we've specialized in that for a wrong time.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
11. Russia has certainly enabled a lot more atrocities in Syria than the US has.
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 08:09 PM
Feb 2015

They're the ones arming the psychopaths in Assad's regime, who are every bit as savage as the ISIL forces.

Tie-breaker comes down to the fact that the US hasn't invaded its neighbors for the explicit purpose of seizing land by conquest.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
16. Yeah, we're neo-colonists. We just impose compliant regimes instead.
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 11:51 PM
Feb 2015

By invading countries if we feel like it.

Response to Adrahil (Reply #25)

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
28. I'd say I agree.
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 10:06 PM
Feb 2015

But that has fuck all to do with the claim that we're installing "compliant regimes."

Response to Adrahil (Reply #28)

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
32. We deposed Iraq's ruler, Saddam Hussein, and set up a new government.
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 06:01 PM
Feb 2015

Too bad it didn't work out exactly as we planned.

We deposed the Taliban and set up a new government.

Too bad it didn't work out exactly as we planned.

We helped overthrow Ghaddafi and set up a new government.

Too bad it didn't work out exactly as we planned.

We've been trying to overthrow Assad in Syria.

I wonder if that will work out exactly as we planned.

The fact that we continuously fuck up our imperial adventures doesn't mean they're not imperial adventures.

As for the Iraqi government's alignment with Iran, I don't hear Washington complaining too much. Do you?

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
9. I can understand why Iran would want beefed up air defenses.
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 08:03 PM
Feb 2015

When they have a paranoid schizophrenic neighbor threatening to attack them all the time.

And begging the rest of us to do it for them.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
14. The Iranians have every right to purchase it.
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 11:25 PM
Feb 2015

I'm not a big fan of either government, but they do have the right to negotiate deals such as this one and go through with it.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
26. Of course they do....
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 09:01 PM
Feb 2015

But given that Iran appears to be pursuing a nuclear weapon, and them GETTING such a weapon would further destabilize an unstable region, is it wise to arm them and trigger greater tensions, or worse, trigger an attack before such defenses could be activated?

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
29. As Netanyahu Tries to Stop U.S.-Iran Deal, Leaked Cables Show Israeli Spies Reject His Nuke Claims
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 10:06 PM
Feb 2015

As Netanyahu Tries to Stop U.S.-Iran Deal, Leaked Cables Show Israeli Spies Reject His Nuke Claims

Published on Feb 24, 2015
http://democracynow.org - In what has been described as the biggest intelligence leak since Edward Snowden, Al Jazeera has begun publishing a series of spy cables from world's top intelligence agencies. In one cable, the Israeli spy agency Mossad contradicts Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's own dire warnings about Iran's ability to produce a nuclear bomb within one year. In a report to South African counterparts in October 2012, the Mossad concluded Iran was "not performing the activity necessary to produce weapons." The explosive disclosure comes just as the United States and Iran have reported progress toward reaching a nuclear deal, an outcome Netanyahu will try to undermine when he addresses the U.S. Congress next week. We go to Doha to speak with Clayton Swisher, the head of Al Jazeera's investigative unit, which broke the Iran story and several others in a series of articles called, "The Spy Cables."

This video is an excerpt from the 20-minute interview with Clayton Swisher. Watch the full segment here: http://www.democracynow.org/2015/2/24...


 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
34. Again, I agree they are further than one year away. So what?
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 09:04 AM
Feb 2015

I'm not supporting Nut-and-yahoo. That dude is dangerous.

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