Greek PM in Moscow for Putin meet that rattles EU
Source: AFP
Moscow (AFP) - Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras was to meet Kremlin strongman Vladimir Putin in Moscow Wednesday as part of an eye-catching visit that has fuelled EU fears that cash-strapped Athens is cosying up to Russia.
The two-day trip comes as Tsipras is battling to unblock a rescue package from the EU and IMF, with some in Brussels warning against any move to barter financial support from Moscow for political backing over the Ukraine crisis.
But analysts say that while the visit might see Moscow lift an embargo on Greek fruit, overall it is more about political grandstanding aimed at pressuring Europe rather than a serious shift in policy.
Tsipras, a former Communist who came to power in January, has made no secret of seeking closer ties to Russia at a time when Moscow is at loggerheads with the European Union over the conflict in Ukraine.
Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/greek-pm-moscow-putin-meet-rattles-eu-032442672.html
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)rpannier
(24,337 posts)I find the wording of the article interesting
-Kremlin Strongman
-a former Communist
These descriptions are in the story because?
Whether Tsipras was a Communist seems irrelevant to the story
And why is Putin the Kremlin Strongman, instead of President
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)the Russian government as 'anti-imperialist' (which is absurd to the point of delusional, but it's a thing);
(B) Putin routinely has his opponents imprisoned and assassinated.
rpannier
(24,337 posts)In fact, the story only statement tying the two nations together appears to be the statement about both countries being Orthodox Christian countries
So, it begs the question, 'Why mention he is a former Communist when the story doesn't make any reference to why it's significant?"
As to Putin throwing people in jail
Saudi Arabia still does crucifixions. I have yet to see a story on the Saudi Royal family referring to them as the Crucifixion Supportive Royal Family of the KSA
Their choice of terminology for their stories is selective, to say the least
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)family--rule by monarch is not democratic.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Yahoo, figure out if you're reporting or editorializing.
Bosonic
(3,746 posts)Pooka Fey
(3,496 posts)Pooka Fey
(3,496 posts)Attempts to impose EU political agendas on sovereign nations like Greece are anti-democratic. Greek voters elected Tsipras to implement policies which will improve the lives of the citizens of Greece. Period.
There was quite a bit of blatant editorializing in this article. Referring to the elected president of Russia as "Kremlin strongman" is a Red Scare tactic worthy of the New McCarthyism we are now seeing in the West. Evidenced by the Toronto Symphony Orchestra cancelling a performance by a Ukrainian Pianist because her political beliefs don't fall in line with the approved Washington dogma.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026471571
We are living in a new McCarthy era. Critical thinkers beware and watch your backs.
Bosonic
(3,746 posts)From the horse's mouth:
The EU is a unique economic and political partnership between 28 European countries that together cover much of the continent.
The EU was created in the aftermath of the Second World War. The first steps were to foster economic cooperation: the idea being that countries who trade with one another become economically interdependent and so more likely to avoid conflict. The result was the European Economic Community (EEC), created in 1958, and initially increasing economic cooperation between six countries: Belgium, Germany, France, Italy, Luxembourg and the Netherlands. Since then, a huge single market has been created and continues to develop towards its full potential.
From economic to political union
What began as a purely economic union has evolved into an organisation spanning policy areas, from development aid to environment. A name change from the EEC to the European Union (EU) in 1993 reflected this.
The EU is based on the rule of law: everything that it does is founded on treaties, voluntarily and democratically agreed by all member countries. These binding agreements set out the EU's goals in its many areas of activity.
http://europa.eu/about-eu/index_en.htm
Pooka Fey
(3,496 posts)I took a class in the EU for a semester to qualify for an advanced French language diploma, so I know all the reasons, very admirable ones, for the EU. Nevertheless, the nations comprising the EU voted against a constitution, to drive home a point, for which I understand the reasons perfectly.
I don't want to trade internet articles about this, because I live here and talk to Europeans daily. Misunderstandings about any sort of political consensus and scope in Europe are what are driving current conversations about an EU breakup or reorganization.
When EU policies directly destroy industry in France to profit German industries, such as current changes being considered in the agricultural sector, it is normal and rational to consider alternatives. This is just another example, besides the Greek example, of how an economic union hurts rather than helps individual nations. Consider the case of Iceland, who has withdrawn its application for membership.
