Clinton Concedes She Should Have Used Gov't Email
Source: Associated Press
By KEN THOMAS and JULIE PACE
Associated Press
UNITED NATIONS (AP) -- Breaking her silence, Hillary Rodham Clinton conceded Tuesday that she should have used a government email to conduct business as secretary of state, saying her decision was simply a matter of "convenience."
"At the time, this didn't seem like an issue," Clinton said in her first public comments since it was disclosed last week that she exclusively used her private email for government business and housed her communications on a personal server.
Clinton said the server would remain private. She also said she had discarded thousands of personal emails, such as communications related to her daughter's wedding or her mother's funeral, but she insisted she had given the State Department all relevant emails.
"Everything that would be in any way connected to work is now in possession in the State Department," Clinton said.
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Purveyor
(29,876 posts)Washington (CNN)Former secretary of State Hillary Clinton said she used a private domain for her official work during her time at the State Department out of "convenience," but admitted in retrospect "it would have been better" to use multiple emails.
"I opted for convenience to use personal email account, which was allowed, because I thought it would be easier to carry just one device," she said during a press conference after her speech at the United Nations Tuesday. "Looking back, it would've been better if I had simply used a second email."
Clinton turned over 55,000 pages of correspondence to the State Department to evaluate, which department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Tuesday would be released on a public website after a review, which could take months.
The former secretary of state defended her process in choosing emails, telling reporters that she and her staff "err[ed] on the side of providing anything that could be possibly viewed as work-related."
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brendan120678
(2,490 posts)For four years as Secretary of State, that's not many emails. Considering that emails can get to be multiple pages when printed...Especially when you've got lots of back-and-forth replies, forwards, etc.
pnwmom
(108,987 posts)Hillary sent a ton of emails. And this doesn't include any she sent on the classified system.
It's perfectly possible to do the job using only the telephone and couriers.
24601
(3,962 posts)for official business.
I'm a civil servant. Ethics rules permit using government email for personal communications much like personal use of the phone. Non-official use of government systems must be ok with your supervisor (in practice, I've never seen anyone whose boss said "no" , cannot be use that reflects discredit (for example calling a bookie or placing obscene calls) and must be reasonable in frequency and duration.
I sometimes send official things to my personal account, especially to sync calendars, ensure we have the information for sponsored events like family day, local events, safety messages or whatever the public affairs folks put out.
Use of my personal communications for official business? Just about the only thing is contacting my office to call in sick. We are prohibited from logging onto our ISP's webmail.
Run my own personal ISP run out of my house? Sure, If I owned Microsoft, I might have an OC192 (9.6 g/sec) line run to the servers in our fortified "compound". Maybe I'd even secure the server in the Aircraft Carrier tied up at the dock.
Credible explanation by our former SoS? She understands the little people like us? Sure, if you also believe her husband has been celibate since May 1979.
pnwmom
(108,987 posts)for using government property for political purposes?
WestSeattle2
(1,730 posts)government resources for election or re-election activities. That's what campaign funds are to be used for - acquiring support services, including computers and software. Even if there is a small chance of something being perceived as being inappropriate - don't do it. Pretty simple stuff.
24601
(3,962 posts)partisan activity overall. Different employees have different rules. The most stringent rules tend to apply to those in Law Enforcement and National Security positions.
The average civil servant should avoid partisan activities on the job but has a fair amount of freedom away from work.
Following the 1992 election, there were questions about who hired WH Personnel Security Director Craig Livingstone and his Assistant Anthony Marceca. While most of the attention was on Mr. Livingstone, who I don't believe had a government background, I remember a few things about Mr. Marceca.
Mr. Marceca was a Department of the Army civil servant who took leave and worked for the Clinton Campaign. If he had worked for the FBI, IRS, CIA or other agencies that fall under the more strict rules, that would not have been permitted. My recollection was that what he really wanted was an appointment as a US Marshal. Those positions require a Presidential nomination and Senate Conformation. It wasn't going to happen given some of the information in his FBI Security File. As the "filegate" grew, Mr. Marceca went back to the Defense Department.
Prohibited partisan activity is pretty narrowly defined by the Office of Special Counsel (OSC). In he late 90s, my boss came back from a meeting really steamed because someone wore an "Impeach Clinton" button. He asked me to find out if it was improper partisan activity or protected speech. Our local ethics officials referred me to OSC who said that Impeachment was not a partisan activity but a Constitutional process. Further, President Clinton was no longer a candidate for anything. Result: While perhaps in bad taste, expressing a view on impeachment was not in violation of the Hatch Act, and was instead protected speech.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Now did I understand that she says this because:
anything she sent to a dot gov address is automatically stored?
what about things she sent to non-dot gov addresses?
