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Galraedia

(5,026 posts)
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 05:14 PM Apr 2012

Joe Arpaio Played Probe For Laughs

Source: Huffington Post

PHOENIX -- An audio recording has surfaced of an Arizona sheriff playing his refusal to cooperate in a racial profiling investigation for laughs at a fundraiser for an anti-immigration group in Texas. He ridicules politicians who sought the probe and displayed contempt toward federal authorities who were - and are still - investigating him on two fronts.

The dismissive comments in 2009 by Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio came as the U.S. Justice Department had already launched a civil rights probe of his trademark immigration patrols and the FBI already was examining abuse-of-power allegations for the sheriff's investigations of political foes.

In the September 2009 speech in Houston, Arpaio boasted that he arrested hundreds of undocumented immigrants after politicians and federal investigators started to pick apart his patrols. He said he wouldn't cooperate with the inquiry, but said he would tone down the patrols - if he was proven wrong.

"But I'm not. After they went after me, we arrested 500 more just for spite," the self-proclaimed "America's toughest sheriff" said, pausing for laughter and applause.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/22/joe-arpaio-audio-recording-_n_1443996.html?ref=politics

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Joe Arpaio Played Probe For Laughs (Original Post) Galraedia Apr 2012 OP
Publicity Hound - Pure And Simple cantbeserious Apr 2012 #1
A perfect example of lizard-brained Republican thinking. polichick Apr 2012 #2
I really blame the people who vote for him. begin_within Apr 2012 #3
Last Election DaveKAz Apr 2012 #16
As long as there is no legal and/or financial accountability for these lies . . . janet118 Apr 2012 #20
"... After they went after me, we arrested 500 more just for spite," dmr Apr 2012 #4
They NEED to begin to take a HARD LOOK at his FINANCES! benld74 Apr 2012 #5
The DOJ has been supposedly investigating him for years. sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #6
Um, perhaps you missed it, but the DOJ is suing for takeover of his department. msanthrope Apr 2012 #9
A civil suit after four years of investigations and some pretty damning results sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #11
Um, the civil investigation was completed. It's done. Report released in msanthrope Apr 2012 #13
I am aware of all that. You missed the point of my post completely. sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #18
It seems to me that someone who read everything on the case would know about federal msanthrope Apr 2012 #19
I don't know why you insist on blaming the President for Joe Arpaio. sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #22
I thought we just had a thread a few days saying the DOJ had the goods on him, that he was toast. freshwest Apr 2012 #14
Okay, I just found you some and the stories they link to: freshwest Apr 2012 #15
Yes, I read that. I hope they get him finally. He's been 'under investigation' since 2008 sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #17
Going after this crook requires taking out his crooked friends who impeded this at every turn. freshwest Apr 2012 #21
I absolutely blame the voters first and I believe I said that. sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #23
I'm glad you're an optimist! Some of the Obama people believe the Democrats will do a sweep in AZ. freshwest Apr 2012 #24
He thinks he is untouchable. I really hope they prove him wrong teewrex Apr 2012 #7
I so would like to see this man behind bars nobodyspecial Apr 2012 #8
... But, I laughed at the wrong time. ... Festivito Apr 2012 #10
New recruit tooeyeten Apr 2012 #12
 

begin_within

(21,551 posts)
3. I really blame the people who vote for him.
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 05:38 PM
Apr 2012

There are a lot of kooks, assholes, sociopaths and monsters in the world, but they don't all get into positions of power. I blame those who voted for him, for giving him power.

DaveKAz

(1 post)
16. Last Election
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 12:35 AM
Apr 2012

A law enforcement officer by the name of Dan Saban ran against Joe the last time. He was leading in the polls just before the election. Joe apparently had people in his office and other supporters give to an attack group that accused Dan Saban of some form of sexual indiscretions. After the elections the accusations were proven to be false but they were enough to get Joe reelected. I would like to see attack campaigns like that outlawed but there doesn't seem to be any interest in the current Republican led legislature to do so. When attack groups are allowed to lie to the voters it is hard to hold them solely responsible for the outcome.

"Considering the built-in cruelty that so often is a part of politics, declaring any campaign the 'worst ever' is dicey territory. There are lots of candidates for the title.

