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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 01:30 PM Mar 2015

Putin's Russia Could Be 'Single Greatest Threat To Britain's Security,' Philip Hammond Warns

Source: Telegraph UK

12:21PM GMT 10 Mar 2015

Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond has made some of the strongest comments by a minister since the start of the Ukraine crisis, warning that Russia under Vladimir Putin is potentially the "single greatest threat" to Britain's security.

Mr Hammond said the Russian leader had decisively rejected efforts to draw his country into a "rules-based" international order and was now actively seeking to subvert it.

He added that in the face of the "increasingly aggressive" stance of the Russian military, the effort to establish its intentions was now once again a "vital" element of the work of Britain's intelligence agencies – MI5, MI6 and GCHQ.

"The rapid pace with which Russia is seeking to modernise her military forces and weapons combined with the increasingly aggressive stance of the Russian military including Russian aircraft around the sovereign airspace of Nato states are all significant causes of concern," he said in a speech to the Royal United Services Institute in London.

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11461324/Putins-Russia-could-be-single-greatest-threat-to-Britains-security-Philip-Hammond-warns.html



What nonsense, indeed.
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Putinistas have sad uhnope Mar 2015 #1
What self-serving imperial bullshit! semanticwikiian Mar 2015 #2
The UK hasnt been an imperial anything in a long while as for the rest cstanleytech Mar 2015 #3
Oh pity-poo! the Brits feel so endangered! Oh sob sob! semanticwikiian Mar 2015 #13
What specifically leads you to that premise? LanternWaste Mar 2015 #7
well to start... semanticwikiian Mar 2015 #12
Vladimir, time to come home for supper! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #19
the trolls are here semanticwikiian Mar 2015 #24
Yes they are! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #25
they also pulled this against Harold Wilson MisterP Mar 2015 #4
What the fucking hell? blackspade Mar 2015 #5
you're blaming the UK for Russia's overt warmaking? uhnope Mar 2015 #15
Rhetoric has a way of escalating conflict. blackspade Mar 2015 #16
It can also cause people to reassess things. To be silent is to condone. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #20
He doesn't need to be silent.... blackspade Mar 2015 #26
We don't need another Neville Chamberlain in GB. I don't think it is hyperbole. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #30
We also don't need shrill fear mongering blackspade Mar 2015 #31
I agree. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #32
I blame the UK for ramping the US up for war. elias49 Mar 2015 #28
Well, Snowden's role in weakening the "Five Eyes" alliance cannot be understated Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #6
That's why all this voyeurism is a mistake. You are going to be found out. bemildred Mar 2015 #9
i see, focus on the messenger semanticwikiian Mar 2015 #21
What is it called when "truthtellers" call us out Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #22
stop the moral equivalency semanticwikiian Mar 2015 #23
Maybe you need to cart your 30-post account somewhere else Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #29
Right. bemildred Mar 2015 #8
Assuming Britain truly has any security to begin with Demeter Mar 2015 #10
Don't Blame British Spies For Ukraine Crisis bemildred Mar 2015 #11
("rules-based" international order) .. Tony Blair is probably scratching his head over this one /nt jakeXT Mar 2015 #14
Rule #1: "We make the rules." bemildred Mar 2015 #17
Oh Brittania, that petty little nation that lost its evil empire. nilesobek Mar 2015 #18
The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back mwrguy Mar 2015 #27

cstanleytech

(26,306 posts)
3. The UK hasnt been an imperial anything in a long while as for the rest
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 02:08 PM
Mar 2015

........well I look at the facts and the facts are Russia did invade the Ukraine and annexed part of it, that isnt a lie its a well established fact.
So, based on that I would say Russia does the potential to be a threat to the rest of Europe.

 

semanticwikiian

(69 posts)
13. Oh pity-poo! the Brits feel so endangered! Oh sob sob!
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 04:45 PM
Mar 2015

look at these facts then:

The USA is actively pursuing military encirclement of Russia.
The USA is actively pursuing "full-spectrum" world domination.

Perhaps you have a short attention span

 

semanticwikiian

(69 posts)
12. well to start...
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 04:30 PM
Mar 2015

Is Vladimir Putin, as the potentially "single greatest threat" to Britain's security, bigger badder and meaner than climate change?

Were the 'rules' of a "rules-based international order" crafted for and by imperialists?

Does the "increasingly aggressive stance of the Russian military" have anything to do with NATO on their doorstep? Or maybe "Russian aircraft around the sovereign airspace of Nato states" might suggest they're pretty mad for a good reason?

Does not "The rapid pace with which Russia is seeking to modernise her military forces" pale in comparison to the USA spending trillions to upgrade its own ICBMs?

