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Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:00 PM Mar 2015

GOP lawmaker: Gay people “don’t have a right to be served in every single store”

Source: Salon

Thursday, Mar 5, 2015 04:30 PM CST

GOP lawmaker: Gay people “don’t have a right to be served in every single store”

Oklahoma's Joseph Silk defends anti-LGBT "license to discriminate" legislation
Luke Brinker


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State Sen. Joseph Silk (R-OK) (Credit: OKGOP/YouTube screenshot
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As the country marches toward nationwide marriage equality and polls show record levels of support for same-sex marriage, there’s a fierce anti-gay backlash underway that imperils some of the most basic rights of the country’s LGBT citizens: Under the guise of protecting religious liberty, conservative lawmakers across the country are proposing bills that would allow businesses and individuals not to serve gay people, provided that they discriminate based on their religious beliefs. Among the states to consider such license-to-discriminate legislation is Oklahoma, where the bill’s chief Republican sponsor flatly states that gay people “don’t have a right to be served in every single store.”

State Sen. Joseph Silk made that statement in an interview with the New York Times, which examines the broader push for so-called religious freedom laws in a story published online Thursday. Silk told the Times that he while he knows real, breathing homosexuals and even considers some his friends, he nevertheless sees gay people as the top threat to religious liberty. “The L.G.B.T. movement is the main thing, the primary thing that’s going to be challenging religious liberties and the freedom to live out religious convictions,” Silk said. “And I say that sensitively, because I have homosexual friends.”

“They don’t have a right to be served in every single store,” he added. “People need to have the ability to refuse service if its violates their religious convictions.”

Give Silk some credit. While other supporters of legislation allowing anti-LGBT discrimination glide over the measures’ real-life consequences, he readily owns up to them: If Silk’s bill becomes law, it would mean businesses and individuals denying services to gay people, whom he considers unworthy of equal protection under the law.


