Except, y'know, when it does.

Bet these folks have apologized profusely for their grave and serious error of judgment?

pause for 'training'.

Thank you for posting, btw...

The National Post seems to be a conspiracy website.

Here's what the NP is, not a personal favorite but well within the mainstream of the MSM:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Post

A lot of the Ukrainian nationalism has been connected to fascism, at least historically. Nowadays the major promoter of fascism in Eastern Europe is Russia.

No, of course you don't. Maybe you need to study up on what fascism really is.

Do you even understand that Ukraine and Russia were the same country from the 1650's to the 1990's?

The Ukranians are not Russians, even though they have been under Russian and later Soviet control. Their connection to Russia was never voluntary, just like with every other people in the vicinity of Russia. Ask any Ukrainian if they are Russian, and they will give you a knuckle sandwich.

Thanks to Yeltsin they gained their independence, and thanks to Putin they are losing it.

And yes, Putin is a fascist, and Russia is on a very dangerous path. Just read the Russian news in English, and look at pro-Russian websites. It's all propaganda.

Where most of the SS guards in the Nazi camps were Ukrainian.. because of their hatred of Russia?

Ukraine has a problem with right wing nationalism, and if it wasn't for Russia acting like Germany in the thirties, that would have to be addressed.

Basically, first the free world will force Russia to give Crimea back, then we'll deal with Ukraine's internal problems.

The Crimea talk is over and has been and its not gonna happen and you want to USE FORCE to do this even the europeans don't care about that. ?

I'm not a proponent for armed intervention in any shape or form. Russia can be broken by sanctions.

and the Nationists, Democrats and Westernizers in Ukraine at least tolerate if not embrace these groups. Like putting them in the army when many should be in jail.

You denigrate Putin and glorify Yeltsin, but they were both equally opposed to N.A.T.O. expansion into Eastern Europe, which is the larger cause of all this stuff in Ukraine, and earlier in Georgia.

Also, it was the West's support for Yeltsin in his show down with the democratically-elected (and Communist dominated) Duma that rendered helped the Duma powerless and made Putin's quasi-dictatorship possible.

Also, please tell me where these pro-russian websites are. I'd like to check them out. This NP piece is rare for even admitting Fascism is a problem. As far as I can tell, the NY Times and most of the major U.S. outlets are simply rewriting the briefings they get from N.A.T.O. and the Kiev Government.

The thing is that the OP is trying to connect Ukraine to fascism, while it's Russia that's actually promoting fascism, and it's Russia that's the aggressor in Ukraine. You can't successfully argue against that, which you haven't.

I think we have moved full circle, and my arguments are exhausted. Fire away, I give you the last word.

Canadian trainer: Are you a Nazi Sympathizer?

Nazi Sympathizer: No, of course not.

Canadian trainer: OK! Let's begin training.