That said, the effort to destroy - not simply beat, mind you, but utterly destroy - the Democratic candidate for Maricopa County sheriff this election will stand among the most demeaning political efforts we have witnessed.

For their salacious attacks on Dan Saban, Sheriff Joe Arpaio and the character assassins dwelling at Arizona Republican headquarters should be ashamed of themselves, if it were possible."

Arizona Republic, October 8, 2008

janet118

(1,663 posts)
20. As long as there is no legal and/or financial accountability for these lies . . .
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 10:33 AM
Apr 2012

the right wing thugs will continue to do this. An attack like this should, at the very least, lead to the nullification of the election results, enough financial penalties imposed to cover a new election, and a retraction of the pertinent lies in all public media outlets prior to the second election.

If you saw the film "Hot Coffee," you know that this tactic is not isolated to Arpaio and his cohorts. More than a few states that elect judges have had similar specious attacks aimed at "liberal" judges just prior to elections.

dmr

(28,347 posts)
4. "... After they went after me, we arrested 500 more just for spite,"
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 05:47 PM
Apr 2012

What a little man.

This proves to me that it's not ideological differences between what I believe & what he believes.

He has proven that he has no honor.

But I bet he brags like hell he's an honorable guy.

If there's a hell, may he rot there.

benld74

(9,904 posts)
5. They NEED to begin to take a HARD LOOK at his FINANCES!
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 05:50 PM
Apr 2012

THAT will shake him up, guaranteed! I bet he has ALOT of illegal green stashed away after all those years in office.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
6. The DOJ has been supposedly investigating him for years.
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 06:03 PM
Apr 2012

Why has it taken so long to remove this stain on humanity from his position?

He's an embarrassment to this country. But worse is that fact that people actually vote for him.

He did it, abused his powers by arresting hundreds of people 'for spite'. That should create another investigation, and those he arrested may have lawsuits against him if the only reason he went after them was 'for spite'.

This reminds me of third world dictatorships where they go after even more innocent people after there is an uprising against them.

That man belongs in an institution of some sort, he's a threat to the public.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
9. Um, perhaps you missed it, but the DOJ is suing for takeover of his department.
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 07:14 PM
Apr 2012

Unsurprisingly, since good Administration news is so seldom trumpeted on DU, the DOJ civil investigation is at an end, and pretty soon, the feds will take over the actual force.

The DOJ criminal investigation continues.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
11. A civil suit after four years of investigations and some pretty damning results
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 07:37 PM
Apr 2012

along the way. It's not my state, and I'm not among the victims of Arpaio, but let's see what the victims of Arpaio and his gang of bigoted criminals have to say about a civil suit and the lack of any action in those four years as the crimes against them continued have to say. It is, after all, their civil liberties that have been under assault for far, far too long:

Latino Leaders Tire Of Waiting For Justice Department To Act On Sheriff Joe Arpaio

Investigators with the civil rights division began looking into Arpaio’s office in 2008 under then-Attorney General Michael Mukasey. The probe started after DOJ received complaints that the sheriff’s office was abusing the civil rights of Latinos in the Phoenix area, in part because swarms of deputies were being sent into heavily Latino areas on what Arpaio called “crime suppression operations.”

In the four years since, federal investigators have been in contact with various Latino leaders and victims of the alleged abuses. They have also been spotted at court hearings on other matters in which Arpaio and his allies have taken the witness stand.

But while officials in Washington, D.C., continue to talk about what should be done, the Latinos living in Arpaio’s Maricopa County say nothing much has changed since the investigation began. Immigration raids are continuing. Racial profiling is still rampant, they said. They still see the effects of the sheriff’s alleged abuses on a daily basis.

“For us on the ground, we see the discrimination and the abuse of power,” said Randy Parraz, a community organizer and immigrant rights activist. “All of these people who are in power and can hold him accountable haven’t done it.”


That is what I was referring to, an investigation that began under the previous administration and continued up to the present time.

I will thank you not to make false accusations against me, something you do quite frequently. This IS NOT about Obama, it is about tens of thousands of Latinos in AZ whose civil rights have long been abused and by this criminal.

Not everything is about one politician. And again, do NOT accuse me falsely again or next time I will alert on such posts.