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GOP lawmaker: Gay people “don’t have a right to be served in every single store” (Original Post) Judi Lynn Mar 2015 OP
Bring it on, baldy! Build the case for animus brick by hate-laden brick. MNBrewer Mar 2015 #1
Really--bald people don't have a "right" either...that's something that is beyond his control, MADem Mar 2015 #42
Fascists are welcomed into the New Republcan Party olegramps Mar 2015 #63
Because...freedom. louis-t Mar 2015 #2
I am so glad he said it 'sensitively'... immoderate Mar 2015 #3
would the store be required to put a sign on their door Skittles Mar 2015 #4
Interesting idea. Why does it sound familiar? RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #38
yup - that's a repuke ideal Skittles Mar 2015 #47
I wish I could tell him - I have a religious conviction not to serve YOU buddy. LiberalElite Mar 2015 #5
Exactly! Also require them to post a sign saying, "I'm a Homophobe!" n/t RKP5637 Mar 2015 #32
Jim Crow under another name Iliyah Mar 2015 #6
+1 treestar Mar 2015 #53
So gay is the new black and brown I see. d_legendary1 Mar 2015 #7
Yes! Delphinus Mar 2015 #57
Hey name the names of the places and I'll vocally let them know they don't have my business. Over Maraya1969 Mar 2015 #8
Amen.... daleanime Mar 2015 #12
That is where I'm at. stillwaiting Mar 2015 #18
I would never do business with such a place Skittles Mar 2015 #20
Maybe businesses could come up with a Crazy Christian symbol they could put on their windows. stillwaiting Mar 2015 #21
Yep, let the market decide... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #45
Would he agree with these statements? The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2015 #9
American Airlines is a big employer here. When Arizona pulled this same stunt OKNancy Mar 2015 #10
I remember that Skittles Mar 2015 #48
Does this mean that Cryptoad Mar 2015 #11
Inventors need to get on christx30 Mar 2015 #24
How about we stop serving Republicans? C_U_L8R Mar 2015 #13
Based on his standards mindem Mar 2015 #14
WTF, this schmuck has psychic powers or something? DinahMoeHum Mar 2015 #15
And ISIS is throwing homosexuals off of high buildings, Sen. Silk. Paladin Mar 2015 #16
But are they throwing them off "sensitively....." brooklynite Mar 2015 #23
Yeah, in the footage I saw, ISIS blindfolded the victims before pushing them off. Paladin Mar 2015 #28
Now I see why some were thrown to the lions with their fanatical religion! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2015 #33
Interesting that religion enters the 21st Century happy to be defined by discrimination, hate speech Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #17
It certainly seems to be what they embrace. Look at religion and generally one finds RKP5637 Mar 2015 #43
Is he going to make them wear identifying pink triangles too? procon Mar 2015 #19
Every. Single. One. Of. Them. You. Asshole. DeSwiss Mar 2015 #22
So evidently people who think homosexuality is a "sin" (and I am not one of these people, phylny Mar 2015 #25
Thanks for saying narnian60 Mar 2015 #30
I've heard this argument from the right christx30 Mar 2015 #37
Hate is the party platform for American Taliban aka TeaParTY Republican Party NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #26
If gay people don't then neither do Christians. Being Christian is a lifestyle choice, kestrel91316 Mar 2015 #27
obviously this idiot knows nothing of the civil rights movement or laws wordpix Mar 2015 #29
So, let's see, using his egregious logic, one can then refuse black people, Mexicans, RKP5637 Mar 2015 #31
Portrait of an Asshole! RKP5637 Mar 2015 #34
Oh, Mary! I just love your clothes. Chipper Chat Mar 2015 #52
... RKP5637 Mar 2015 #56
Such a shame. VWolf Mar 2015 #58
They sure can be. As the old adage goes, can't judge a book by it's cover. I've had RKP5637 Mar 2015 #61
Fine as long as that business does not use and / or have Botany Mar 2015 #35
Not to worry. Neoliberalism is working hard to get rid of that pesky "public" stuff. n/t RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #39
Jeff Gannon???? Roland99 Mar 2015 #36
Oh sure,...HE didn't get teased in HS with that name. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2015 #40
This guy sets off my gaydar Android3.14 Mar 2015 #41
Christo-fascism: blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #44
correct Skittles Mar 2015 #50
Why is it Bartlet Mar 2015 #46
The backlash continues. Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #49
He's wearing a lot of pink and purple Kalidurga Mar 2015 #51
Does he also believe I can refuse to serve Christians in my store? obxhead Mar 2015 #54
Believe it or not, someone on DU said much the same thing the other day. n/t Jamastiene Mar 2015 #55
Fuck that noise. I demand justice and equality for all, today, now. azmom Mar 2015 #59
When can I start posting signs that 'No Evangelicals or SBC members allowed'? sinkingfeeling Mar 2015 #60
3 out of 5 stores would be a fair compromise, right? n/t Orsino Mar 2015 #62
Does Water have to be sold to non-Shakers? One_Life_To_Give Mar 2015 #64
"Ah have homma-sexshul friends, so that means Ah ain't no bigot." Aristus Mar 2015 #65
He used to have a Facebook page BuddhaGirl Mar 2015 #66
Get ready to sew pink triangles on your clothes gay folks workinclasszero Mar 2015 #67
That's the wrong argument: GLBT have a right to be served anywhere, but not a right to demand Wella Mar 2015 #68
Why yes, yes they do LibertyLover Mar 2015 #69

MADem

(135,425 posts)
42. Really--bald people don't have a "right" either...that's something that is beyond his control,
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 09:50 PM
Mar 2015

is part of his natural makeup...of course, he could fake it, and wear a Rand Paul squirrel on his head, and hide his natural appearance ... but those of us who know a squirrel when we see one, either disguised as a congressman, or sitting on a congressman's head, why, we know.....




Oh wait...gotta toss in one of these for the irony-impaired...



Can't be too careful these days~!

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
4. would the store be required to put a sign on their door
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:04 PM
Mar 2015

so non-homophobes can refuse to do business with them?

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
5. I wish I could tell him - I have a religious conviction not to serve YOU buddy.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:05 PM
Mar 2015

put the shoe on the other foot see how he likes it.

Maraya1969

(22,483 posts)
8. Hey name the names of the places and I'll vocally let them know they don't have my business. Over
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:12 PM
Mar 2015

and over.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
18. That is where I'm at.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:01 PM
Mar 2015

If businesses don't want to serve LGBT people they just need to advertise the fact that they don't want to. I don't want to give a red cent to these businesses, so I would thank them. So they could request that gay people not come to their business, but if someone who is gay does go there, tough shit bigots.

They just might be surprised how much business they would lose. I know my family and friends wouldn't want to spend money there either.

