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inanna

(3,547 posts)
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 01:55 PM Mar 2015

K-Cup Inventor John Sylvan Admits He Doesn't Use 'Expensive' Coffee Pods

Source: ABC News

Mar 4, 2015, 12:21 PM ET

John Sylvan, the inventor of K-Cups, admits he doesn't use his hugely popular product and laments their impact on the environment.

Sylvan not only laments that K-Cups, which are found in many households and offices around the country, contribute to waste, but that they're expensive, too.

“I feel bad sometimes that I ever did it," Sylvan told The Atlantic.

“I don't have one. They're kind of expensive to use,” Sylvan said about the coffee pods experience. “Plus it’s not like drip coffee is tough to make.”

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Business/cup-inventor-john-sylvan-admits-expensive-coffee-pods/story?id=29382481



Gotta appreciate the guy's honesty. I don't have a keurig due to the cost of the cups.
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K-Cup Inventor John Sylvan Admits He Doesn't Use 'Expensive' Coffee Pods (Original Post) inanna Mar 2015 OP
I use a pot with an auto dip and buy coffee buy the pound iandhr Mar 2015 #1
those pod things are such a scam uhnope Mar 2015 #26
Those pod things are great in an office environment jmowreader Mar 2015 #45
yeah they're fine if you don't think about the trash gyres and marine life with pods in their stomac wordpix Mar 2015 #58
I found a one serving coffee pot that uses plain coffee csziggy Mar 2015 #35
I just started roasting my own... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #37
I'm saving the cups to use as seed planters. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2015 #2
But you don't have to buy the cups, delete_bush Mar 2015 #10
That one doesn't work very well. jeff47 Mar 2015 #13
Thanks, delete_bush Mar 2015 #19
I use a different version of those, too. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2015 #27
Why don't you just make less coffee? riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #29
How will that make the oil/plastics/packaging industry rich? valerief Mar 2015 #31
I have one of these single chip and uses regular ground coffee tammywammy Mar 2015 #50
This Keurig product carla Mar 2015 #32
The Chemex setups were great, too, but using their filters did make a difference Warpy Mar 2015 #44
stop buying them! geesh, people throw out plastic planters, just get some for free wordpix Mar 2015 #59
I still think it is the most expensive, wasteful and disgustingly weak coffee out there. Xyzse Mar 2015 #3
I disagree.... Adrahil Mar 2015 #46
That's fine. I've never had a decent cup from one, so I don't know how some people have had them. Xyzse Mar 2015 #56
Hey fair enough.... Adrahil Mar 2015 #62
and when boiling hot water goes through plastic wordpix Mar 2015 #66
Yeah, I thought about that too. Xyzse Mar 2015 #68
The idea of filling the landfills tosh Mar 2015 #4
If I ever get one, I will fill my own cups.....Whole family uses and wastes plastic, sickening. joanbarnes Mar 2015 #5
Guy sold the company for only $50,000 Ohio4theWin Mar 2015 #6
No kidding! nt elias49 Mar 2015 #53
And then there is that Keurig 2.0 garbage... SoapBox Mar 2015 #7
I wish there was a decent drip that made one cup. jeff47 Mar 2015 #8
I have a solution for you PennyK Mar 2015 #16
I agree--pour over can make the best regular coffee, though I use a Nespresso for lattes. hlthe2b Mar 2015 #22
Melitta used to make a great little one cup drip coffeemaker back in the day. gvstn Mar 2015 #33
Melita is great awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #39
Not a fan of the pour over. Adrahil Mar 2015 #47
go and get yourself one of these now.... IcyPeas Mar 2015 #23
That's basically a french press. jeff47 Mar 2015 #25
You make it sound like having a kettle is a bad thing muriel_volestrangler Mar 2015 #61
I LOVE my stovetop espresso maker arikara Mar 2015 #24
I use one of these tammywammy Mar 2015 #51
try a #2 coffee cone, the French press and moka pot wordpix Mar 2015 #60
There's a easy hack/workaround for that DRM garbage android fan Mar 2015 #18
awful coffee - I roast my own beans, and we use a French press. we even travel NRaleighLiberal Mar 2015 #9
Now that is some dedication! lol... inanna Mar 2015 #14
Ok... Now THAT is coffee snobbery! Adrahil Mar 2015 #48
you are wasting a lot of time snooper2 Mar 2015 #57
not even remotely true NRaleighLiberal Mar 2015 #63
They're great for offices TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2015 #11
What is wrong with our economic system? Trillo Mar 2015 #12
We use the re-useable cup. progressoid Mar 2015 #15
You dont need to buy the cups themselves though you can just use a reusable filter now. cstanleytech Mar 2015 #17
duh. i hate that coffee. its for anal people who are neat freaks or lazy. pansypoo53219 Mar 2015 #20
I have an old percolator. Works great. I can make up to 12 cups in it. Perks in no time. nt valerief Mar 2015 #30
The stainless steel models tavernier Mar 2015 #41
Percolator? Adrahil Mar 2015 #49
I have a Nespresso machine for espresso type drinks... They have a great capsule recycling program. hlthe2b Mar 2015 #21
I can't believe people actually buy that shit. When I first saw them, I could only think valerief Mar 2015 #28
A good, old fashioned, 12 cup coffee pot is all I ever need. phleshdef Mar 2015 #34
Don't you need a leisure suit to own one ? olddots Mar 2015 #36
Brewed coffee is the best. roody Mar 2015 #38
San Francisco Bay brand makes a Kcup that's 97% biodegradable. When I used them, I thought Stardust Mar 2015 #40
I picked up a Mr Coffee 5-cup. it has the permanent filter and makes 1 to 5 cups. CentralMass Mar 2015 #42
I used to refill the plastic ones Flying Squirrel Mar 2015 #43
I drink way too much coffee, Alkene Mar 2015 #52
There's only one way to make good coffee Scootaloo Mar 2015 #54
coffee time yikes1 Mar 2015 #55
You get these little pods that you can put regular coffee in workinclasszero Mar 2015 #64
problem is not solved - stop using plastics for coffee and then it's solved wordpix Mar 2015 #65
??? workinclasszero Mar 2015 #67

