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Zorro

(15,750 posts)
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 07:37 PM Feb 2015

Venezuela to limit US diplomat number, require tourist visas

Source: AP

President Nicolas Maduro announced Saturday that he will limit the number of U.S. diplomats allowed to work in Venezuela and also will require U.S. citizens to apply for visas if they want to visit.

Maduro said that U.S. meddling in the internal affairs of his country has forced him to adopt the series of restrictive measures.

Relations between the two countries have been steadily deteriorating. Earlier this month, Maduro accused the U.S. of working with local opposition groups to stage a coup that involved bombing the presidential palace. Washington called the accusation ludicrous.

The two countries have not exchanged ambassadors since 2010. Nonetheless, they have continued to exchange diplomatic staff. On Saturday, Maduro said the U.S. has far more officials in Venezuela than his socialist government has in the U.S.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/government-supporters-opposition-march-caracas-155505611.html



Keep digging that hole, Nicky.
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Venezuela to limit US diplomat number, require tourist visas (Original Post) Zorro Feb 2015 OP
Maduro is really starting to lose it. GGJohn Feb 2015 #1
All else fails, he can just arrest christx30 Feb 2015 #2
It won't surprise me if he declares a national emergency and cancels the elections GGJohn Feb 2015 #3
welcome news quadrature Feb 2015 #4
anyone who doesn't think madokie Feb 2015 #5
So, I'm guessing you have proof, other than your supposition? eom. GGJohn Feb 2015 #6
Oh for crying out loud! Prove to me that the sky is blue! elias49 Mar 2015 #23
So, do YOU have any proof? eom. GGJohn Mar 2015 #24
Frankly, I don't think Obama gives a damn about Venezuela. FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #7
I didn't say a thing about obama madokie Feb 2015 #8
So, John Brennan (appointed by Obama) is going behind the presidents back? FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #9
That'll show the U.S. BojackFan Feb 2015 #10
In what way? n/t GP6971 Mar 2015 #25
Maduro says Venezuela captures U.S. citizens linked to espionage Eugene Feb 2015 #11
Yeah....right..... GGJohn Feb 2015 #12
Going after invisible enemies christx30 Feb 2015 #14
According to some, that is acceptable because, well, it's Maduro, GGJohn Feb 2015 #15
Maduro is awesome. christx30 Feb 2015 #16
LOL!!!! GGJohn Feb 2015 #17
Notice that with this idiot, it's always without offering details or evidence. eom. GGJohn Feb 2015 #13
I really don't understand this obsession with Venezuela. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #18
VZ is the most virulently hostile towards the United States. geek tragedy Feb 2015 #19
Only because there are some determined hypocrites who defend undemocratic behavior FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #20
No, I didn't see too many defending Colombia. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #22
Colombia has been more akin to a civil war with the associated atrocities geek tragedy Mar 2015 #29
The US and the corporate media couldn't have loved Colombia's President Uribe, a "Teflon Don" more. Judi Lynn Mar 2015 #32
We've had "DU'ers" here defending Colombia for years and years. Judi Lynn Mar 2015 #28
Just goes to prove there are some who will defend any behavior FLPanhandle Mar 2015 #31
Columbia and Mexico are doing business they way our government wants yurbud Mar 2015 #26
This ^^^^ libdem4life Mar 2015 #30
right now sabbat hunter Mar 2015 #27
Not exactly the top of the list for run-of-the-mill tourists, I'll bet. freshwest Feb 2015 #21
Oh, wow, I'm sure Americans are terrified of the prospect of making it harder to go to VZ Marksman_91 Mar 2015 #33

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
1. Maduro is really starting to lose it.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 07:40 PM
Feb 2015

With the elections right around the corner, he must be worried about his job.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
2. All else fails, he can just arrest
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 07:56 PM
Feb 2015

more political opponents. It's much easier than actually having to run for office.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
3. It won't surprise me if he declares a national emergency and cancels the elections
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 08:02 PM
Feb 2015

on some bullshit allegation of the US attempting to remove him through a coup attempt.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
5. anyone who doesn't think
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 08:28 PM
Feb 2015

our cia and rich assholes can't or won't be doing this has not been paying attention or are here to push bullshit.

Have a good night I plan too.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
7. Frankly, I don't think Obama gives a damn about Venezuela.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 08:36 PM
Feb 2015

They are doing a number on themselves without Obama spending a dime to speed it along.

They need the US bogeyman though.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
8. I didn't say a thing about obama
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 08:50 PM
Feb 2015

our cia and obama doesn't work together on anything you can bet on that too.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
9. So, John Brennan (appointed by Obama) is going behind the presidents back?
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 08:58 PM
Feb 2015

Or you accuse the CIA of operating behind their own directors back?

