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Grassy Knoll

(10,118 posts)
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 03:09 AM Apr 2012

Pennsylvania Primary: Blue Dog Democrats Lose Seats

Source: huffingtonpost

WASHINGTON -- It was a not-so-super Tuesday for Pennsylvania's Blue Dog Democrats.

Reps. Tim Holden (D-Pa.) and Jason Altmire (D-Pa.), both members of the dwindling conservative Democratic coalition, lost their primary races on Tuesday. Before the defeat of the two incumbents, there were just 25 Blue Dogs left in Congress, after the coalition's members were wiped out in the 2010 election.

Holden lost to progressive candidate Matt Cartwright, an attorney who attacked the incumbent for voting against President Barack Obama's health care reform. Holden is the second House member to lose to a newcomer in the 2012 primaries. The other lawmaker was Rep. Jean Schmidt (R-Ohio). Both were also targeted by the anti-incumbent super PAC, the Campaign for Primary Accountability.

Getting a progressive Democrat into Pennsylvania's newly redrawn 17th Congressional District was a priority for progressive groups, including MoveOn and the League of Conservation Voters. The latter ran the largest independent expenditure campaign in the race, which included a $230,000 TV ad buy on broadcast and cable networks in the Scranton media market. The spot criticized Holden for opposing Obama's clean energy plan.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/24/pennsylvania-primary-blue-dog-democrats_n_1450926.html



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Pennsylvania Primary: Blue Dog Democrats Lose Seats (Original Post) Grassy Knoll Apr 2012 OP
Ba buy now. I hope you all do not let the door slam into...... left on green only Apr 2012 #1
Yeah. I'd hate to damage the finish on the door. ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2012 #2
Let's hope the Dems in those districts come out in November BumRushDaShow Apr 2012 #3
Phone banker here PADemD Apr 2012 #17
Keep it coming~ goclark Apr 2012 #4
So two r-lite blue dogs are replaced with two progressive D's? What's not to love about that? : ) peacebird Apr 2012 #5
Critz is hardly a DU Progressive mathematic Apr 2012 #7
So we exchanged one jerk for another... Typical PA... Justice wanted Apr 2012 #9
There's really no way around that, given the district mathematic Apr 2012 #13
That's true all around. I unfortunately LIVE are the area you are calling rural outskirts of Pittsb Justice wanted Apr 2012 #24
It's great -- assuming the progressives can beat the Republicans in those districts Recursion Apr 2012 #8
Assuming we don't lose those seats it's great. nt Codeine Apr 2012 #22
Good. This is where it is at, people. bemildred Apr 2012 #6
What is so intimidating about a blue dog? Crowman1979 Apr 2012 #10
No one has yet answered the question: Can they beat the Republicans? Their districts were redrawn to Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2012 #11
The districts themselves are a bit more Democratic than they were 2 years ago Recursion Apr 2012 #14
Yes, Critz can beat a Republican mathematic Apr 2012 #15
We will never find out if we never elect them in the primary, bemildred Apr 2012 #16
Are you kidding me? This is something that I've been screaming about for years!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2012 #18
Screaming doesn't accomplish a damn thing. nt bemildred Apr 2012 #19
Have you ever heard of "figure of speech" or are you just trying to be a smart ass? Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2012 #20
I'm not keeping you from your work am I? bemildred Apr 2012 #23
If you have nothing positive, intelligent or useful to write to me, then don't. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2012 #25
"You are now on IGNORE. Have a nice day." bemildred Apr 2012 #27
Good! Hubert Flottz Apr 2012 #12
Karma can suck, can't it, guys? closeupready Apr 2012 #21
How is it that progressives keep driving the Democrats to victory Downtown Hound Apr 2012 #26

BumRushDaShow

(129,124 posts)
3. Let's hope the Dems in those districts come out in November
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 05:23 AM
Apr 2012

because the crazy rethug zombie hoards certainly will even if they hate Rmoney.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
5. So two r-lite blue dogs are replaced with two progressive D's? What's not to love about that? : )
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 07:14 AM
Apr 2012

One is progressive, the other has heavy union support. Sweet!

mathematic

(1,439 posts)
7. Critz is hardly a DU Progressive
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 09:16 AM
Apr 2012

He's against environmental protections. He's pro Marsellas Shale natural gas development. He's stridently pro life. He's pro war. He was against the repeal of don't ask don't tell. These are all things that he's more to the right of Altmire on. Nevertheless, Critz and Altmire are substantially similar. If you hate one you probably hate the other.