I have followed this criminal's activities together with a reporter who has worked on trying to get the word out about him since 2002. If you expect me to be silent NOW for political reasons, think again. For me, and all those who have tried to stop these abuses of power, IT DOES NOT MATTER, read it again, it does not matter who is in the WH. What matters is the rights of American citizens.

You owe me an apology but I will not hold my breath.
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
13. Um, the civil investigation was completed. It's done. Report released in
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 08:29 PM
Apr 2012

December and currently, the DOJ is pursuing the takeover of the department. That is a civil matter, not criminal.

Pursuant to said report, and statute, the DOJ offered a settlement agreement. Arpaio negotiated, as was his right to do.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/04/arpaio_posse_justice_department.php


Arpaio has just run the clock on the negotiations.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/88978349/Response-to-04112012-JSH


Is it frustrating, the slow pace that due process demands? Yes. But the next step is federal takeover.

You might try reading the other stories at your source.


sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
18. I am aware of all that. You missed the point of my post completely.
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 01:43 AM
Apr 2012

And again, you make yet another assumption:

You might try reading the other stories at your source.


It would save time and embarrassment for you if you asked people questions before telling them what they think or read or know. I have read almost everything there is to read about this case for the last eight years or so. So do not make assumptions nor as I said already, falsely accuse me of things I did not say or even think.

The point of my last comment was to inform you that I objected to your false allegation and to let you know that my interest in this case goes back nearly a decade. And until the civil rights of the Latino Community in Az are respected, it will continue regardless of the WH, Congress or anything else as it always has.

I made a comment about the case to which you chose to respond by dragging the President into it for some unknown reason since he was not mentioned nor was he a part of the discussion.

Using the President each time someone speaks about an issue has become something many, many DUers have little patience with anymore.

I'm happy that you have the luxury, at least I would hope so as I would for all Americans, not to be in a hurry regarding your civil rights. But unfortunately, those living under the oppressive, biased LE regime of the maniac in Maricopa Co Az do not have any more time. Tomorrow is too late for them.

So excuse me if I can't be as cavalier as you seem to be about the time it is taking for them to be able feel they can leave their homes and walk or drive down the street without fear of being attacked by Joe Arpaio's thugs.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
19. It seems to me that someone who read everything on the case would know about federal
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 07:32 AM
Apr 2012

takeover, and wouldn't be dismissive of the Administration's actions as a mere 'civil suit.'

You were the one who bemoaned the supposed lack of action after 'four years of investigation'--conveniently forgetting the near 30 years this guy has been operating. That's a hit on this Administration.

Using the civil rights struggle to knock the President, even backhandedly, does not help get President Obama re-elected.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
22. I don't know why you insist on blaming the President for Joe Arpaio.
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 01:35 PM
Apr 2012

Implicit in all of your comments so far is a 'blame Obama' theme, which you appear to be trying to ascribe to others who have never blamed him for Arpaio.

I have not seen the Leaders of the Latino community blame the president either. They have expressed disappointment in how long it is taking to put a stop to Arpaio's crimes. The DOJ has said they do not want to litigate the Civil Suit.

However, Arpaio and his thugs have finally gone too far, so now there is hope that he will be prosecuted.

And btw, Civil Suits do not deal with crimes. Hopefully now there will be criminal charges filed against him and finally he will be held accountable after decades, for the crimes against the people, the abuse of power, he has been responsible for.

You can put your mind at rest, Arpaio is responsible for his actions, not the President and it's hard to understand your continued insistence on dragging him into this mess.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
14. I thought we just had a thread a few days saying the DOJ had the goods on him, that he was toast.
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 11:51 PM
Apr 2012

Let me check around and see if I can find it.

From that thread, it's clear that America's Sheriff® is going down.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
15. Okay, I just found you some and the stories they link to:
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 12:03 AM
Apr 2012

It looks like from this one, that the FBI played a role. I mean, this is some serious stuff coming down that I don't see how he'll ever escape prison:

TPMMuckraker: The Evidence That Might Be Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Undoing


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014100884

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/04/sheriff_joe_arpaio_evidence_crime_thomas.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

And then there was this here, which shows that his network of cronies are collapsing:

Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s top lawyer disbarred, facing criminal charges


http://www.democraticunderground.com/101494172

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/10/sheriff-joe-arpaios-top-lawyer-facing-disbarment/

Arpaio is TOAST! Good riddance and soon there will be justice for the people of Arizona, and so many, hurt by him. The guy is an out and out crook.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
17. Yes, I read that. I hope they get him finally. He's been 'under investigation' since 2008
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 01:30 AM
Apr 2012

though, and despite many reports, eg, people dying while in the custody of his goons eg, nothing ever came of it, so far. However, people never gave up, especially the Latino community in AZ even though they risked being targeted even more by opposing him. His abuse of power has been abominable.