I'll go with the proven "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" attitude.

Eugene

(61,964 posts)
11. Maduro says Venezuela captures U.S. citizens linked to espionage
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 09:06 PM
Feb 2015

Source: Reuters

Maduro says Venezuela captures U.S. citizens linked to espionage

BY DIEGO ORE AND BRIAN ELLSWORTH
CARACAS Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:50pm EST

(Reuters) - Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro said on Saturday his government had captured Americans, including a pilot, involved in espionage activities and said U.S. citizens in the future will have to seek visas to come to the OPEC nation.

Speaking during a rally, he said his government will prohibit some U.S. officials from entering Venezuela in retaliation for a similar measure by the government of President Barack Obama against a group of Venezuelan public officials.

"We have captured some U.S. citizens in undercover activities, espionage, trying to win over people in towns along the Venezuelan coast," he said, adding one was a U.S. pilot taken in the convulsed border state of Tachira.

"In Tachira we captured a pilot of a U.S. plane (who is) of Latin origin (carrying) all kinds of documentation," Maduro said, without offering details.

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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/01/us-venezuela-usa-idUSKBN0LX10J20150301

christx30

(6,241 posts)
14. Going after invisible enemies
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 10:23 PM
Feb 2015

is easier to trying to figure out how to govern and run an economy.
And why try to actually run a campaign and get elected? All you have to do is arrest your opponents and you can't lose! That's democracy at work, yessiree!

christx30

(6,241 posts)
16. Maduro is awesome.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 10:27 PM
Feb 2015

He was able to take a glut of bolivars, and a shortage of toilet paper, and solve both problems at once!

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
18. I really don't understand this obsession with Venezuela.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 11:04 PM
Feb 2015

No other Latin American country gets anywhere near the same sustained attention and invective here.

Colombia murdered thousands of innocent people in recent years and there was hardly a peep here (except for the indefatigable and invaluable Judy Lynn).

Mexico, right next door and with more than 100 million people, hardly gets mentioned, although God knows there's plenty to criticize down there.

Could it be because Venezuela is socialist? And this DU wrecking crew is just the same old red-baiting McCarthyites doing their same old schtick in a brand new century? That's what it smells like.

Do any you actually care about the people of Venezuela? I don't think so. You just want to knock down a regime that sticks in your craw.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
19. VZ is the most virulently hostile towards the United States.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 11:09 PM
Feb 2015

Moreso than Cuba or Iran.

Just behind North Korea.

That, and they have oil.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
20. Only because there are some determined hypocrites who defend undemocratic behavior
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 11:15 PM
Feb 2015

Do you see anyone here defending Columbia?
Do you see anyone here defending Mexico?

No. If you did, then you would see lots of posts and debate on those two countries.

Venezuela? Well, there is a set of posters that are willing to ignore non-democratic behavior just because they are supposedly socialist (and I don't think they even deserve the term socialist).

You also see Putin defenders who ignore his behavior just because he is anti-US.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
22. No, I didn't see too many defending Colombia.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 11:26 PM
Feb 2015

They were too busy yelling about a jailed politician or demonizing Chavez to even notice that mass murder taking place in Colombia with billions of US foreign assistance. Funny that.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
29. Colombia has been more akin to a civil war with the associated atrocities
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 05:23 PM
Mar 2015

than it has been to a functioning state until very recently.

rightwing militias, FARC, and the cartels all trying to outdo one another.

Judi Lynn

(160,645 posts)
32. The US and the corporate media couldn't have loved Colombia's President Uribe, a "Teflon Don" more.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 06:11 PM
Mar 2015

Anyone who has actually kept track of his actions, his administration, his military, his relatives, his cabinet, his scandals knows something very, very strange has happened, considering the U.S. Defense Department even knew he was a close ally of Pablo Escobar, when they covered him in a report during Bill Clinton's Presidency, 1999.

According to everything the US corporate media every published, this little creep has never done anything wrong, although there are people living in nightmares in Colombia now due to the massacres, public torturing with chainsaws, etc., voter REAL intimidation (paramilitaries going into the voting booths with the voters) conducted in Colombia during his terms there.

All this information has been confirmed by testimony in court, with people like Francisco Villalba getting murdered after their testimonies.

