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villager

(26,001 posts)
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 02:28 PM Apr 2015

Governor Brown Directs First-Ever Statewide Mandatory Water Reductions

Source: Gov.ca

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For the first time in state history, the Governor has directed the State Water Resources Control Board to implement mandatory water reductions in cities and towns across California to reduce water usage by 25 percent. This savings amounts to approximately 1.5 million acre-feet of water over the next nine months, or nearly as much as is currently in Lake Oroville.

To save more water now, the order will also:

-Replace 50 million square feet of lawns throughout the state with drought tolerant landscaping in partnership with local governments;
-Direct the creation of a temporary, statewide consumer rebate program to replace old appliances with more water and energy efficient models;
-Require campuses, golf courses, cemeteries and other large landscapes to make significant cuts in water use; and
-Prohibit new homes and developments from irrigating with potable water unless water-efficient drip irrigation systems are used, and ban watering of ornamental grass on public street medians.

Increase Enforcement

The Governor's order calls on local water agencies to adjust their rate structures to implement conservation pricing, recognized as an effective way to realize water reductions and discourage water waste.

Agricultural water users - which have borne much of the brunt of the drought to date, with hundreds of thousands of fallowed acres, significantly reduced water allocations and thousands of farmworkers laid off - will be required to report more water use information to state regulators, increasing the state's ability to enforce against illegal diversions and waste and unreasonable use of water under today's order. Additionally, the Governor's action strengthens standards for Agricultural Water Management Plans submitted by large agriculture water districts and requires small agriculture water districts to develop similar plans. These plans will help ensure that agricultural communities are prepared in case the drought extends into 2016.

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Read more: http://gov.ca.gov/news.php?id=18910

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Governor Brown Directs First-Ever Statewide Mandatory Water Reductions (Original Post) villager Apr 2015 OP
Thank god he is the Governor and not some clown con...Arnie would have done this too though NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #1
The cons will scream that this "proves" we can have no more environmental safeguards villager Apr 2015 #3
So how about bottle water? daleanime Apr 2015 #2
Nestlé has exported all of it out of state Optical.Catalyst Apr 2015 #20
...... daleanime Apr 2015 #21
I don't see where he's limited the bottled water industry or fracking - this needs to happen williesgirl Apr 2015 #4
He certainly needs to limit fracking. As of yesterday. Or the day before that. villager Apr 2015 #5
+1 BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #9
Yes, ban fracking Governor Brown. We would need millions to have his back against the Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #7
Yes. The state should exercise its eminent domain rights over any wells and properties in JDPriestly Apr 2015 #11
He should also force HOAs to allow artificial lawns cosmicone Apr 2015 #6
Water restrictions have been in place for a long time in New Mexico. CA can do it. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #8
Northern California counties are having real problems with cannabis cultivation... mike_c Apr 2015 #10
DO SOMETHING about those damned lawns in Brentwood, Beverly Hills, etc. SoapBox Apr 2015 #12
And the Central Valley. (Bakersfield, anyway.) deurbano Apr 2015 #18
A drop in the bucket (pun fully intended) nichomachus Apr 2015 #13
Agreed, but these are all steps in a paradigm shift that will be forced on us anyway villager Apr 2015 #14
I find it horribly ironic... americannightmare Apr 2015 #16
Stop taking daily showers ErikJ Apr 2015 #15
Your Co-Workers Sparhawk60 Apr 2015 #23
I dont think so. ErikJ Apr 2015 #28
Once a month? yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #26
Dermatologists recommend luke warm water and no soap. ErikJ Apr 2015 #27
I'm with you and, Good Grief, 3 showers a day??? How selfish and wasteful. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #33
A good first step. former9thward Apr 2015 #17
I just wonder how it's going to work marlakay Apr 2015 #19
It's not difficult to figure out who is using water and how much. We call it: water meters. Hekate Apr 2015 #32
I can picture Ronnie Rayguns now............ raven mad Apr 2015 #22
Put $$ in to Research and Development Sparhawk60 Apr 2015 #24
NO. Don't go there. Desalination takes tons of electrical energy. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #34
Not a Problem Sparhawk60 Apr 2015 #36
Better still, the Ice Caps disappear, opening up tons more acreage for drilling! NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #37
Brilliant!!! Sparhawk60 Apr 2015 #39
I see people hosing off their driveways at night, ashamed to to have other see them waste water. zonkers Apr 2015 #25
The crows have all moved to my neighborhood Retrograde Apr 2015 #29
Why? Sparhawk60 Apr 2015 #35
Actually.. its an office/live/work complex. Heavily trafficked. They hose instead of sweeping. zonkers Apr 2015 #38
The Guv talked to us like adults, used complex concepts, laid it all out. Thank Gods he is our gov... Hekate Apr 2015 #30
It's about time. but I also think it's a drop in the bucket. IcyPeas Apr 2015 #31

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
1. Thank god he is the Governor and not some clown con...Arnie would have done this too though
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 02:29 PM
Apr 2015

given his stance on climate change.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
3. The cons will scream that this "proves" we can have no more environmental safeguards
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 02:33 PM
Apr 2015

Even though it was their worldview that got us into this exacerbated drought mess in the first place!