The DOJ says the investigation 'took longer than it should have' but blames that on him not cooperating. They say they have completed their civil investigation and found that his department ran a very biased operation. Don't know why it took four years to come to that conclusion. They also they are ready to file suit against him, but 'would rather settle the matter without litigation'. I wish they would litigate, forcing him into discovery under oath.

They also say the criminal investigation is 'ongoing'. That was in December of last year. So, hopefully with the latest discoveries, that can now speed that up.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
21. Going after this crook requires taking out his crooked friends who impeded this at every turn.
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 12:38 PM
Apr 2012

It's necessary to do this the hard way. He's already lost one major lawsuit on his treatment of illegals.

The problem, as in any state where egregious wrongs are being done, is the electorate. It will take an open and shut case to remove a man who has been elected repeatedly despite all the complaints against him for many years, not just since SB-1070, which is when AZ got national attention.

Remember that Brewer is still in power and the state legislature is in Republican hands all the while this is happening. It took years within the legal framework to stop the Bull Connors and George Wallaces who were in power for many years.

I'm sure many people in AZ don't want Arpaio in power; but the fact is, just like in the Deep South of the Civil Rights era of the last century, many, many more do support the man no matter what he does.

The DOJ and FBI, in truth, are going against the will of the voters in demanding equal treatment, just as in those years. And the so-called 'voice of the people,' the 'patriots' and the milita types in AZ scream it long and long in all their venues.

The teabaggers weren't shamed by the shooting of Gabby Giffords, in fact they doubled down. And they weren't embarrassed when that black GOP official in the state resigned due to threats and the atmosphere.

This is going to have to done so thoroughly that enough of the citizens of AZ will change their minds, or else stop supporting him.

Some teabaggers with criminal records are sitting in the House right now, doing a crime does not block them from being in office.

In a climate like this, it's nearly impossible with the obstruction. If the GOP continues to rule, we can forget getting Arpaio out of office.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
23. I absolutely blame the voters first and I believe I said that.
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 01:59 PM
Apr 2012

Having lived in AZ for two years I did not see the kind of bias reflected by Joe Arpaio in Maricopa Co but obviously it exists or they would not have Brewer in office. Otoh, Obama came relatively close, surprisingly, to beating McCain, at one point I remember thinking he just might do it, it was around a 2% difference. Finally McCain won by 8% not bad for a state no one even thought would come that close.

I think fear drives a lot of voters, but hopefully if he is eventually prosecuted, some of those who voted out of fear will begin to rethink their support for them. I guess I'm an optimist!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
24. I'm glad you're an optimist! Some of the Obama people believe the Democrats will do a sweep in AZ.
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 02:20 PM
Apr 2012

I hope (reckless optimism, I guess) that they are right. They are on the ground there, and I'm not.

I hope that enough of the people of AZ turn out and evict Arpaio, Brewer and the GOP legislature with their anti-women majority.

Who knows, when people learn enough about the crooked sheriff, they might start to have FEAR of that!!

See you later, Sabrina.

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
10. ... But, I laughed at the wrong time. ...
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 07:17 PM
Apr 2012

Oh, I laughed when Susie put her snuffer in the butter,
She could not do a thing but to snort and sneeze and stutter,
And, I laughed as she went, ha ha HA ha ha Ha ha,
But, I laughed at the wrong time.

Father says, son, you come along with me,
I have a few words I wish to say to thee,
And, I laughed as I went, ha ha HA ha ha Ha ha,
But, I laughed at the wrong time.

Father says, son, you've come along with me,
Now, bring me a switch from that apple tree,
And, I laughed as I went, ha ha HA ha ha Ha ha,
But, I laughed at the wrong time.

(Mom's gone, but some of her music remains partially remembered.)

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