Rec is only for visibility, of course, and not to show approval of the vice principal's comments.

who once had "Mammy's little baby loves short'nin, short'nin, Mammy's little baby loves short'nin bread!" as his ringtone for an African American city councilmember!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=141x39585

I mean, assuming he's a rap artist. And really, have you ever known a Scandinavian Middle School vice principal that wasn't a rap artist?

Newsjock

He should be fired - on the spot - for what he stated - nothing more, nothing less.. What a schame for a school who call it self scandinavian....

Diclotican

Seems like a simple declarative statment.

"I don't like black kids ...who aren't interested in learning about African heritage"

"I don't like black kids ....who don't know about the civil war"

"I don't like black kids ....who think joining a gang is cool"

There are possibilities. It being Fresno, probably not, but let's hear the context before condemning the guy. I just find it hard to imagine even a true racist saying something in full view of the student body.

And if you think that racists don't say shit out loud, that's rather surprising. Because I hear it ALL the time.

or as ignorant about the civil war? Only 11 % of the kids in his district are black, by the way.

It is extremely unlikely, IMO, that there's any context that could justify what he said.

"I don't like black kids' backpacks. The school colors would be more appropriate."

after "black kids."

What if he said "I couldn't believe it. I heard the principal say 'I don't like black kids.'"?

Or, "I don't like black Kedds."

Odds are it's just what it sounds like, but that's why you investigate context.

The other angle is that maybe it's worse than it sounds. I mean, who is he saying it to? Did they report him to administration for it? Did anyone cover up for him? Why did he believe the person he said it to would be receptive to the comment?

I think he should be fired because he is a racist and is therefore unfit to do his job which is serving ALL of the students at his school.

It goes to the heart of the racist argument that "it's a free country" and "free speech." Which is, in fact, true. I'm sure there isn't a clause in his contract that says he can't hold racist opinions or say racist things. But he is showing his inability to perform his duties. That's how you beat them.

relationship with.

Let's say the kids said, "You don't like us," and he was kidding and said he didn't like black kids, when they know, for sure, that he loves them? Stupid? Yes. But we don't know the context. It seems like the video was cut, and if he's been in education for many years and there were never any insinuations about him, what makes us think he suddenly woke up one day and decided to be totally stupid and declare, publicly, that he didn't like black kids??

Some critical thinking would be lovely before we throw this man to the wolves.

should be suspended if he or she has violated school district policy regarding recording and or photographing and or video tapping people without their consent on school property. If the video makes it onto the web his parents should be sued. If the vice principal is fired it should be for something he has done wrong in an administrative capacity over the last 5 years, not because of an 20 second privacy violation video with no context.

I'm betting that you think the youtube company (google) should be sued as well as all the fiber/cable companies that aid-and-abet transmission. To say nothing about suing AT&T or Verizon for the cell phone usage.

By any chance, are you a lawyer who makes money out of this stuff?

Students and staff in public schools have a reasonable expectation of privacy. That means a zero tolerance policy for little shits who surreptitiously record teachers and fellow students without their consent and then post their artistic achievements on YouTube or anywhere else. Since the cell phones cannot be banned, results of their improper use certainly can and those who cause harm using them can and should be punished. It has nothing to do with telecoms or anyone's profession, but I'm pretty sure you already knew that. Whether this VP is guilty of anything is yet to be determined. What is certain is that his career has been seriously damaged and possibly destroyed even if the allegations against him prove unfounded. Incidents of that happening and even those like the one below happen far too often.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/family-teen-who-killed-himself-after-embarrassing-video-left-suicide-note/

.... in a hallway outside a cafeteria in in a public school.

Listen carefully. Wherever you are in a public school (and in lots of other public places) whether you are an adult or a student, you have a right not be filmed or recorded surreptitiously. That means you can have a camera in a hall so long as there is a statement prominently visible to that effect. You can also video tape, photograph or record someone with their prior consent, but you cannot do so without it. If you can't grasp that concept you might want to consider applying for work with the NSA.

It's not a commercial production so no release is required.

Wire tap laws could come in to play but, once again, there is no expectation of privacy in or outside a school cafeteria. You say the student "surreptitiously" recorded the conversation.

Here is the "surreptitious" video. Lol.

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Is it on YouTube?

YouTube ROCKS!

LOL

Even if we allow for an immediate, reflexive rage reaction to overwhelming provocation--it shouldn't happen, but I can see an overwhelmed teacher being pushed to the limit--the fact that she kept coming back after the girl even after having been separated and blocked repeatedly by the other student means that the teacher lacks the sort of emotional self-control that is necessary for handling teenaged students, who can, after all, be pains in the tush.