jmowreader

(50,567 posts)
45. Those pod things are great in an office environment
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 06:49 AM
Mar 2015

No one has to remember to clean the pot. No one takes the last cup and leaves it empty. There are a LOT of advantages to these things in an office.

A Keurig is a bit like a time clock that spews joe out the bottom, tho; they're fine in the office but why in hell would you want one at home?

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
58. yeah they're fine if you don't think about the trash gyres and marine life with pods in their stomac
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 10:40 AM
Mar 2015

you should give your office mates a little education and get one yourself about plastics in the environment

csziggy

(34,139 posts)
35. I found a one serving coffee pot that uses plain coffee
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 05:55 PM
Mar 2015

No pods, filters (unless you get fine ground), or waste. It only makes as much as I can drink in one cup so there is even less waste than if I made a small pot at a time. The amount made at one time is adjustable, too, unlike pod or K-cup coffee makers. I just add the correct amount of water for the cup size I want to make, put in enough coffee for that amount and punch the button.

It's The Scoop by Hamilton Beach - http://www.hamiltonbeach.com/single-cup-coffee-makers-the-scoop-single-serve-coffee-maker-49981.html

I've gone from throwing out coffee when I mis-judged how much water to put in the pot to having no waste at all. Even the coffee makers with reservoirs that I used to use were far more wasteful than this one.

I did pick up some very finely ground coffee at the after Christmas sales that made sludge - I just cut some of the left over filters (from the coffee maker that died) down to fit and that problem was solved.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
37. I just started roasting my own...
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 06:02 PM
Mar 2015

in the coffee world there is something called the rule of 15. Green beans are good for 15 weeks, roasted beans for 15 days, and ground beans for 15 minutes. Yes, it is kind of general, but is pretty close in actual practice. Since I don't drink a lot of coffee, I can roast small amounts at a time. Oh, and the quality is much better. A roaster will set you back $300, but after that initial outlay the coffee is cheaper, and better. Plus, you can play with different roasting times for darker or lighter roasts. Good coffee doesn't need sugar.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,900 posts)
2. I'm saving the cups to use as seed planters.
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 01:57 PM
Mar 2015

I never buy the cups unless they are very much on sale, but I can almost always find a sale. I do agree that the cups are a problem because unless you take them apart they can't be recycled. So I'm finding other uses for them - if you take off the top they are a good size for starting seeds.

delete_bush

(1,712 posts)
10. But you don't have to buy the cups,
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 02:16 PM
Mar 2015

you can get an insert and use any coffee you like.

