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Omaha Steve

(99,679 posts)
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 09:14 PM Mar 2015

Syrian military helicopter crashes, insurgents capture crew

Source: AP-Excite

BEIRUT (AP) — Syrian insurgents captured several government airmen after their helicopter crashed in a rebel-held area of northwestern Syria on Sunday, activists said.

The Idlib Media Center and the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the helicopter went down near Jabal al-Zawiya, some 10 kilometers (6 miles) north of the town of Maarat al-Numan in Idlib province.

The aircraft experienced a technical malfunction and made an emergency crash-landing, according to the Observatory.

Syria's state news agency confirmed that a helicopter had crashed in Idlib after a mechanical problem and said the authorities were looking for the crew.

FULL story at link.


Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20150322/ml-syria-531164d20e.html

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Syrian military helicopter crashes, insurgents capture crew (Original Post) Omaha Steve Mar 2015 OP
They would have been better off dying in the crash. nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #1
Is that a "moderate rebel" held area, or a "bad guy rebel" held area? delrem Mar 2015 #2
Says they were captured by Al Nusra. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #3
Al Nusra, that isn't the US backed moderate rebels, then. delrem Mar 2015 #4
The "moderate rebels" are largely a figment of Washington's imagination. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #5
So the training camps in Jordan, the proxy support from delrem Mar 2015 #6
I think there was a lot of support from those countries. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #7
"The US hasn't intervened decisively enough to change anything" delrem Mar 2015 #8
Please elaborate. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #9
Are you comfortably numb, yet? delrem Mar 2015 #14
That is no response. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #16
the US has lost track of $500 million in weapons in Yemen quadrature Mar 2015 #10
Are you suggesting the US deliberately lost that materiel? Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #11
the weapons were sold for cash, and ended up in parts unknown ... quadrature Mar 2015 #12
Are you just making that up out of whole cloth? Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #13
Likewise, that the ever expanding WoT has an impact on the ME is obvious. delrem Mar 2015 #15
You are creating straw men. You seem better at that than making an actual argument. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #17
"I never said that US policy "has no appreciable impact." " delrem Mar 2015 #18
 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
3. Says they were captured by Al Nusra.
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 10:23 PM
Mar 2015

That's the Al Qaeda affiliate. And ISIS rival.

These guys just might survive.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
4. Al Nusra, that isn't the US backed moderate rebels, then.
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 10:32 PM
Mar 2015

It's so hard for me to keep up, the US supported rebels are the good guys, of course.
They must have tons of equipment and logistical support, as well as air support, so they must be winning this battle against Assad, right? For the good team?

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
5. The "moderate rebels" are largely a figment of Washington's imagination.
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 10:41 PM
Mar 2015

There aren't very many of them, relatively speaking.

They don't have tons of equipment. The US has committed to training and equipping a few thousand, but that hasn't happened yet.

Speaking of air support, I haven't heard much about the air campaign in Syria lately. Except around Kobani, when we were helping the Syrian Kurds, we just seem to bomb ISIS without coordinating with other rebels. I don't think there are many others in the ISIS heartland.

And those dang moderate rebels, such as they are, keep coordinating with the Islamists, including Al Nusra, and sometimes bands of them get folded into Al Nusra, and then our equipment and our training ends up with the local Al Qaeda affiliate.

Kerry hinted recently he was open to talking to Assad instead of insisting his departure be the starting point of negotiations. A negotiated settlement and then everybody going after ISIS and Al Nusra would be progress.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
6. So the training camps in Jordan, the proxy support from
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 10:46 PM
Mar 2015

Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey (in the main), didn't happen.
Cool, I didn't think so either. I heard so little about it on the news, in the MSM, that I knew it couldn't be happening. And on DU, there's been total negation. Friends of Libya, Friends of Syria, didn't happen. I like that, to be freed from awareness.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
7. I think there was a lot of support from those countries.
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 11:21 PM
Mar 2015

Guns and money. Some of it went to the FSA--the moderate rebels--some of it went to Islamist factions. The problem was, there was never any unified armed opposition; it was (and is) a bunch of armed militias vying with each other as much as Assad, and the Islamists, whether Al Nusra, ISIS, or others, have done a better job of kicking ass.

I think the CIA had a secret program to train and equip "moderate rebels" before Obama made it official. But it was chump change compared to what the Saudis and Qatar were/are doing.

The US hasn't intervened decisively enough to change anything, just to add to the fuckupedness. In general, we've been a baleful influence there, encouraging the rebels who have already lost to keep bleeding the country in order to pressure Assad. That's a pretty cynical game.

 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
10. the US has lost track of $500 million in weapons in Yemen
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 03:16 PM
Mar 2015

those weapons are now everywhere in the ME.
......
seems rather decisive to me

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
11. Are you suggesting the US deliberately lost that materiel?
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 03:31 PM
Mar 2015

And I don't know how you know where those weapons are.

I used the word "decisive" in regard to US policy in Syria. The US has not done anything decisive. It has not directly intervened militarily. Its assistance to "moderate rebels" has been more symbolic than anything. It has not done anything to stop the fighting, but rather has acted quite cynically to encourage it.

Don't get me wrong. I think the US should stay the hell out of Syria. It's not our country. It's not even our neighborhood.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
13. Are you just making that up out of whole cloth?
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 05:10 PM
Mar 2015

Or do you have any evidence to back your claims?

Who sold the weapons for cash? And to whom?

I mean, yeah, we don't know where they are, so they indeed "ended up in parts unknown." But other than that, what have you got?

delrem

(9,688 posts)
15. Likewise, that the ever expanding WoT has an impact on the ME is obvious.
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 05:38 PM
Mar 2015

The notion being floated, that the US accompanied by it's partners Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, has had no appreciable impact on the war on Syria is ludicrous. How can one discuss the issue rationally with people who would deny such a basic as that?

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
17. You are creating straw men. You seem better at that than making an actual argument.
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 06:09 PM
Mar 2015

I said the US had not acted decisively, either by doing something really stupid like invading or by actually working to achieve peace. Instead, it seeks to cynically bleed Syria.

I mentioned the US as a baleful influence and cited the role of Saudia Arabia and Qatar.

I never said that US policy "has no appreciable impact."

You seem to want to deliberately misinterpret what I say. Why am I wasting time on you? You've got nothing but snark.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
18. "I never said that US policy "has no appreciable impact." "
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 07:26 PM
Mar 2015

"The US hasn't intervened decisively enough to change anything"

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