Every goddamn sentence is dripping with hyperbolic hypocritical bullshit. And then:

"...are all significant causes of concern"

fuck their cowardly concern-trolling.
Enough?

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
4. they also pulled this against Harold Wilson
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 02:26 PM
Mar 2015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Wilson_conspiracy_theories

Kingsley Amis had him as a wicked Pope who orders men in SS uniforms around and plotted the extinction of 30 million Europeans rather than legalize condoms; Amis also thought pizza parlors would undermine England by Italianizing it; Philip Pullman thought it was a documentary

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
5. What the fucking hell?
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 02:48 PM
Mar 2015
Will these asshole please quit ratcheting the world up for more war?

I would like my kids to grow up without worrying that their asses are going to get blown up by a bunch war profiteers.
They have enough to worry about with mine and previous generations fucking up the environment and refusing to take measures to mitigate it.

The world faces a colossal failure in leadership.
 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
15. you're blaming the UK for Russia's overt warmaking?
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 05:46 PM
Mar 2015

please. The UK is using harsh language. So? Do you think they're just doing that for fun, out of the blue? No. There's a good reason the world is extremely worried about Russia's military aggression lately.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
16. Rhetoric has a way of escalating conflict.
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 06:17 PM
Mar 2015

Because it leads to rash actions by people who have a vested monetary interest in war profiteering.
Russia is not threatening the UK with shit.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
26. He doesn't need to be silent....
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 02:02 PM
Mar 2015

But the hyperbolic bullshit of his statement will not cause Putin to "reassess things."

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
28. I blame the UK for ramping the US up for war.
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 02:54 PM
Mar 2015

Hammond is a right-wing turkey. He should sit with our House of Teabaggery.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
6. Well, Snowden's role in weakening the "Five Eyes" alliance cannot be understated
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 03:11 PM
Mar 2015

Since two years of showing our dirty laundry (while ignoring other certain countries) has only made Russia's position stronger in the meantime...

Sun Tzu laid all that out long ago...

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
9. That's why all this voyeurism is a mistake. You are going to be found out.
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 04:06 PM
Mar 2015

And people won't like it. Sun Tzu could have told them that too.

 

semanticwikiian

(69 posts)
21. i see, focus on the messenger
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 12:22 PM
Mar 2015

I get it: Russia is stronger because some truth about us was spoken publicly.
Our crimes = their strength?
A pathetic analysis of the dynamics at work here, in my humble opinion.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
22. What is it called when "truthtellers" call us out
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 12:48 PM
Mar 2015

but ignore Russia, China, etc. doing the same things, and worse??

Please keep thinking there's no connection between Snowden's defection and Russia flexing her muscles in front of the NATO members...

 

semanticwikiian

(69 posts)
23. stop the moral equivalency
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 12:54 PM
Mar 2015

and take your American Exceptionalism (aka Superiority) somewhere else.
It rings quite hollow to me.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
10. Assuming Britain truly has any security to begin with
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 04:17 PM
Mar 2015

they are doing a fine job, all by themselves, of destroying it. If they need outside help in their suicide, they always call in the US.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
11. Don't Blame British Spies For Ukraine Crisis
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 04:27 PM
Mar 2015

---

"We are now faced with a Russian leader bent not on joining the international rules-based system which keeps the peace between nations, but on subverting it ... with Russia's aggressive behaviour a stark reminder that it has the potential to pose the single greatest threat to our society," Philip Hammond said.

Then he reminded his audience of defence experts at the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) that "it is no coincidence that all the (intelligence) agencies are recruiting Russian speakers again".

Really? It would be interesting to find out who it was that let the Russian speakers and other experts who grew up during the Cold War wander off.

---


But the failure to comprehend that Vladimir Putin would invade Ukraine should not be laid at the doors of Vauxhall Cross.

That responsibility lies squarely on the shoulders of ministers across Europe and in NATO member states, who could not see that the Kremlin would no more let go of its power over Ukraine that it did over Georgia.

http://news.sky.com/story/1442425/dont-blame-british-spies-for-ukraine-crisis

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
14. ("rules-based" international order) .. Tony Blair is probably scratching his head over this one /nt
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 04:59 PM
Mar 2015

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
17. Rule #1: "We make the rules."
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 07:02 PM
Mar 2015

All the other rules: "See rule #1."

But really, there are no rules, just rulers, most of them shallow and greedy.

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
18. Oh Brittania, that petty little nation that lost its evil empire.
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 09:52 PM
Mar 2015

I'm crying some crocodile tears for them.

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