U.S. Voters Back 2-1 Sending Troops To Fight Isis, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds
Source: Quinnipiac University
American voters support 62 - 30 percent sending U.S. ground troops to fight ISIS in Iraq and Syria, with strong support across all party, gender and age groups, according to a Quinnipiac University National poll released today.
Men back U.S. troop deployment 68 - 28 percent, while women support it 57 - 33 percent, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University Poll finds.
A total of 69 percent of American voters are "very confident" or "somewhat confident" that the U.S. and its allies will defeat ISIS. Only 39 percent of voters are concerned that U.S. military action will go "too far" in getting involved in the situation, while 53 percent are more concerned the U.S. military "will not go far enough in stopping ISIS."
Voters say 64 - 23 percent Congress should grant the authorization requested by President Barack Obama to use military force against ISIS.
Read more: http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2171
Robbins
(5,066 posts)The american people are suckers.supporting getting dragged into an ongoing war In iraq and syria.They have learned nothing in last 13 years.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)forest444
(5,902 posts)because the last time voters "felt" this way, we triggered the chain of events that led to ISIS in the first place.
Those who forget history...
Grins
(7,239 posts)"If you support the need to send U.S. ground troops to fight ISIS in Iraq and Syria, do you also support the tax increase needed to pay for that troop deployment?"
<Sound of crickets....>
pkdu
(3,977 posts)Are you willing;
a) to be drafted
b) have your kids be drafted
c) have your grand-kids drafted
d) have your other family and friends drafted
LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)The American public has been so desensitized and conditioned to thinking the armed forces are some Hollywood invention that always wins, never does anything remotely criminal, their motives are directed by superiors with only noble intentions, and they are all knighted as "heros".
Its like voting if you want to watch another exciting block buster war movie where its predetermined the "good guys", of which you can claim as peers, (with all the weapons) win again!
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)What you say "never does anything remotely criminal, their motives are directed by superiors with only noble intentions" is very important.
"Battle of Fallujah" started the chain of events that led to ISIS.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)Now run that survey again.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)turbinetree
(24,726 posts)Then re-instate the DRAFT and see how many supporters there are for this issue for sending AMERICANS (this is not a conflict by fiat for just the poor and working class) and if they the supporters still support this, then have language requiring that ALL the representatives have there children enlist with no deferments and the first ones called up should be the Bush, Cheney, Powell, Wolfiwitz, Rice, Yoo, Bolton and the other players in this region and there children, THEY caused this mess when they brought there republican -----libertarian form of deceit and deception and LIES lies onto the playing field, and so far there has been beheadings, 4,600 dead (Americans not including the coalition of the willing) and over two trillion in debt placed on a credit card
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I bet most of those 62% idiots think that those soldiers we send (back) to die fighting ISIS are "defending our freedom".
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)the dangerous complexity of what is going on there. Our troops would be caught between ISIS and its Sunni sympathizers, unreliable Sunni tribal militias of the "Awakening" sort that we bribe with money and weapons to fight, regular Iraqi army, Shiite militias, and Iranian military. All of whom have issues with each other and want revenge for various and sundry shit--plus we don't exactly get along with Iran. What a fucking nightmare.
karynnj
(59,507 posts)The 49th question spells out what is asked for in the resolution that Obama gave Congress.
(Intro Q49-54: Now here are a few questions about the Islamic militant group often referred to as ISIS that controls some areas of Iraq and Syria.) President Obama has asked Congress to authorize the use of military force against ISIS for a period of three years with no geographical limitations. The authorization would allow using U.S. ground troops for limited operations but would rule out using them for long term operations. Do you support or oppose Congress passing this authorization?
AGE IN YRS.......
Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom 18-34 35-54 55+
Support 64% 60% 72% 64% 69% 59% 63% 73% 59%
Oppose 23 28 16 24 24 23 24 19 27
DK/NA 13 12 12 12 8 18 13 8 14
The question on ground troops is not limited by anything, but as it is asked as question 51, with a question of whether ISIS is a threat in between, it is very likely many people - especially if they supported Obama's resolution - would infer the conditions from question 49.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)most people would want some controls on how big we blow this thing up. I doubt most people want the scope of what we had until 2010/2011.
karynnj
(59,507 posts)If they agree that he needs authorization and people agree that he should do what he has proposed, they likely will say yes.
A big concern is that, though I trust Obama, what if the next President is a Republican. The authorization is still good for a year. (The counter to this concern is that from 2003 and recently, we see that in fact President's have a lot of leeway anyway.)
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)they could change the authorization as the new President wishes, at that point. But I doubt it will even pass. Jack Reed doesn't support the three-year limit, for example, and he's pretty instrumental in getting that through the Armed Services Committee, so it will be changed or left out.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,245 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)In fact, it's the reason ISIS exists today. Remember when we invaded Iraq? This is how well that turned out.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Military privatization, however, is not simply an abstract process that unfolds
in the same way across space and time. Crucial to understanding the rise of
TCN labor in particular was the post-Cold War militarys shift to a new center of
gravity: the Persian Gulf. The 1990 Iraqi invasion of Kuwait marked a major
shift in the global U.S. military posture, with the deployment of large ground
forces to Saudi Arabia and Kuwait as a counterbalance to both Iraq and Iran.