Of course I don't live in Oklahoma either. Hopefully LGBT people have supportive friends and family out there.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
20. I would never do business with such a place
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:03 PM
Mar 2015

they need to put a notice on their door or website who they don't welcome so we can all decide - yes indeed

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
21. Maybe businesses could come up with a Crazy Christian symbol they could put on their windows.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:08 PM
Mar 2015

This would advertise that their religious beliefs compel them to be a complete asshole, and we could steer way the fuck away.

Note: This is not a slur against all Christians; just the Talibornagain sort that just can't stop hating the LGBT community.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
45. Yep, let the market decide...
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 12:46 AM
Mar 2015

republicans are always on about that, until the market does what they don't want it to.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
9. Would he agree with these statements?
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:12 PM
Mar 2015

“Black people don’t have a right to be served in every single store.”
“Jews don’t have a right to be served in every single store.”
"Women don’t have a right to be served in every single store.”
"Christians don’t have a right to be served in every single store.”
“People with disabilities don’t have a right to be served in every single store.”

Since he's a GOPer, he might actually agree with all of them them (except for the one about Christians, of course). But it's well established that places of public accommodation (meaning commercial businesses, stores, hotels, etc.) don't have the right to refuse to do business with particular classes of people, whether for religious or any other reason. So why would gay people be treated differently - because he doesn't approve of the way they have sex, which he is not obligated to do, watch, or even think about? I really don't get these people, at all.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
10. American Airlines is a big employer here. When Arizona pulled this same stunt
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:13 PM
Mar 2015

they were one of the businesses who spoke up... before Brewer vetoed the bill.
I hope they do the same in Oklahoma.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
11. Does this mean that
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:14 PM
Mar 2015

that every single store will have to install one of those walk thru Gay Folk detector machines? I bet his brother in law has the only franchise to sell those in his state.

People ,,,, I have beening saying it for 6 years now..... Rethugism is some type of incurable disease of the Brain.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
24. Inventors need to get on
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:47 PM
Mar 2015

creating a commercially viable Gaydar. They are currently too large and use too much electricity for most businesses to own.

C_U_L8R

(45,003 posts)
13. How about we stop serving Republicans?
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:19 PM
Mar 2015

It's against my religion to cater to dumbasses.
How would Shinehead like that?

mindem

(1,580 posts)
14. Based on his standards
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:30 PM
Mar 2015

no repuke has the right to served in every single store. The religious right in this country is so far removed from what I believe I find it compromises my faith to support most of what they do. I certainly feel no obligation to fall in line with their warped idea of faith.

DinahMoeHum

(21,794 posts)
15. WTF, this schmuck has psychic powers or something?
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:54 PM
Mar 2015

He can spot gays a mile away? Who knew?

He should speak for himself - bald and wearing a "pink" shirt and all.

Sheesh, what a f**kbag.

Paladin

(28,264 posts)
16. And ISIS is throwing homosexuals off of high buildings, Sen. Silk.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:00 PM
Mar 2015

Pot meet kettle, motherfucker. If you've seen one fanatical religion, you've seen them all.....

Paladin

(28,264 posts)
28. Yeah, in the footage I saw, ISIS blindfolded the victims before pushing them off.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:55 PM
Mar 2015

I'm sure Silk would appreciate that bit of sensitivity......

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
17. Interesting that religion enters the 21st Century happy to be defined by discrimination, hate speech
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:00 PM
Mar 2015

and acts of horrible violence around the world. This is how they wish to be seen, as absolute assholes.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
43. It certainly seems to be what they embrace. Look at religion and generally one finds
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:30 PM
Mar 2015

discrimination, hate speech and acts of horrible violence. It's all over the place! Here's what they seem to want to return to!

phylny

(8,380 posts)
25. So evidently people who think homosexuality is a "sin" (and I am not one of these people,
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:48 PM
Mar 2015

although I'm a Christian), then should every store owner have the right to decide which "sinful" people they won't serve.

I mean, let's be fair! Liars? Divorced people? Adulterers?

The stupidity.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
37. I've heard this argument from the right
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 09:23 PM
Mar 2015

on why they should not accept gays. They think homosexuality is a sin, no different from adultery, drug use, divorce, ect. They say "why should we celebrate one sin and condemn the others?" So your arguement kind of folds into theirs.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
26. Hate is the party platform for American Taliban aka TeaParTY Republican Party
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:52 PM
Mar 2015

THey have no platform for jobs

They have no platform for healthcare

They have no platform for climate change fixes

They have no platform for economic issues

They have a platform of hate, hatred of gay, hatred of immigrants, hatred of black, hatred of asian, hatred of muslim, hatred of jewish.