[center]~ ~ ~[/center]
The Assassination of Francisco Villalba, Alvaro Uribe and the massacre of El Aro

Posted on April 30, 2011 by csn

His name was Francisco Enrique Villalba Hernández, alias “Christian Barreto.” He was

condemned along with two of the biggest paramilitary bosses, Carlos Castaño and Salvator

Mancuso, for the massacre of El Aro; the last two [men] for 40 years in prison and Villalba for

33 years and 4 months. Alias Christian Barreto surrendered himself up to justice February 13,

1998, three months after the said massacre, in order to relieve his conscience. After from the

testimonies he offered last year before the General District Attorney of the Nation and Congress

of the Republic, he was assassinated April 23, 2009.


The massacre of El Aro has been one of the cruelest committed by the paramilitaries: during

one week they fought freely in the zone, committing outrages against its inhabitants and their

possessions: “With all the parsimony of the case, how they knew full well that no one would

stop their calculated carnage, they caught, tortured and humiliated 17 victims, burned 42 of the

60 homes, robbed 1,200 animals and forced 702 people to flee in order to save their lives. The

accounts of the acts are horrific: Dismemberment, rape, looting. Marco Aurelio Areiza (64 years

old), the shopkeeper of the town, was tied up, tortured, and his eyes, heart, and testicles were

removed.”


The initial testimony of Villalba and others corroborated more with the sentence of the

Interamerican Court of Human Rights, which condemned the Colombian State for the facts,

in a rebellion that summarized the horror of the paramilitary violence in the country. Even

this sentence signals that “Colombia renounced its international responsibility…in view of the

participation of their agents and their actions”.


The cited texts that reconstructed the events talk about how the government of Antioquia lost

support, as well as the military and the police, but the authorities don’t help the poor, and

even “Members of the army have been driving cattle,” robbing the peasants. That fact formed

part of the bloody paramilitary strategy in order to combat the guerilla, to divest goods and land

to peasants, to protect the landowners and take control of regions full of drug trafficking. The

massacres of the townships of El Aro and La Granja, municipals of Ituango, were committed

in development of Antioquia and the regions that were under the influence of the guerilla,

according to the renounced paramilitary leader Salvator Mancuso. He also admitted that the

paramilitary fighters are sons of the Colombian state, and that they received training and

weapons by part of the general forces of the State. This strategy found a fertile plot of land

for the development in the private cooperatives named Coexist, legalized and supported in the

department of Antioquia and the 1990’s, during the government of Alvaro Uribe.

More:
http://colombiasupport.net/2011/04/the-assassination-of-francisco-villalba-alvaro-uribe-and-the-massacre-of-el-aro/

[center]



Francisco Villalba, on the left.[/center]

Judi Lynn

(160,645 posts)
28. We've had "DU'ers" here defending Colombia for years and years.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 05:12 PM
Mar 2015

Last edited Sun Mar 1, 2015, 05:51 PM - Edit history (1)

They've fought like madmen defending a monstrous president, Alvaro Uribe from the first.

Here's the first grab I found in a search:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110820113

Another:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11082088

ETC., ETC., ETC., ETC., ETC., ETC.

Upon re-edit:

Here's an excellent source with valuable information for how this country has been working, and you will note the fact, also available at other sites, that the paramilitaries, and the Colombian security forces are responsible for almost ALL the massacres, etc., while the guerrillas for only a tiny percentage.

Verifiable at Amnesty International, etc. Paramilitaries have accomplished the "lion's share" of the murders in Colombia.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
31. Just goes to prove there are some who will defend any behavior
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 05:52 PM
Mar 2015

Columbia, Venezuela, Russia, their are hypocrites enough to fill a defenders club.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
26. Columbia and Mexico are doing business they way our government wants
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 01:46 PM
Mar 2015

Venezuela is not.

Nothing else matters in Washington, not democracy, not income inequality, not human rights, nothing.

All of those other things are excuses not reasons.

sabbat hunter

(6,838 posts)
27. right now
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 02:04 PM
Mar 2015

Venezuela is ruled by the incompetent Maduro. he is perpetuating the cult of Chavez to try and bolster his rule, following Chavez's ideas to the letter, even if they are bad ideas for Venezuela.

Any cult of personality is bad. and a cult of Chavez is no different.

Maduro has to open his eyes and see what is going on in his country and be willing to make changes from what Chavez laid down, without having to kowtow to the US (or cuba or any other state) if he wants to succeed and Venezuela to thrive.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
21. Not exactly the top of the list for run-of-the-mill tourists, I'll bet.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 11:21 PM
Feb 2015
Hopefully, those who live in the USA who are going to visit family, won't be blocked from seeing them.

 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
33. Oh, wow, I'm sure Americans are terrified of the prospect of making it harder to go to VZ
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 04:57 PM
Mar 2015

If Maduro said that he would stop selling oil to the US, then I would say he has balls. Not this, though, this is just throwing a bone to what little supporters he has left.

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