Since then, U.S. bases in the Gulf have been key staging areas for operations in
Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere. Unlike the major overseas hubs of the Cold
War military in Western Europe and East Asia, the Gulf economies were built in
large part on foreign migrant labor. Large numbers of noncitizens reside in Qatar
(86.5 percent of the population), the U.A.E. (70 percent), Kuwait (68.8 percent),
Bahrain (39.1 percent), and Saudi Arabia (27.8 percent).40 Indeed, the military
and police services of the Arab Gulf states themselves also make extensive use of
foreign labor, at both the rank-and-file and officer levels. The U.A.E. and Qatari
militaries employ large numbers of contractors from Pakistan, Egypt, and other
countries.41 Bahrains extensive reliance on Pakistanis and other foreigners has
attracted considerable attention since the 2011 uprising.42
The Gulf states migrant-driven economy converged with the changes in
U.S. military logistics: Companies specializing in recruiting migrant labor for
construction, logistics, and security in the petroleum and related industries were
well-poised to lend their services to the U.S. military. Over preceding decades,
Gulf regimes crushed budding labor movements that emerged around the oil industry43
and replaced them with large numbers of migrants, all while extending
state largesse to pacify and co-opt the citizenry. In contrast, contractors at the
major U.S. airbase at İncirlik, Turkey, were forced into arbitration with local unions
after major strikes in the late 1980s and early 1990s. One U.S. military contractor
complained of the Turkish workers having a home-field advantage;44 in
countries such as Kuwait, such concerns did not exist. As a result, large U.S. military
contractors such as KBR, DynCorp, and Fluor can draw from a variety of
smaller multinational companies to recruit and transfer workers through the
Gulf. One Dubai-based company operating on bases in Afghanistan, Ecolog,
was founded by an ethnic Albanian entrepreneur providing services to NATO
peacekeepers in Kosovo.45 One of the leading recruiters of Ugandan security
guards for the U.S. military, Dreshak Group, is also based in Dubai but was
founded in Pakistan.46
C. Exploitation and Abuse
Human rights activists and journalists have done considerable work in exposing
the abuses faced by TCNs from poor countries, whose situation has been likened to indentured servitude or slavery.47 While service members and
TCNs may work side by side on U.S. bases, a complex web of entities often
shields the U.S. government from responsibility for TCN workers. Prime contractors
hire subcontractors (often foreign companies) to fulfill specific task orders.
Subcontractors in turn use recruiting agencies to find and bring workers
from other locations. In practice, there may be even more subcontractors and
other intermediaries involved. Between the links in the contracting chain, responsibility
is often obscured or displaced, facilitating abuse and exploitation.
These problems are, of course, endemic to many situations of labor migration
around the world; for TCNs, however, the employer is ultimately the U.S. government.
The plaintiffs allegations in Adhikari v. Daoud, a lawsuit that has been
pending in the U.S. District Court in the Southern District of Texas since 2008,
illustrate some of the most egregious practices concerning TCNs. The plaintiffs
in Adhikari, mostly deceased and proceeding through kin, were Nepalis allegedly
promised jobs in luxury hotels in Jordan that paid $500 per month.48 They were
hired by a Nepali labor recruiter working on contract with a Jordanian job brokerage
company and transported by another Jordanian company to Amman, all at
the behest of Daoud and Partners, a Jordanian firm that was in turn subcontracted
by KBR.49 After each paying up to $3,500 in recruitment feespaid for by
loans charging exorbitant interestthe plaintiffs arrived in Jordan only to have
their passports taken away.50 They were then put in an unprotected convoy
bound for Al Asad Air Force base in Ramadi, northern Iraq.51 Along the way,
Iraqi rebels seized a dozen of the Nepalis; they beheaded one and executed the
others with gunshots to the head.52
http://www.uclalawreview.org/?p=6348
Those 2-1 idiots don't realize this is what they're supporting or don't care that they're supporting this. And besides a political solution is the only way to solve IS.
The allegations in Adhikari echo
pampango
(24,692 posts)that Obama will show 'leadership' in not basing policy on poll numbers. I expect, as you seem to, that he will indeed show leadership.
Of course, when I agree with public opinion, I expect politicians to act accordingly and not show 'leadership'.
tridim
(45,358 posts)asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)I don't believe this poll - or, there are just too many ignorant people who climb out from under their rock just for polling..
Stupid, ignorant and a dose of more stupid just for good measure!
Who said add in War tax and bring back the draft - then conduct the poll again..excellent! ..
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,245 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Jaysus H. Christ on a Crutch, people will believe anything!!!
khankiso
(23 posts)I do not believe that no way people are not that stupid. They only polled fox news casters be my guess
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Yavin4
(35,450 posts)Second, how are they going identify ISIS? Is Nike going to design uniforms for them? Finally, how will we know when ISIS is defeated? Are they going to sign some kind of treaty?
secondvariety
(1,245 posts)how much support there is when the body bags start coming home.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)use of Private Military Contractors (Mercenaries) means that much can be hidden. With a Volunteer Army and the Mercs/Contractors its easy for the public to ignore. We don't even get coverage in MSM of the carnage that is going on with the civilian populations who are dislocated from homes, family and businesses living in refugee camps with no way to earn a living or trying to escape to other countries in hopes of a better life. International News shows much of it....but, how many average Americans watch International News or even have it accessible.
One_Life_To_Give
(6,036 posts)Which it would in short order. Like using a combat boot in a room full of Roaches. Might look impressive, but looks can be deceiving.
In the end the lasting solution won't be imposed from thousands of miles away. But will be achieved by the locals refusing to allow it to continue. Untill that is in place the US Military can do little more than mow the weeds.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)Paladin
(28,277 posts)KinMd
(966 posts)(with some form of national service if no military service) along with a tax increase to pay for it all, those numbers would change. People want a war they can watch from their living room couch. And put yellow ribbon stickers on the mini-vans
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)"The people can always be talked into supporting war..." - Goebbels