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
9. +1
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 02:50 PM
Apr 2015

When water is worth more than the oil they can get out of fracking, it will only make sense. But California needs to do it now. I hope he does do something. And bottled water should be gone or taxed to death.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
7. Yes, ban fracking Governor Brown. We would need millions to have his back against the
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 02:43 PM
Apr 2015

industrial sized backlash.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
11. Yes. The state should exercise its eminent domain rights over any wells and properties in
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 02:53 PM
Apr 2015

the state that are used to mine our precious water and of course ban fracking if it uses California water or in any way diminishes the clean water supply in California.

No company or person should profit from our water shortage. Commercially sold and bottled water should be brought in from out of our state. The water in California should belong to the people of California. If we don't restrict water rights in that way, the poor will die of thirst and the rich will pay dearly for water. Water is like air -- a necessity. We can't allow companies to pollute our air and then sell us purified air. Same for water.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
6. He should also force HOAs to allow artificial lawns
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 02:43 PM
Apr 2015

In my community, the old geezers on the architectural review committee think of artificial turf as low-brow and insist on real lawns.

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
10. Northern California counties are having real problems with cannabis cultivation...
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 02:50 PM
Apr 2015

...and water diversion, with many streams being pumped nearly dry to serve back country grows. While I support cannabis growers generally, water diversion is a real problem up here. Part of the problem can be solved by legalization-- those grows way up the canyon are likely there now because of prohibition, but that isn't going to help the rural land owners who depend upon cannabis today. It will require that cultivation be moved to places with sufficient water to plant, i.e. it will make cannabis compete with existing agriculture for access to increasingly fewer acre-feet of stored water.

That will likely be a real bummer for my county's economy, which is currently based almost exclusively on cannabis production, most of it in rural grows dependent upon small streams and rivers.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
12. DO SOMETHING about those damned lawns in Brentwood, Beverly Hills, etc.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 02:53 PM
Apr 2015

Us poor people with nothing but some dead plants are not the problem.

deurbano

(2,895 posts)
18. And the Central Valley. (Bakersfield, anyway.)
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 05:15 PM
Apr 2015

My mom has a huge, plush green lawn (to the back, front and side of her house) with all kinds of flowers and other plants out in the middle of what used to be desert (when I was growing up there, it was still desert)...and a huge swimming pool... with a big hot tub off of it...and a fountain tumbling over a rock formation that you're supposed to jump off into the pool... in a 3700 square foot house where she is the only occupant. Her whole neighborhood is like that (except the only one occupant part).

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
13. A drop in the bucket (pun fully intended)
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 02:59 PM
Apr 2015

In California, 83 percent of the water is used by agriculture -- much of it for crops and livestock that could be grown and raised elsewhere.

http://www.publiclandsranching.org/htmlres/wr_guzzling_water.htm

Another big culprit, at least in Southern California are tamarisk trees. The railroads planted hundreds of thousand, if not millions, of tamarisk trees as windbreaks. They are water hogs.

A mature tamarisk can use up to 200 gallons of water a day. By comparison, our home water usage for last month was 5,200 gallons. Estimates are that the water used by the tamarisks alone in a year could provide water for 20,000,000 people.

My not hosing down my driveway is really not going to do anything when compared to this.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
14. Agreed, but these are all steps in a paradigm shift that will be forced on us anyway
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 03:03 PM
Apr 2015

As human-exacerbated drought continues, agricultural practices, landscaping with "exotics," all of it, will eventually have to change.

I think today's announcement was simply the beginning of a shift in "water culture" here in California (even if many are hoping, "well, it will surely not get any harder than this!&quot

americannightmare

(322 posts)
16. I find it horribly ironic...
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 03:42 PM
Apr 2015

that the tamarisks were planted by the railroads, a mode of transportation which we moved away from to one which has in large part caused the conditions which now should occasion their removal, while we will eventually be using rail transport more (or should), which would necessitate a replacement for the tamarisks.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
15. Stop taking daily showers
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 03:27 PM
Apr 2015

I used to shower daily but now once a month or so which has cured my itching skin spots, athletes foot and yes even BO.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
28. I dont think so.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 12:23 PM
Apr 2015

