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kpete

(72,014 posts)
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 09:29 PM Mar 2015

Government Ordered to Release 2,100 Pictures of Detainee Abuse

Source: Newsweek

The U.S. government has 60 days to decide whether it will release an estimated 2,100 pictures depicting U.S. military abuse of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan or appeal an order to do so, according to a decision handed down Friday by U.S. District Judge Alvin Hellerstein in New York.

The case began in 2004 when the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) sued for the release of the photos under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). A handful of images showing detainee abuse at Abu Ghraib prison surfaced in media reports that year—piles of naked bodies, detainees being led on leashes—and some of the remaining photographs are said to be even more disturbing. One image reportedly shows a female soldier pretending to sodomize a naked prisoner with a broom, while others allegedly depict U.S. troops pointing guns at detainees’ heads.

Since the ACLU first submitted its FOIA request, the Obama administration has supported the release of the Senate Intelligence Committee's long-awaited “torture report,” which describes the harsh treatment of detainees at secret CIA prisons in devastating detail. But the government argues that the photographs in particular could further encourage attacks against U.S. personnel still in Afghanistan and Iraq and could be used by the Islamic State—the terrorist group commonly known as ISIS—as propaganda to encourage new membership.

Read more: http://www.newsweek.com/government-ordered-release-2100-pictures-detainee-abuse-315680



https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/assets/abuse_photos_foia_order.pdf
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Government Ordered to Release 2,100 Pictures of Detainee Abuse (Original Post) kpete Mar 2015 OP
Let the trials begin! shraby Mar 2015 #1
We wouldn't have to worry about attacks, if the FUCKING Bush/Cheney War Criminals SoapBox Mar 2015 #2
WTF? Roy Rolling Mar 2015 #3
There's a particuarly insidious sleight of hand at play here also. To wit, the U.S. KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #4
kpete Diclotican Mar 2015 #5
I agree JonLP24 Mar 2015 #6
JonLP24 Diclotican Mar 2015 #7

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
2. We wouldn't have to worry about attacks, if the FUCKING Bush/Cheney War Criminals
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 11:18 PM
Mar 2015

hadn't started all this.

And then all sorts of sicko, pervert sadists and masochists were sent down to GITMO, to torture and humiliate who knows how many people.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
4. There's a particuarly insidious sleight of hand at play here also. To wit, the U.S.
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 01:55 AM
Mar 2015

government couldn't care less whether the rest of the world sees these pictures. Fact is, the people of Iraq and Afghanistan already know what was done to them. No, the U.S. government doesn't want the American people to see the pictures, lest their placidity be disturbed and the people start flexing their muscles.

Release of the photos might still some of the more virulent and vicious rumors swirling around about them like, for example, the possibility that some of the photos show U.S. personnel or contractors sodomizing children in front of their parents in a pathetically misguided criminal attempt to break the resistance.

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
5. kpete
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 07:11 AM
Mar 2015

kpete

if the truth about what happened in Ab Girab and other places in Iraq and Afghanistan - and many other places where we might not know about it yet - things will be rather unpleasant for many who did this - and who gave the all "okay" to do it.... When this pictures is documented and open for the public - I do hope many soldiers, officers and political leaders will feel the heat - and be prosecuted for their crimes... It was not just a "few bad apples" as they claimed - when Abu Girab, was blown up in the media - because the pictures there was to horrible to just let it go.. Even in 2004, many feared, with some justice it existed many ten of thousands of many more pictures out there, documenting the whole scale of what was happening then, and continued to happened as long as mr Bush was in office....

What US soldiers did in Iraq and Afghanistan - and good know how many other places between 2001 and 2008 is beyond disgusting - and I would say that if justice is ever to be served - all of them, who can be unidentified by this pictures - and many more who are yet to be released from this places - should be prosecuted to the full extend of the law - and punished accordningly.... Even if political leaders up to the US president have to be prosecuted about their share of the crimes - aka - all the way up to the Bush administrations highest level of authority...

If US was shown the evidences about what happened under the Aggies of the Bush administration - the full and whole evidences about the crimes about what happened then no one could claim they do not know about it - and the guilty ones had to be prosecuted - and all the evidences about it shown to the world - I doubt it would give ISIS and the rest of islamic extremists any reason to encourage new memberships all over the world.... I want the truth to get out - all of it - every single bit of the truth - to get out about the full 8 year of Bush II and its criminal Enterprise to be known - so it will never be anything like this criminal Enterprise to get a foot hold in the US anymore.... If americans was shown - that not even THEY was immune for this type of regime - it might be easier for them to accept that US are not any better than the rest of the world - no shining city on the hill as the propaganda goes..


Diclotican

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
6. I agree
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 01:48 PM
Mar 2015

though ISIS without a doubt would use the photos for propaganda but so are US-run indefinite detention facilities and it isn't like they could use this article but Obama had the correct idea in his Day 1 Memos

The Freedom of Information Act should be administered with a
clear presumption: In the face of doubt, openness prevails.
The Government should not keep information confidential merely
because public officials might be embarrassed by disclosure,
because errors and failures might be revealed, or because
of speculative or abstract fears.
Nondisclosure should never
be based on an effort to protect the personal interests of
Government officials at the expense of those they are supposed
to serve. In responding to requests under the FOIA, executive
branch agencies (agencies) should act promptly and in a spirit
of cooperation, recognizing that such agencies are servants of
the public.
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20090121/2009_FOIA_memo.pdf

I agree with Day 1 Obama but I agree with your overall point.

In the CIA documentary "Manhunt" they mention a more aggressive request from the Bush administration asking them to be more aggressive and gave them new & more approved "enhanced interrogation techniques". This was the first person to experience this more aggressive approach (BTW Nansy Pelosi was briefed on this as well many other things relating to the CIA & NSA) -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Zubaydah

The main reason why I mention him though there are many problematic reasons for mentioning him I wanted to point out the 92 hours of video tape the CIA destroyed -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_CIA_interrogation_tapes_destruction

Michael Hayden is probably correct though when he says key members of Congress were briefed on the destruction of the tapes. I don't know for sure if she was there but Nancy Pelosi was briefed early on regarding very troubling plans & operations. I didn't know this when impeachment was "off the table". I didn't intend to mention Pelosi when I started this post but I was reminded often of the briefs skimming for the tapes destruction. I can only assume it was just so inhumane they made sure the public wouldn't get a chance to see it and I don't think the concern was terror propaganda at-the-time.

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
7. JonLP24
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 02:41 PM
Mar 2015

JonLP24

I for one do not believe the tapes about mistreatment of prisoners was destroyed - government never really destroy such thing - part of it was maybe destroyed - so it could not be used against the former GOP administration - but this things never really go away - it might be discovered a decade or two down the road - to late to get anyone punished for the crimes - but at least the evidences is there...

And I also fear - that many who was shown the evidences - also was told about how it could be used - against them if they protested to much - CIA is a dangerous organization who should have been disbanded a long time ago - at least at the end of the cold war - if not before.. Truman was pushing for disbanding CIA back in the early 1950s - when the debacle in Korea was blowing up in his face - the same had Kennedy plans for - disbanding CIA - and se how that turned around - he got killed - his brother got killed - and god know how many others who have been killed - by CIA Operatives between 1963 and now....

Diocletian

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