The reality of the EU today is not AT ALL what Schuman and Monnet had in mind after WWII, they intended to create socialists societies, not neo-liberal societies.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Been a long time since I was in Europe, but I do remember the students in a class I was teaching (computer operators) in Denmark saying they could see the advantages of a trade agreement, being in the EU, but there was no way they would vote to join the EU if they had to start using the Euro instead of their own currency. Because to do that was the start of letting Germany control things. To this day, Denmark is using its own currency. Those guys were quite correct.
Pooka Fey
(3,496 posts)Thank you. The common currency is a problem that the UK also avoided as they remained under the British pound sterling.
Another economic problem hurting the EU is the fiscal paradises. I've heard that if France could recover the tax money it is owed by companies basing their headquarters in fiscal paradises, France would have no debt and thus no need for austerity policies. I imagine this would hold true for other EU countries including Greece.
This is a great new documentary (2015 release) about this issue: the French title is "Le Prix à Payer" by Harold Crooks. I couldn't find an English title or release date in my brief IMDB search - here's a link from Le Figaro. The Film is in English and French with English subtitles.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/conjoncture/2015/02/06/20002-20150206ARTFIG00004--le-prix-a-payer-un-documentaire-qui-denonce-les-paradis-fiscaux.php
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)constitution, so that's not much of an argument.
There are a whole host of EU treaties that cover a bunch of political issues, including foreign policy and human rights. These treaties, and their implementation by the EU including its judiciary, are binding upon the member states.
Pooka Fey
(3,496 posts)Oh, loved your comment asking me if I thought Putin was a Leftist! No way you could infer that by anything I said ever. But I don't look for logic on DU, so I didn't reply on purpose. Your snark level did get to me on this one, so good for you.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)P.S. "I speak French, so I know more than you" loses its cachet around the sophomore year of high school.
Pooka Fey
(3,496 posts)Pooka Fey
(3,496 posts)To argue that the EU doesn't need a constitution because the UK doesn't have one is comparing apples and oranges. The UK is too old and stable politically to have had need for a formal constitution, unlike the USA, France and Germany.
Essentially because the country has been too stable for too long. The governing elites of many European nations, such as France and Germany, have been forced to draw up constitutions in response to popular revolt or war.
Great Britain, by contrast, remained free of the revolutionary fervour that swept much of the Continent in the 19th century. As a result, this country's democracy has been reformed incrementally over centuries rather than in one big bang. For younger countries, including the United States and Australia, codification of their citizens' rights and political systems was an essential step towards independence. Ironically, several based their written constitutions on Britain's unwritten version.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-big-question-why-doesnt-the-uk-have-a-written-constitution-and-does-it-matter-781975.html
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)seriously, who wrote this shit?
Why shouldn't the Greek Prime Minister meet with the Russian President. Greece needs help. Greece and Russia have some common interests to do business; Greece needs $$ and Russian needs pipeline routes for its oil and gas and maybe could use a spare warm water port.
EU's sole interest is in bailing out its banks that made bad loans on the backs of the poorest who didn't take out the loans to begin with. Not unlike when Iceland's 1% bankers went down and the IMF thought they would make Iceland's reindeerherders bail out them out.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)Russia or the whole EU sanctions package is scuttled.
All member countries in the EU must approve.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)since they need to sell their fruit to Russia, who needs fruit.
They should vote against the sanctions. Greece needs to take care of Greece first.
Hestia
(3,818 posts)Is the EU worried that Russian monies will then prop up the Greek economy? Who would blame Greece for going where the money is and not being forced to hand over the store to Germany.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/moscows-mafia-finds-an-island-in-the-sun-cyprus-is-awash-with-dubious-dollars-from-russia-robert-fisk-reports-from-limassol-on-the-visitors-with-private-jets-bulging-suitcases-and-a-reluctance-to-answer-questions-1381056.html
http://www.voxeu.org/article/russian-cyprus-round-tripping-corruption-linked-money-laundering
The above links are old but the laundering happened for over 20 years in Cyprus - Greece could be next if Germany doesn't butt the fuck out and give Greece some breathing room.