Not just for the reason you think. There are a lot of underage kids in a classroom, and you can't film them without parental permission.

This country desperately needs journalists who will violate people's privacy and report things people don't want reported about them. Give him a Pulitzer.

I also hope you'd appreciate the irony if it happened to you.

The kid who recorded this obviously started recording because he saw something he knew was wrong. Good on him. Excellent on him. I'm not into blaming whistleblowers on technicalities while the people they are exposing get off on technicalities. There is nothing about a Vice Principal at his school cafeteria that should give him the expectation of privacy to admit that he has a racial bias against 11% of the students at his school.

so long as it's someone else's privacy. You know, one of the bad people. Right?

Or just whistleblowers who expose racist comments made in public by authority figures to the people he has authority over?

For college. Unbelievable

There aren't too many ways to spin "I don't like black kids" into something innocuous.

and maybe it wasn't. On the basis of that video torches and pitchforks seem a bit premature.

Being sarcastic with them, especially if they knew he really loved them.

I can see how this may have been something he said to kids who said, "Hey, you don't like us," and he said what he said. Knowing that they KNOW he's not racist, because he has obviously worked with these kids for many years and there don't seem to be other incidents.

But go ahead, judge him before all of the facts are in. It's what many on DU do best.

Thank you.

...it wasn't that long ago that people said..."I don't like Italian kids because.. (fill in the cultural stereotype)."

As an Irish American, I make sure to remember this....

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sigh.

His views are reprehensible.

What exactly are his views? You show a 20 second video clip that sounds like a setup and claim to know this man's views? I don't know if this man is a bigot or not, and neither do you, not on the basis of this. Go find another witch to hunt or do enough investigating to back up your position.

Don't sputter and stutter when they finally come for you, bad boy.

... while leaning against a pole with an audience.

was serious.

Now, if he has a history to go along with that statement, then, yes, fire his ass. If he was just messing with a kid with whom he has a relationship, then we need to understand that he isn't a racist and said something, trying to be funny, that was misinterpreted.

I won't pre-judge him. Just like I didn't judge Michael Brown as a guilty "thug" after being shown in that video in the store. I wanted teh whole picture on Michael Brown. You can take things out of context and ruin a life.

The kid was kind of griefing him "He does not like us. Why don't you like us?"

It's ... weird ... to say the least. He's being "interviewed" by an (apparent) African American kid and seems to know he's being filmed. I think he's joking around. Now if he has a history of racist behavior, that's different.

Assuming there isn't any history of racist behavior to suggest he wasn't joking, it still leaves the question if it's acceptable for teachers/administrators to joke in that fashion with students. And if not, should it be something that is worthy of destroying his career over?

If a person in authority was to say something similar to me in a joking manner, I know I personally would not be offended or take it as anything more than a joke. However, I have pretty thick skin with that stuff, and I understand that there are a great number of people who are far more sensitive.

I don't have to be personally offended to realize that.

And I don't think if he did say it kidding around he should lose his job, his pension and his life.

Then you wonder why people don't want to become teachers and only 1/3 of those who do remain more than five years. I have a microscope on me 100% of the time, and people who want to tar and feather me if I ever slip up, say something stupid, make any kind of mistake. I just pray I do my final two years without kidding around with the wrong kid, saying the wrong thing to my administrator, making a parent unhappy before you and society judge me and take away my good name, my pension, my life.

then you should be fine.

Similar to how a person in his position shouldn't joke around about sexual topics with children, and a whole host of other topics.

Either they're restrained/repressed at all times, or they simply have no filter and tend to get in trouble.

I'm amazed at these "open-minded" liberals wanting to take this teacher out and shoot him at dawn without knowing anything more than 20 seconds of video.

And his tone sounds mostly sarcastic.

I don't know his history, but it says volumes that a shorter version is being circulated.

Edit- AND I WONDER WHERE THE REST OF THE RECORDING IS. Even the longer one still seems like it was cut with an agenda.

Oh, and so the Vice Principal gets a paid vacation for making an open racial slur?

Wow.

Banks, Ft. Wainright, and now this. I tell ya - you can't make this shit up!

where political parties are always dividing people to conquer them, perhaps it will be possible for schools, teachers and administrators, to actually, truly like all their kids, no matter what.

He has other complaints that reflect the same broad brush raciest attitude.

My first thought was he had no place in education, but now, I'm not so sure.

Context is everything, and the majority of the context has been edited out. Why?