We have a Keurig and it's great because it makes one cup at a time, as needed.



jeff47

(26,549 posts)
13. That one doesn't work very well.
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 02:27 PM
Mar 2015

The problem with that one is you get a lot of water that doesn't pass through the coffee grounds.

The best I've found is one that was in our local grocery store that uses paper filters, and has a spring on the bottom to pack the coffee together and leave no space for the water to bypass the coffee. Though you have to pull the spring out of the bottom of the unit to get enough coffee into the filter.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,900 posts)
27. I use a different version of those, too.
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 03:59 PM
Mar 2015

I feel kind of guilty using the K-cups, but I like the single-cup capabiity of the Keurig because I end up making a lot of coffee I don't drink. The reusable ones are definitely better, but I am trying to re-use the K-cups whenever possible.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
29. Why don't you just make less coffee?
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 04:07 PM
Mar 2015

i can easily make a single cup in my drip coffee maker if I wanted to. Just put in enough coffee and water for one cup. Alternately I've used a coffee filter with the coffee inside, closed with a twist tie. Pour the hot water over the coffee bag and it functions like a tea bag. I then compost the coffee bag and re-use the twist tie.


tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
50. I have one of these single chip and uses regular ground coffee
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 07:43 AM
Mar 2015
http://www.target.com/p/bella-single-brew-coffee-maker-various-colors/-/A-15090060#prodSlot=medium_1_28

On the weekends I use a French press or stove top espresso maker, but during the week if I make coffee before work I use this. Plus I bought one of the same for my office at work.

carla

(553 posts)
32. This Keurig product
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 04:21 PM
Mar 2015

is a redo of the famous Latin American "colador de cafe". It is a white cotton filter funnel mounted on a wire ring attached to a wooden handle. It makes the best coffee after an espresso machine.A colador costs about 3$ and lasts for years if washed after usage. This plastic junk is expensive, polluting and UNNECESSARY!

Warpy

(111,383 posts)
44. The Chemex setups were great, too, but using their filters did make a difference
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 04:39 AM
Mar 2015

They were only slightly more expensive and they did biodegrade. Were I a coffee drinker, I'd get another one of those or a French press, they both make great coffee and are far cheaper than an espresso machine.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
59. stop buying them! geesh, people throw out plastic planters, just get some for free
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 10:42 AM
Mar 2015

you're contributing to the plastic morass we're in

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
3. I still think it is the most expensive, wasteful and disgustingly weak coffee out there.
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 01:58 PM
Mar 2015

I am just not a fan.

I've never had a decent cup of coffee from any keurig machine. It always comes out and tastes like dirty colored water.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
46. I disagree....
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 07:13 AM
Mar 2015

They can produce very good coffee. I love them when they are in hotel rooms.

But they are not efficient and I don't own one. I have a quality drip coffee maker with a thermal carafe (so no nasty burnt coffee).

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
56. That's fine. I've never had a decent cup from one, so I don't know how some people have had them.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 10:20 AM
Mar 2015

Still, my experience is not necessarily other people's experience, but from what I have had, it sucks.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
66. and when boiling hot water goes through plastic
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 12:04 PM
Mar 2015

you're getting the toxins in the plastic in your system. Hello, cancer and neurological disorders

tosh

(4,424 posts)
4. The idea of filling the landfills
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 02:00 PM
Mar 2015

- and the oceans - with such ridiculous waste is appalling to me.

I'll never own a keurig.

 

Ohio4theWin

(60 posts)
6. Guy sold the company for only $50,000
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 02:04 PM
Mar 2015

if I were him, I couldn't use the product without getting sick knowing I left hundreds of millions on the table. (K cup is worth several billion to Green Mountain, the owners)

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
7. And then there is that Keurig 2.0 garbage...
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 02:07 PM
Mar 2015

Where Keurig designed a sensor into the machine that only allows officially licensed (which means even more expensive) K-cups...you can't even use the refillable types or local store brands.

However, smart folks have found ways to get around the sensor but all seem like a waste of time...a regular old drip maker is so much easier...and you can buy such machines to make a wide variety of amounts, from one cup to infinity.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
8. I wish there was a decent drip that made one cup.
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 02:15 PM
Mar 2015

We've got a Keurig at home, because I'm the only one drinking coffee, and I have one occasional cup at home (mostly I drink it at work).