I heard her say that everything related to government is automatically saved.
I don't believe that covers all of what matters.
candelista
(1,986 posts)And besides, any business between her and him would be strictly personal, e.g., contributions to the Clinton Foundation. Hillary would never offer government favors in return.
Would she?
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)What a fucking mess.
pnwmom
(108,987 posts)because they were saved at the other end, and all other work-related emails not sent to .gov accounts.
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)The media isn't going to let this go regardless of what she said
George II
(67,782 posts)...of these emails for months. The gop dicks keep harping on the private server, but they still haven't been able to come up with anything damaging. So, they have to keep up the non-specific "complaints".
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)So Clinton uses a private server and now suddenly the right is feigning all kinds of outrage over it.
candelista
(1,986 posts)The ones she chose to show them.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I don't think she meant to do anything wrong by using her personal e-mail for work-related communications.
But it is again a sign of a certain lack of judgment, maybe even of political or ethical instincts.
Would you send personal e-mails from your work e-mail account if you worked for an organization. (It may be different for the self-employed.) That an attorney would do this is just kind of incredible to me because she must know that her e-mail account information could be subpoenaed were she to be sued under some odd set of circumstances.
It's again just something that is kind of politically insensitive. Probably did no harm to anyone but just kind of something where you ask, "What the? What could she have been thinking?"
It's kind of a zany thing to do especially for someone who worked as a lawyer at one point in her life.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)who are older. I know word processing and spread sheets. But the problem with the passwords and the reality of the internet amazes me. It's a dimension beyond my understanding somehow.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)as possible. That shows she was more concerned with herself and her privacy and her future political viability than she was with doing her job properly. She is not Presidential material.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Maybe she, like me, tries to keep her internet accounts to a minimum so that she won't have to bother with remembering a lot of passwords, etc.
My generation was raised remembering lots of things, but absurd, nonsensical internet passwords were not among them. I just hate that grasping feeling that I get when I sit at the computer and have to type in a password. I always think I've surely forgotten it.
My memory is fairly normal considering my age. But internet passwords I hate. Maybe she just didn't want to bother with all that. One password for all her e-mails.
Just a guess.
But still, no one who works for an organization of any kind should mix their business and personal e-mails. Not a good idea.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)- even changing them at the same time.
I'm the same generation as is my husband. His immediate comment was this is lame. (He was in MIS) My problem is that she conflates device and account. Even at that time, a Blackberry could get messages from more than one account - as my husband's did.
It also ignores that the problem is not just using a private account, but not bothering for up to 6 years to pass the emails - not sent to State.gov - to the State Department.
Speaking of which, when her people were going through the emails, a very helpful thing to have done would have been to separate between whether it went to a State.gov account or not. (Why - consider how much quicker it would be to process JUST the ones the government does not have. ie 5500 pages vs 55000 if 90% went to at least one person on State.gov. )
secondwind
(16,903 posts)some technology
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)at your house before you even start your new job, as a substitute for your new job's provided and intended email system. How is running, securing and maintaining your own mail server "convenient"?
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)for her. OF course, it was a huge mistake.
And as I said elsewhere, no one should mix business and personal e-mails for lots of reasons.
If you work for a boss and use your business account for personal e-mails, your boss may decide to read them.
MBS
(9,688 posts)I agree.
And I would also add that the US government, starting at least as early as 2009, really did and does have VERY clear and VERY strict guidelines, regularly reiterated to federal employees in the executive branch, for use of government email (that is, use of government email only, or as much as possible) for government business.
And even cutting the secretary and/or the state dept some slack for evolving email technology/guidelines compared to earlier secretaries of state , the principles behind that rule have been crystal clear since at least 2005 or, really, through common sense. At the very least, she should have had (a) a state.gov account and/or (b) two different email addresses on her server to keep her personal and government business entirely separate.
DreamSmoker
(841 posts)But try and find any Media who has the Video clip available..... None yet...
Nope not one... Notice how one side spins this as so important.... All that while they do the very same crap..
But hey, its Hillary... They have never let up since Kenny Star and the Millions spent to find nothing...
