They sent the NSA adviser and Susan Rice to AIPAC.

Interesting.

for comfort (using bing not google)

Assets: $110 million USD
Income: $90.65 million USD


insane for just a group claiming it's about peace not money AIPAC is not a non profit

AIPAC got Samantha Powers as well.

Powers and Rice communicate an alliance between the two countries.

Sending the President's CoS says "I'm with you guys."

All they're missing is a Poochie mascot.

You certainly wouldn't see anyone say what McDonough said to AIPAC.

Know what the big difference between AIPAC and J-street is?

AIPAC believes Israel's will should be imposed upon the Palestinians. Israel's desires are first, middle, and last, and if the Palestinians don't like it, then they ought to be shot, bombed, crushed, and otherwise brutalized until forced to accept it.

J-Street believes Israel's will should be imposed upon the Palestinians. Israel's desires are first, middle, and last, and if the Palestinians don't like it, then... then...

Radio silence from J-Street as to what is to be done if Palestinians don't just fall over to embrace J-street's "plan." of course, we already KNOW what happens when Palestinians oppose the imposition of Israel's whims upon them. They get shot, bombed, crushed, and otherwise brutalized.

These two organizations are for all intents and purposes the same. They're the same on Palestine, they're the same on treating Gaza and Jerusalem as if they are separate issues (They are also the same in killing Gazans and not dividing Jerusalem.) They're the same on Iran, and basically everywhere else, they are the same. most of J-Street's "FAQ" page is them sucking up to polish how hard-nosed and "srs bzns" they are about Israeli supremacy.

J-street's role is to take the same colonialist turd, and try to sell it to a younger audience. The "feud" with AIPAC is pretty much cornerstone of this, to create the appearance that J-Street is "fresh," "new,' and "progressive.

Their issue is what is good for Israel.

That's why it's called J-Street and not P-Street.

The "rivalry" is PR, and nothing more. It enables AIPAC to look like the "sensible" choice for an older, more conservative audience, while J Street gets to look like the "fresh idealists" for a younger crowd. As i say, and as you seem to agree with, they are both Israel-firsters, and have no actual consideration for the human cost of that.

Because... well... Israel is the oppressor against Palestine. Lending support to the oppressor and ignoring hte oppressed does not end oppression, ever. And ending the oppression is the key to the peace that J Street claims it is for. But like AIPAC, it doesn't want peace, it wants Israeli dominance.

foundation of support against AIPAC and Bibi.

The Palestinians should be part of this conversation, not just one side..they deserve and
have the legal right to a viable state. There is an opening for them here, I hope
they take it.

and immediately begins invading Israel for more territory, then claim something else beyond the 1967 borders?

Likely land swaps will be made, and West Bank will belong to Israel, and Ramallah will be Palestine's.

the law..no viable state, no peace. You may get away with it, but you can't control
the reaction to screwing people out of their future.

Seems pretty clear Israeli officials and their supporters do not appreciate the reality
of the consequences of their actions. Whatever backlash they receive, their leaders
will be responsible for until they make it right.

and that isn't going to happen.

The Palestinians will need a means to defend themselves against their very aggressive neighbor.

Actually two-states will never happen, so this conversation is moot.

If Israel has the West Bank, there is nothing left over for the Palestinians.

Ramallah is part of the West Bank, which is the entire occupied territory and all outside the 67 borders. It is Israel that has built an increasing number of settlements throughout the entire West Bank. If they claim all the settlements, what is left resembles swiss cheese. In many places, Israel has settlements on many hill tops - with the Palestinians in the valleys until they are inconvenient.

What they are speaking of is letting Israel take settlements built along the border, swapping land (where I don't know) elsewhere. One thing that came out in the last week before the election is that more settlements will be built and Netanyahu said the intent of the Bethlehem area settlements is to take over more land near Jerusalem.

Try to keep a grasp on reality. Next you'll be saying the Palestinians will be bulldozing Israeli houses, business and farms, and forcing the Israelis out of Jerusalem.

Your "land swaps" point is absurd.

The UN should set a deadline for Israel to work out a two state deal, and if they don't make it, those in the occupied territories will become Israeli citizens will full voting and civil rights.

That's what should have happened in the first place back in '47, and it would have been a hell of a lot easier to work it out than starting with apartheid and ending up there almost 70 years later.

on a liberal site – how's that for a disregard for basic human rights?

That gave bigots on the board the idea, IMO, that promoting Republican ideas was okay - as long as you aren't so stupid as to announce here that you ARE a Republican or that you want their ideas to prevail.

Unintended and long lasting consequences sometimes.

K&R

I know it's not intentional on your part, but references to Israelis occupying DC is too close to "Zionist Occupied Government" for comfort

As such, Republicans consider them to be BFFs the same way they did with South Africa and that's where they get some of their ideas about the Middle East.

Where ELSE would they have gotten "Islamo-fascist"?

"What word of Netanyahu's can folks believe today?"

No more pretending...... and that goes for just about everything the cons of the world are pretending about, for reasons still a complete mystery.

What was that only thing again we should not have to fear?

Support the Palestinians at the UN and it will happen. No?

Although the disappointments were there (gitmo, etc) we had out man in there for a while.

The idea of a two state solution is about as dead as the Dead Sea. We need to quit flogging this idea. It's over. We need new solutions.

Get ready for the terrorist attack,Je suis Freedom Tower..

"No, no, I support the poor now. We should give free stuff away to the 47%."