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uhnope

(6,419 posts)
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 03:18 PM Mar 2015

Russia starts large-scale military exercises in disputed territories

Source: Reuters

(Reuters) - Russia's Defence Ministry said on Thursday that large-scale military exercises had started in southern Russia and in disputed territories on Russia's borders.

The exercises involve over 2,000 anti-aircraft troops and 500 items of weaponry and will last until April 10, Interfax news agency reported. The Defence Ministry said the exercises were taking place in Russia's Southern and North Caucasus Federal Districts, as well as on Russian military bases in Armenia, the Georgian separatist regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia and Ukraine's Crimea region, which Moscow annexed last year.

They are likely to be viewed in the West as a show of force as relations between Russia and the West are at their most strained since the Cold War because of the Ukraine crisis.

Ukraine and the West accuse Russia of directing a separatist assault in eastern Ukraine with its own troops and weapons. Russia has repeatedly denied those accusations.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/05/us-ukraine-crisis-russia-military-idUSKBN0M10RG20150305



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Russia starts large-scale military exercises in disputed territories (Original Post) uhnope Mar 2015 OP
The New Russian Empire is on the move. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #1
And so is NATO. Who's got the biggest dick? Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #2
You watch the VICE video I posted or does real reporting completely fuck with your world view? snooper2 Mar 2015 #3
of course it does. They think DU is Duma Underground uhnope Mar 2015 #12
Total annexations by NATO: 0 NuclearDem Mar 2015 #4
Well maybe you've forgotten how NATO has expanded since 1950 elias49 Mar 2015 #5
Membership is different than annexation. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #6
They were carrot-and-sticked when the USSR broke apart. elias49 Mar 2015 #7
Yeah, and I'm sure Russia's attempted eradication of Baltic culture NuclearDem Mar 2015 #9
Who's the foreigner? elias49 Mar 2015 #14
I was referring to the ignorant assertion NuclearDem Mar 2015 #15
'De-annexed' is not the word. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #13
Expanded =/= annexed. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #8
Well Done! -nt Anansi1171 Mar 2015 #10
Calling BS on "Disputed Territories" MosheFeingold Mar 2015 #11
Historically, that's simply incorrect. Xithras Mar 2015 #16
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
3. You watch the VICE video I posted or does real reporting completely fuck with your world view?
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 03:40 PM
Mar 2015


Dying for the Motherland: Russia's Ghost Army in Ukraine (Part 3)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026317590
 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
5. Well maybe you've forgotten how NATO has expanded since 1950
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 04:21 PM
Mar 2015

"NATO has 12 original founding member nation states and from 18 February 1952 to 1 April 2009 it added 16 more member nations."
You should keep the Warsaw Pact in mind when you wake up.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
6. Membership is different than annexation.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 04:22 PM
Mar 2015

No one forced Lithuania or Estonia to join NATO.

Well, arguably one could argue Russia did . . .

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
7. They were carrot-and-sticked when the USSR broke apart.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 04:39 PM
Mar 2015

They weren't annexed, I guess. They were sort of 'de-annexed'.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
9. Yeah, and I'm sure Russia's attempted eradication of Baltic culture
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 04:44 PM
Mar 2015

and the previous illegal occupation of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Yeah, those stupid foreigners were just tricked into it.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
15. I was referring to the ignorant assertion
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 06:11 PM
Mar 2015

that the Baltics were tricked into joining NATO, when that damn well wasn't the case. They had plenty of reason to seek NATO membership.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
8. Expanded =/= annexed.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 04:42 PM
Mar 2015

What on earth does the Warsaw Pact which hasn't existed since 1991 have to do with this?

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
11. Calling BS on "Disputed Territories"
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 05:22 PM
Mar 2015

Now, before anyone thinks I am a hawk, I am not. While I think Putin is wrong, I think we need to stay out.

But Crimea is only Russian speaking because Stalin, et al, undertook a concerted effort to ethnically cleanse the area and literally starve the native Ukrainians to death.

They then exported native Russians to Crimea.

This invasion has been going on for 60 years.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
16. Historically, that's simply incorrect.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:38 PM
Mar 2015

The original inhabitants of Crimea were actually the Greeks, who were conquered by the Tatars who then colonized the peninsula and used it as the center of their slaving empire until Russia invaded and destroyed the Khanate in the 1700's (after the Khanate had launched a massive slaving expedition into Russia that killed or claimed over 200,000 people).

After exterminating the Khanate, the Russian empire repopulated the mainland portion of their new territory (calling it Novorossia) with a mix of Russian and Ukrainian immigrants. The peninsula itself was primarily populated by the Tatars who had survived the invasion, and a mix of the original Greek population and Russian colonists. When the Soviet Union was formed, Crimea was originally granted the status of an autonomous socialist republic because it was so demographically different than the mainland it was connected to. Crimea did not gain a substantial population of ethnic Ukrainians until the 1920's, when many mainland Ukranians fled there while trying to escape the Holomodor. The majority of the Ukrainian population on the peninsula results from growth after WW2, when the Crimea was handed over to Ukraine and fell under its rule.

In 1863, there were actually more Bulgarians living in Crimea than Ukrainians (around 7000 Ukrainians, vs about 17,000 Bulgarians). In the 1923 census, there were so few Ukranians living there that they didn't even get a line item. By 1939, they were about 10% of the population, and their numbers just increased from there.

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