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)use the computer that sits right next to your easy chair. And a big TV as monitor I bet Mrs. Clinton HATES the bitty cell phone screen, I know I do
candelista
(1,986 posts)She communicates with foreign ministers all over the world. They do not have dot gov accounts. Not from the US gov.
starroute
(12,977 posts)Wouldn't you think the government would have its own people in each cabinet department setting up email accounts, testing them, making sure they were used properly? The accounts coming out have emphasized that Hillary is a technological Luddite who doesn't have any interest in the ins and outs of these things. Who thought it was a good idea to sign off on whatever she chose to do?
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)Nobody, the only two people who could have ordered her to use the .gov e-mail would have been the President and maybe the Vice-President and I'm not sure she would have listened to the Vice President.
starroute
(12,977 posts)There are security issues surrounding email. You'd expect that when a new secretary takes over the department, there will be professional security experts leading her through the procedures, making sure she understands the requirements, and so forth. So wasn't anything like that in place?
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)starroute
(12,977 posts)Are you saying that Hillary is so untouchable that nobody short of the president could have told her she had to do anything -- and certainly no lowly security expert?
Or do you think every cabinet member has the right to decide how they're going to handle official documents and decide on their own procedures?
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)official documents and other items related to their job.
Do we know people didn't tell Hillary that she was supposed to use the secure .gov e-mail?
How do you make a Sec of State comply if you are subordinate to them and they chose not to take your advice?
c588415
(285 posts)candelista
(1,986 posts)Was she taking cash from some Middle Eastern sheik for the Clinton Foundation in return for State Department favors? We will never know this--not from her. If she did stuff like this, she would have deleted emails about it from her server.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Having one of our candidates saying, in effect, "trust me on this" is not a great idea at any stage of their campaign.
I've got to wonder about the mindset of the people around her. I hope they have heard the wake up call.
candelista
(1,986 posts)If he layed out the talking points for her talk today, it doesn't say anything very good about his abilities. But then, what can I expect? What does he have to work with? You can put lipstick on a sow and call it Katy Perry, but it's still a pig. (In this metaphor, not Hillary, but the problem, is the pig.)
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)I'd love to see the e-mails she sent to Keystone, but alas, they aren't dot govs.
Oh well. Tough luck!
LiberalFighter
(51,005 posts)Likely imo it would go through her staff who would then review it before presenting it to her.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)In her first public comments on a controversy involving her emails, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton answered questions from the press for 20 minutes, but her response amounted to this: You've just got to trust me.
Clinton revealed that she had sent and received more than 62,320 emails from her private account. Of those, 30,490 she deemed work-related and turned over to the State Department. The other 31,830 she apparently deleted. The central question of the jousting match between Clinton and reporters was how she distinguished the personal emails from those relating to her official duties. Her explanation was simple: She decided.
As Clinton pointed out, that may follow the letter of federal rules. Government employees are allowed to use their personal email, and they're expected to choose which are professional and have to be turned over for public records, and which are personal. She said that even if she had used two devices or only a state.gov email address, she would still have made that decision. But that legalistic defense doesn't necessarily do much to quash her political problem. The question at the heart of the scandal is what might have been hiding in the emails that were not put in the public recorddealings with corporations, with aides, and with foreign heads of state, for examplethat may be relevant to her duties as secretary or her presumed presidential bid.
My suggestion for burying this story: Run hard, and run loud, on the progressive platform. Start with how you'll improve Social Security. Follow that by cribbing Warren's and Sanders ideas on getting speculators to pay more taxes. The sound of minds exploding, and our cheering, will give Clinton advisers plenty of time to float a better narrative regarding the e-mails out there.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)She is screwed six ways to Sunday.
LiberalFighter
(51,005 posts)Response to Purveyor (Original post)
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LiberalFighter
(51,005 posts)Any email to anyone in govt would be one more copy.
I doubt much that she would had been doing too much emailing to any foreign entities. It might help to know the process used. She has staff that likely handle any electronic communication to other countries. And those would end up on a govt server. What would be her primary method of communication when dealing with higher levels of people? Phone or email?
If Hillary understands how emails work she would have to be worried if she might have done anything wrong. There is one thing that most people don't realize and that is emails end up in more than one place. The sender only controls their end. Then there are the original messages when they are included with replies. Which tracks the communication.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)& after this admission this "scandal" has exhausted its course. I wonder how much longer Republicans & the media are going to start beating this dead horse?
quadrature
(2,049 posts)she managed email , deleted some, kept others.
she did this by herself,
or where others involved?
if others were involved.
were they gov't employees,
or personal assistants paid by her?