My co-worker girlfriend at work would say something. I am fit, clean and I keep my clothes very clean. I definitely have less underarm BO problems so no BO spray needed anymore, and I use baby wipes on the nether region every few days.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
26. Once a month?
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 10:15 AM
Apr 2015

How about changing from 3 showers a day to 2 showers a day. That is very typical for those who work out. Morning, after work out and before bed. You have to shower after working out you have no choice.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
27. Dermatologists recommend luke warm water and no soap.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 12:11 PM
Apr 2015

To get the sweat off. You do NOT want to use hot water and soap to strip off the natural oils or upset the microflora balance.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
33. I'm with you and, Good Grief, 3 showers a day??? How selfish and wasteful.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 03:07 PM
Apr 2015

Is it supposed to be OK to use that much water because a person works out?

I say bullshit. If you work out, do it after work and then take one shower to cover the work day and the work out.

Taking more than one shower a day is an obscene waste of water.

former9thward

(32,071 posts)
17. A good first step.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 04:07 PM
Apr 2015

The big issue, however, is agriculture and this order does not really address that other than to make more plans. I hope something can be worked out.

marlakay

(11,486 posts)
19. I just wonder how it's going to work
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 06:30 PM
Apr 2015

Are they going to make everyone cut 25% usage?

Doesn't seem fair to the ones that are already hardly using any while others haven't been at all.

I have family and friends that already let their lawns die, etc.

I don't think charging more is the answer because then all the richies down south would laugh and just keep wasting.

Hekate

(90,784 posts)
32. It's not difficult to figure out who is using water and how much. We call it: water meters.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:18 PM
Apr 2015

It can be pretty readily determined how many there are in each household and what a reasonable rate of use is. Just because my husband and I live in the house we raised our kids in doesn't mean that we 2 should continue consuming water for a family of 4.

Green lawns become a matter of social conscience -- one's neighbors will have something to say about each other's yards, and the rich will not be exempt for long, I can assure you. During the last big drought we had a bajillionaire from the Middle East locally who thought he could dig his own well on his estate in order to escape what the rest of us had to live with. He was not allowed to do that, since the aquifer involved belongs to all of us.

Some of this is not rocket science, or even very difficult. Public municipal records can be cross-referenced.

 

Sparhawk60

(359 posts)
24. Put $$ in to Research and Development
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 06:30 AM
Apr 2015

Put $$ in to the research and development of a way to turn salt walter in to fresh water. I know it sounds all science fictiony, but I am willing to bet we can come up with SOME way to make this happen.



/ O, wait, never mind, the ancient greeks already figured out how to do it.


 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
34. NO. Don't go there. Desalination takes tons of electrical energy.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 03:09 PM
Apr 2015

Solar distillation is fine but the acreage needed is obscene.

We need to limit growth and we need to meter all water use and incentivize conservation...

No desalination, though, because the moment there's a break in the drought, developers will use it as a rationale to build more shit.

 

Sparhawk60

(359 posts)
36. Not a Problem
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 03:20 PM
Apr 2015

You power the desalination plants by firing up a bunch of high sulfur coal burning plants to produce the needed energy. The smog from burning all that coal then blocks out the sun's light, resulting in reducing global warming AND a reduction in agricultural output, there by requiring less water. Truly a win/win/win situation!!!


What could possibly go wrong???

 

zonkers

(5,865 posts)
25. I see people hosing off their driveways at night, ashamed to to have other see them waste water.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 07:43 AM
Apr 2015

I also notice... the crow population seems to be massively reduced.

Retrograde

(10,152 posts)
29. The crows have all moved to my neighborhood
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:55 PM
Apr 2015

where they've driven off the native scrub jays.

My town has been encouraging drought-tolerant landscaping for some time (manicured gravel with a few well-placed native or similar shrubs is popular) so that expanses of green lawn really stand out. But that's a drop in an empty reservoir compared to the alfalfa, cotton, pistachio and almond growers in the Central Valley, who have already been blaming the drought on Ms Pelosi.

 

zonkers

(5,865 posts)
38. Actually.. its an office/live/work complex. Heavily trafficked. They hose instead of sweeping.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 05:53 PM
Apr 2015

Less work. Lazy~

Hekate

(90,784 posts)
30. The Guv talked to us like adults, used complex concepts, laid it all out. Thank Gods he is our gov...
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:06 PM
Apr 2015

...in this moment.

I wish we did not have that incredibly stupid term limits law.

We are in the midst of the worst drought in 1,200 years, and global climate change is heavily implicated. Governor Brown did not mince words -- our lives are going to change, period.

IcyPeas

(21,901 posts)
31. It's about time. but I also think it's a drop in the bucket.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:10 PM
Apr 2015

Much more needs to be done as suggested above -- Nestle and fracking.

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