Also this district was a merge between two D held districts. Both Critz and Altmire are currently Representatives.

mathematic

(1,439 posts)
13. There's really no way around that, given the district
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 09:39 AM
Apr 2012

It's the rural outskirts of pittsburgh. I'm not at all convinced that any other type of dem can win in the area.

There is a positive way to look at this though. Since PA is losing a representative and that representative is a D, due to R control of the redistricting, it's good that it was one of these two.

Justice wanted

(2,657 posts)
24. That's true all around. I unfortunately LIVE are the area you are calling rural outskirts of Pittsb
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 12:50 PM
Apr 2012

urgh. Funny how my area gets lumpped into that grouping.


What amazes me about the area is that I know 3 interracial couples and the white partners all hate Obama and wouldn't trust him because he's a "Muslim"


I want to move so badly just can't afford to right now.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
8. It's great -- assuming the progressives can beat the Republicans in those districts
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 09:21 AM
Apr 2012

Nominating a progressive who can win is awesome. Replacing a blue dog with a progressive who can't win is stupid. Fortunately both of these are somewhat more liberal districts than last time around.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
6. Good. This is where it is at, people.
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 09:12 AM
Apr 2012

This is how we "take back America", throw them out when they disobey.

Crowman1979

(3,844 posts)
10. What is so intimidating about a blue dog?
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 09:29 AM
Apr 2012

A blue dog is something you bring out to a parade or a cheap circus.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
11. No one has yet answered the question: Can they beat the Republicans? Their districts were redrawn to
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 09:31 AM
Apr 2012

give Republicans the advantage. All of this celebration is moot unless they can beat the Republicans.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
14. The districts themselves are a bit more Democratic than they were 2 years ago
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 09:40 AM
Apr 2012

The advantage to the Republicans is that there are fewer D districts; the districts that do remain are more solidly Democratic. Same thing as in Ohio -- Kucinich's district is even more Democratic than it was before, but it put him head to head with another D Representative.

mathematic

(1,439 posts)
15. Yes, Critz can beat a Republican
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 09:41 AM
Apr 2012

Since he's currently a sitting Congressman. This was a district merge, like the kucinich/kaptur OH merge. Unlike that merge, nobody's crying over the loss of one of these guys.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
16. We will never find out if we never elect them in the primary,
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 09:49 AM
Apr 2012

So if you want progressive policy to have a voice in Congress, this is how you go about it.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
18. Are you kidding me? This is something that I've been screaming about for years!!
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 10:57 AM
Apr 2012

All this blaming Obama for not "passing" liberal/progressive policies. I and many others here on DU have been spitting out a spleen trying to get people to understand that we must have MORE progressives in Congress if we want more progressive/liberal policy outcomes. So, you don't need to preach to me. I was only asking if it is possible for these progressive candidates to beat the Republicans that they will face in November. I am thrilled that Democrats went out and defeated at least one (not Critz) Blue Dog.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
20. Have you ever heard of "figure of speech" or are you just trying to be a smart ass?
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 11:44 AM
Apr 2012

I am working very hard on the ground trying to get progressives in office. What are you doing? Trying to start fights on an online message board? Pathetic!

We're on the same side. There's no need for this attitude!

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
23. I'm not keeping you from your work am I?
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 12:48 PM
Apr 2012

Dang, I thought you were here yapping away on a message board.
I don't know what side you are on, but it's not mine.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
25. If you have nothing positive, intelligent or useful to write to me, then don't.
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 01:04 PM
Apr 2012

You are now on IGNORE. Have a nice day.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
26. How is it that progressives keep driving the Democrats to victory
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 02:00 PM
Apr 2012

only to see assholes like the Blue Dogs take it over and then ruin what we have gained? Progressives propelled Obama to victory in 2008. Blue Dogs led them to a disaster in 2010.

Fuck the Blue Dogs and fuck "conservative Dems." Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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