Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 12:49 PM Mar 2015

Tim Kaine Questions If Senate GOP 'Mature' Enough To Handle National Security

Source: TPM

Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA) said Tuesday that the letter to Iran signed by 47 Republican senators "weakens our president, weakens our country, weakens our credibility" by undercutting President Barack Obama during sensitive negotiations over Iran's nuclear program.

"We shouldn't tank a deal before there is a deal," he said in a floor speech. "There's a right way and a wrong way to approach these matters."

Kaine, a cosponsor of legislation by Sens. Bob Corker (R-TN) and Bob Menendez (D-NJ) to ensure congressional review of any deal with Iran, said the Senate must not leave questions as to whether it is capable of handling national security "in a mature and responsible way."

"Is it just partisanship now?" he said, saying it's important for lawmakers to avoid creating the impression that "Congress is now just a partisan, sort of sideshow." Sen. Angus King (I-VT), another cosponsor of Corker-Menendez, called the GOP's letter "unprecedented and unthinkable" as it undercuts President

-snip-

Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tim-kaine-angus-king-iran

24 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Tim Kaine Questions If Senate GOP 'Mature' Enough To Handle National Security (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2015 OP
Senate GOP "Mature Enough" - Hell NO Iliyah Mar 2015 #1
Even during the 50s witch hunting there was not such a group erronis Mar 2015 #15
TraitorTots blm Mar 2015 #20
PERFECT!! Keep on this - don't let corpmedia drop this matter blm Mar 2015 #2
Tehran-Tom Cotton should go back to the minor leagues (House) from whence TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #3
6+ years of this heaven05 Mar 2015 #4
Great minds think alike TexasProgresive Mar 2015 #5
Angus King is I-Maine. spartan61 Mar 2015 #6
Mature GOP...that's an oxymoron for the ages. Answer, of course, is No. libdem4life Mar 2015 #7
Remove them from office. Zoonart Mar 2015 #8
They have broken their oath of office. thecrow Mar 2015 #19
They can only be removed from office nichomachus Mar 2015 #21
What about a conviction and jail time? Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #23
Easily said than done.. android fan Mar 2015 #24
Well stated. Trillo Mar 2015 #22
Their job is *multinational* security. Orsino Mar 2015 #9
Short answer: Nope! sakabatou Mar 2015 #10
Are the mature enough? And are they knowledgeable enough? JDPriestly Mar 2015 #11
They should use this line in their 2016 election ads. DetlefK Mar 2015 #12
They should have any and all security clearances taken away, they should not be privy cui bono Mar 2015 #13
Mostly it shows how weak the 47 neocons are.. Cha Mar 2015 #14
Oh, and I wanted to give a huge call out to Tim Kaine erronis Mar 2015 #16
I will reserve judgement until I know whether he wants to scuddle an actual deal after the fact Tom Rinaldo Mar 2015 #18
They're not mature enough to handle a field trip to the local library! Myrina Mar 2015 #17

erronis

(15,313 posts)
15. Even during the 50s witch hunting there was not such a group
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 01:42 PM
Mar 2015

of morons, or "representatives" who were too afraid to vote intelligently.

Gingrich and his posse didn't come close to this imbecility. I think there were still a few smart republicans hanging around at that time. Now there may only be 7 in the Senate and 0 in the House.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
3. Tehran-Tom Cotton should go back to the minor leagues (House) from whence
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 12:57 PM
Mar 2015

he came. Embarrassing that he got so many more senior Senators to sign off on his treasonous stupidity.

Zoonart

(11,875 posts)
8. Remove them from office.
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 01:12 PM
Mar 2015

Seems to me the most destructive and disturbing assertion in this letter, is that these morons float the notion that any deal we make internationally can be undone easily and with malice anytime we feel like it. That the USA is never to be trusted in any negotiations, because we always reserve the right to yank the rug.

Why should anyone negotiate anything with us at all if this is how The Republican Party views the process?
When the next Republican President comes into office, he can simply sweep aside all previous international treaties and agreements on a whim... just because... I don't know... the Black Guy?... The Woman?... It's Tuesday?
WTF to the X power?

THIS IS SO DANGEROUS! THEY MUST BE CENSURED AND REMOVED FROM OFFICE RIGHT NOW!
They have broken their oath of office.


nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
21. They can only be removed from office
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 05:25 PM
Mar 2015

By a two-thirds vote of the Senate. Since they make up 47 percent of the Senate, good luck with that.

 

android fan

(214 posts)
24. Easily said than done..
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:44 AM
Mar 2015

Just disqualify all 47 of the Senators by revoking their TS/SsC priveleges

And then because they do require TS/SC clearances to do Senate business, none of them are qualified.

Democratic Party, by default will be the majority and has the 2/3 to remove Republicans with only 6 Republicans that didn't sign the Logan Act violation.

Ethics Committee should have a field day since all the Republicans in the Committee are DQ'ed.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
11. Are the mature enough? And are they knowledgeable enough?
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 01:13 PM
Mar 2015

We spend a lot of money on intelligence, trying to understand what goes on in other countries so that we can encourage an environment of peace and understanding in the world. I know a lot of DUers will laugh at that statement because we seem to do nothing with our intelligence, our knowledge about other countries and their leaders except fight wars.

But if you read the books, Paris, 1919, Six Months that Changed the World, and Ike's Spies you will understand the importance of our intelligence programs. We really have to know what goes on in other countries. We don't always use our information well. We don't always use it to promote peace. But we have to have it, because if we don't know what is going on in the world, we make even worse mistakes than we are making now.

Of course, how much of what we know we need to keep so secret is an entirely different question.

But --

The problem now for us is that the folks that Republican voters have sent to Congress are UTTERLY ignorant of the world outside their communities for the most part. And those Republicans who do know something have very little empathy and understanding of people who are in any way different from themselves. The Republicans now in Congress are what used to be called "provincial" in their outlook on the world. That's a fancy word for "ignorant," so ignorant they don't even want to know about the world because they think they already know everything there is to know because, after all, they know what the Bible says and they know their home town or home state. What more could they possibly know?

So now they are really messing up. I just hope that the people they represent wake up to the reality that they are messing up. The letter to Iran was, I'm sure, a joke to the rest of the world. Just a joke. What a sorry bunch we have in Congress now. They need to get out of Podunk, Texas and see the world -- but not on a cruise ship -- rather with a backpack and a tent.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
12. They should use this line in their 2016 election ads.
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 01:15 PM
Mar 2015

"Do you REALLY want the Republican Party to take care of national security?"

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
13. They should have any and all security clearances taken away, they should not be privy
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 01:28 PM
Mar 2015

to any classified information, they should be taken off any committees dealing with national security and foreign relations and they should be censured. Every damn one of them.

erronis

(15,313 posts)
16. Oh, and I wanted to give a huge call out to Tim Kaine
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 01:46 PM
Mar 2015

There have been a few stellar representatives from the Old Dominion state and Kaine is one. I wish we could have both Jim Webb and Kaine representing that state where I used to live.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
18. I will reserve judgement until I know whether he wants to scuddle an actual deal after the fact
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 02:28 PM
Mar 2015

Yes Kaine is being mature to point out that trying to interfere in the actual negotiations is incredibly "irresponsible" of Republicans, but he has given us ample reason to suspect that he will try to kill a reasonable deal if and when one is announced

Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»Tim Kaine Questions If Se...