This is not complicated.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
27. If gay people don't then neither do Christians. Being Christian is a lifestyle choice,
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:52 PM
Mar 2015

whereas being gay is a condition of birth, so I think we have far more right to discriminate against Christians than gays.

What say ye, fuckers?

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
29. obviously this idiot knows nothing of the civil rights movement or laws
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:58 PM
Mar 2015

another Geritol Old Party a-hole with backward beliefs

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
31. So, let's see, using his egregious logic, one can then refuse black people, Mexicans,
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 09:03 PM
Mar 2015

women, any sex, whatever they don't like, if it interferes with their religion. Isn't that really what he's saying? Religion overrules laws of common decency? I would like to see a psychological profile workup on this guy. Usually individuals holding views like this have a lot going on in their heads. So, next time this guy needs help with anything, one can just say, hey buddy, your request interferes with my religion, get lost!

VWolf

(3,944 posts)
58. Such a shame.
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 09:59 AM
Mar 2015

He looks just like a friend of mine, who happens to be a really nice guy.

Looks really can be deceiving.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
61. They sure can be. As the old adage goes, can't judge a book by it's cover. I've had
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 10:54 AM
Mar 2015

friends that look like absolute tea baggers, for example, and they were just the opposite.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
35. Fine as long as that business does not use and / or have
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 09:16 PM
Mar 2015

public roads
public water
fire and police protection
natural gas service
electricity service
the USPS
any employees get that flu shots
any employee who used public schools
any employee who has kids in public schools
data from the national weather service
any broadcast that is covered by the FCC
any employee that eats food that has been inspected by the USDA
social security
Medicaid
and so on ...... why do I want to punch that a-hole?

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
41. This guy sets off my gaydar
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 09:39 PM
Mar 2015

He would be much happier, and sensitive, if he would just accept his own sexuality.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
44. Christo-fascism:
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:42 PM
Mar 2015

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.




Bartlet

(172 posts)
46. Why is it
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 12:59 AM
Mar 2015

that bigots like this guy always have gay friends? What gay person would call this ignorant religious zealot a friend? Kind of like a Klansman claiming he has black friends right before torching their church.

Behind the Aegis

(53,961 posts)
49. The backlash continues.
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 01:14 AM
Mar 2015

This is my state, so it could affect me. This type of shit is getting really, really old!

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
51. He's wearing a lot of pink and purple
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 01:45 AM
Mar 2015

just sayin, not that it means anything. But, maybe I don't have to make him a sandwich if he comes into my store. You know if I am religious and all that.

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
54. Does he also believe I can refuse to serve Christians in my store?
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 06:01 AM
Mar 2015

I'll just bet he would tell me that's wrong.

sinkingfeeling

(51,460 posts)
60. When can I start posting signs that 'No Evangelicals or SBC members allowed'?
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 10:19 AM
Mar 2015

Mr. Smith doesn't have the right to be served in every single place either.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
64. Does Water have to be sold to non-Shakers?
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 12:37 PM
Mar 2015

Let us all step back and remember why these laws exist in the first place. What was it like when traveling in a Shaker area to learn they would only trade with other Shakers? Luxury items are the trivial case that represents the nose under the fence. It comes down to what about basics like food and water. Should it be legal for group such as the Shakers to sell such only to others of their faith? Should we also ask if a Shaker Cop has a duty to do anything about a crime being perpetrated against a non-Shaker? And so can't the Church of New England do likewise to anyone not a member of their church? Certainly they applied their laws about Church attendance to those not of their faith.

Whoever infringes the rights of the Least of Us, Tramples upon the Rights of all of us.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
67. Get ready to sew pink triangles on your clothes gay folks
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 01:08 PM
Mar 2015

The homegrown ISIS are coming for ya!

Wrapped in the flag, carrying a Bible and a AR-15, you betcha!

 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
68. That's the wrong argument: GLBT have a right to be served anywhere, but not a right to demand
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 01:21 PM
Mar 2015

products that a given business does not have or does not make. No one has a right to that.

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