We got the Keurig when we couldn't find a drip coffee maker that did a decent job of making one cup of coffee. The "small" ones really only worked well if you're brewing at least 3-ish cups.

So we got a refillable pod for the Keurig brewer. Still uses more coffee than a drip would for 1 cup, but less than brewing 3 cups just to throw two away.

Looked at a french press, but that started to rival the Keurig in cost when you get a decent one and add on something like a kettle to quickly heat the water.

PennyK

(2,302 posts)
16. I have a solution for you
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 02:37 PM
Mar 2015

The Melitta Pour Overs.
It's a holder that sits atop a cup. You just put the grounds in it and the brewed coffee just goes into your cup. You do have to boil water separately, but it's a lot simpler than a French Press. They make a few model, some with their own cup or thermal carafe. I got one that makes a small potful, and it tastes very good! It's now my official backup for when my regular machine (a Cuisinart) dies or for when I just want one or two cups (or if I need regular and decaf at the same time).

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
33. Melitta used to make a great little one cup drip coffeemaker back in the day.
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 04:55 PM
Mar 2015


I loved those things. Your mug was heated as your coffee brewed so it stayed hot longer. Black and Decker tried but the coffee never tasted as good as Melitta. Gone for about 20 years so no use looking.
 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
47. Not a fan of the pour over.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 07:17 AM
Mar 2015

The coffee always tastes weird to me.... But it is still a better solution than the pod machines for efficiency.

IcyPeas

(21,916 posts)
23. go and get yourself one of these now....
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 03:17 PM
Mar 2015

It makes the best cup of coffee ever. It's like a melita drip cone except you can let it sit and brew for a couple of minutes, then once you place it on your cup, the valve opens up and drips the coffee. You can thank me later.

http://ineedcoffee.com/clever-coffee-dripper-review/

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
25. That's basically a french press.
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 03:22 PM
Mar 2015

And runs into the same need-something-to-heat-the-water-quickly problem that makes it rival a cheap Keurig.

Not saying it's bad, we just went with the other option.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,390 posts)
61. You make it sound like having a kettle is a bad thing
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 10:54 AM
Mar 2015

A kettle is versatile. As well as giving you the water for coffee, it gives you the water for tea. And for stocks, unless you always make yours entirely from scratch. And for instant soups, if you like those. And instant noodles. And ...

arikara

(5,562 posts)
24. I LOVE my stovetop espresso maker
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 03:20 PM
Mar 2015

Stainless steel, makes one perfect cup and I only paid $35 for it. There is no garbage to deal with and the grounds just flip into the compost bin easier than for the French press.

I used to use a French press but a good one is expensive, the cheap ones don't last; and they use way more water for cleaning out all the grounds.

Just a hint if you decide to buy one, make sure its stainless not aluminum; and also make sure you buy a type that you can get replacements for the little silicon ring. That's the only part on it that can cause issues.

 

android fan

(214 posts)
18. There's a easy hack/workaround for that DRM garbage
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 02:44 PM
Mar 2015

I agree that Keurig went too far.

I own one, because my wife likes it, but it is not 2.0, just the regular kind.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,026 posts)
9. awful coffee - I roast my own beans, and we use a French press. we even travel
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 02:16 PM
Mar 2015

with the beans and a grinder! Need that morning coffee to be great....

inanna

(3,547 posts)
14. Now that is some dedication! lol...
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 02:27 PM
Mar 2015

I have a grinder myself. Love it.

I have never used a french press though....

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
48. Ok... Now THAT is coffee snobbery!
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 07:21 AM
Mar 2015

I raise my cup to you, sir!

I do grind my own beans (most of the time), but I draw the line there!

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
11. They're great for offices
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 02:25 PM
Mar 2015

but you can get better coffee than anything in one of those little cups. I like fresh ground.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
12. What is wrong with our economic system?
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 02:26 PM
Mar 2015

This guy invented and profited from a device he doesn't use. Profit is not always a dirty word, everyone is forced by our system to make money to survive, the majority does that via employment, but it is not the only way to make money honestly. Nobody knows in advance whether something they create will be a marketing success, and if it is successful, how successful.

What is wrong with our economic system that folks are, for the lack of a better word, driven to create and market products such as this expensive coffee-making system?

pansypoo53219

(21,004 posts)
20. duh. i hate that coffee. its for anal people who are neat freaks or lazy.
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 02:54 PM
Mar 2015

tho starbucks makes a lot of trash. i tried 2 times to make a decent cup. they will never ever be FRESH ground. the waste. shit. i eliminated my coffee maker cause it was bad. keep the filter holder + drip into my mug. heck, i need to get an old percolator to try that again. i used to make good coffee in it.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
49. Percolator?
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 07:24 AM
Mar 2015

Dude.... No.

Percolators are awful. My in-laws still use one and.... Blech!

The coffee tastes burnt from the first cup.

hlthe2b

(102,419 posts)
21. I have a Nespresso machine for espresso type drinks... They have a great capsule recycling program.
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 02:55 PM
Mar 2015

They are expensive, however; but cheap compared to Starbucks or other coffee shop.

I use a cheapo drip maker much of the time or a pour-over system for a cup or two. The latter actually makes better coffee.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
28. I can't believe people actually buy that shit. When I first saw them, I could only think
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 04:06 PM
Mar 2015

of (1) how much waste they produce, (2) how truly stupid they are (hell, they still sell instant coffee if you only want one cup), and (3) how only the oil/plastics/packaging industry benefits from them.

Stardust

(3,894 posts)
40. San Francisco Bay brand makes a Kcup that's 97% biodegradable. When I used them, I thought
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 08:19 PM
Mar 2015

the quality was good and they are cheaper than the other brands. My budget only allows me to use
the refillable Kcups now and, boy, are they messy—coffee grounds take on a life of their own! I've never found a coffee maker that makes a decent single serve, until the Keurig. I'm bookmarking this thread for suggestions for when my Keurig dies.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
42. I picked up a Mr Coffee 5-cup. it has the permanent filter and makes 1 to 5 cups.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 12:09 AM
Mar 2015

It was cheap and makes a great single cup and it keeps the pot hot. I also use it to brew tea. I throw a teabag in the filter, add water and have a cup for my drive to work in a couple of minutes. It uses much less power the a large 12 cup maker.

 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
43. I used to refill the plastic ones
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 03:28 AM
Mar 2015

Just took off the top, cleaned it out then replaced the top with packing tape. Worked great. But more hassle than it was worth, so just went back to making a pot. I didn't buy the k-cup machine in the first place, my girlfriend did.

Alkene

(752 posts)
52. I drink way too much coffee,
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 08:27 AM
Mar 2015

but I make it as a standard drip so I can compost the unbleached filters, and mix the used grounds with crushed eggshells, peat moss, playground sand and native soil to yield a useful starter/seedling mix.

And I prefer espresso-grind granularity PCC Breakfast Blend- fair trade, shade grown, reasonably priced.

Might as well be responsible, albeit jittery.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
54. There's only one way to make good coffee
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 08:41 AM
Mar 2015

You grind it into a super-fine powder. Light roasted beans only!
take your ibrik.

Add sugar to your ibrik.
Add water to your ibrik
Add coffee to your ibrik.
do not stir or large men will come to your house and rearrange your dental fillings
Heat. Gently.
do not boil or smaller men will come to your house and abscond with your housepets
do not look away or you'll have a mess.
When it foams to the lip of your ibrik, take it off heat.
Now you can stir.
Return to heat. Foam again.
Remove
Stir
Heat to foam.
Remove.
Don't stir. No worry of large men, it's just not optimal.
Scoop out foam. you can put it in your cup or your garbage, up to you.
Pour. Milk is of course optional.
You now have coffee that is worth your time to drink.


Or you know, I guess you can squeeze boiled fish-piss through burnt grit and slurp the slop that results. Whatever floats your boat.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
64. You get these little pods that you can put regular coffee in
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 11:50 AM
Mar 2015

so its cheap and reusable.

Problems solved.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
67. ???
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 12:09 PM
Mar 2015

Really? One pod lasts years and years, I'm sure.

If you want to be outraged about plastics how about those plastic rings they use to hold a six pack of soda together? They are all over the oceans of the world killing wild life that get trapped in them.

Or plastic shopping bags that are a part of the environment now. I just saw a lot of those off the side of the highway yesterday because the snow all melted away and revealed the trash all over.

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