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Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:17 PM Apr 2015

In blow to water conservation, court rejects San Juan Capistrano's tiered rates

Source: Los Angeles Times

In a ruling with major implications for California's water conservation campaign, a state appeals court on Monday ruled that a tiered water rate structure used by the city of San Juan Capistrano to encourage conservation was unconstitutional.

The Orange County city used a rate structure that charged customers who used small amounts of water a lower rate than customers who used larger amounts. But the 4th District Court of Appeal struck down San Juan Capistrano's fee plan, saying it violated voter-approved Proposition 218, which prohibits government agencies from charging more for a service than it costs to provide it.

... The stakes are high because at least two-thirds of California water providers, including the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, use some form of the tiered rate system.

Gov. Jerry Brown immediately lashed out at the decision, saying it puts "a straitjacket on local government at a time when maximum flexibility is needed. My policy is and will continue to be: employ every method possible to ensure water is conserved across California.”

Read more: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-water-rates-case-20150405-story.html

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In blow to water conservation, court rejects San Juan Capistrano's tiered rates (Original Post) Newsjock Apr 2015 OP
so bottling companies, golf courses who use more water asiliveandbreathe Apr 2015 #1
Here is the actual opinion happyslug Apr 2015 #2
That is some Constitution that has some strange and awesome detail... thus straightjacketing good policy. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #5
That is the downside of Voter's initiatives (California type). happyslug Apr 2015 #6
I lived there years ago. forest444 Apr 2015 #3
LINK for those without LA Times subscription tomm2thumbs Apr 2015 #4
we have tiered rates for electricity oldandhappy Apr 2015 #7
This does need to be changed ripcord Apr 2015 #8
but of course ut oh Apr 2015 #9
Telecom... sendero Apr 2015 #10
how about... Javaman Apr 2015 #11
Prop 218 BallotPedia explanation link in text. vkkv Apr 2015 #12
Need mandatory conservation with stiff penalties, including cutting off water yellowcanine Apr 2015 #13
The extensive grounds of my estate would suffer greatly under your plan. candelista Apr 2015 #14
Tear out the water guzzlers and xeriscape your estate. yellowcanine Apr 2015 #15
I will not have my luxurious estate surrounded by a man-made desert. candelista Apr 2015 #16

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
1. so bottling companies, golf courses who use more water
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:26 PM
Apr 2015

will pay at the same rate as someone who uses 3-5000 gals a month...so where is the incentive for businesses to conserve?...

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
2. Here is the actual opinion
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:32 PM
Apr 2015
http://www.courts.ca.gov/opinions/documents/G048969.PDF

The Judges cite Article XII, Section 6 of the State Consitutiuon (passed in 1997 as Proposition 218):

SEC. 6. Property Related Fees and Charges.

(a)....

(b) Requirements for Existing, New or Increased Fees and Charges.

A fee or charge shall not be extended, imposed, or increased by any agency unless it meets all of the following requirements:

(1) Revenues derived from the fee or charge shall not exceed the funds required to provide the property related service.

(2) Revenues derived from the fee or charge shall not be used for any purpose other than that for which the fee or charge was imposed.

(3) The amount of a fee or charge imposed upon any parcel or person as an incident of property ownership shall not exceed the proportional cost of the service attributable to the parcel.

(4) No fee or charge may be imposed for a service unless that service is actually used by, or immediately available to, the owner of the property in question. Fees or charges based on potential or future use of a service are not permitted. Standby charges, whether characterized as charges or assessments, shall be classified as assessments and shall not be imposed without compliance with Section 4.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/.const/.article_13D


I hate to say this but (b)(3) is a clear statement that any FEE imposed for do to being an owner of a home (and that includes water service) must be uniform when it comes to usage, i.e. the same fee per gallon if you use one gallon or a million gallons of water. Thus the PROPORTIONAL costs of providing water service is the same only if the charge per gallon is the same.

What is needed is to change this law. California does have a way to do so and if the State Legislature acts they can ask the people to repeal this Constitutional provision.

Now, I do expect an appeal, more to keep the subject off the backs of the State Legislature then anything else. The problem on appeal is how do you "Proportional" charge for different levels of usage? The Court did suggest that the charge everyone for treating "recycled" water could be unfair to those low water users who do NOT use such water, while industrial users of water could use such water but then sent that issue back to the trial court to make a ruling on. On appeal, the California Supreme Court will be asked to rule that Proportional can be done by increments as done by San Juan Capistrano Water but the court of Appeal had a problem with such a ruling, how does it meet the requirement that ALL FEES BE BASED ON ACTUAL USAGE AND SUCH FEES ONLY COVERS ACTUAL COSTS OF THE SERVICE (B) (1) of the above law.

Sorry Section 6 is poorly designed for a drought heavy area when it comes to water service, but it is the law of California and must be followed till changed. The Law clearly needs changed, but I do NOT see the Courts doing it for changing laws is the job of the State Legislature NOT the Courts.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
5. That is some Constitution that has some strange and awesome detail... thus straightjacketing good policy.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 10:00 PM
Apr 2015

How do regulatory issues, aside from using such sweeping and obtuse language, become entrenched in a Constitution?? Seems completely silly.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
6. That is the downside of Voter's initiatives (California type).
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 10:17 PM
Apr 2015

This was added to the California Constitution by Voter Initiative NOT legislative action. When California adopts a new proposition, it can be added to its State Constitution instead of its Code of State Statutes. The difference is how many people you need on the Petition, 5% of all voters in the previous election for changing a Statute, 8% of all voters if you are changing the State Constitution. Anyone can propose a change and if enough voters sign the petition it is on the ballot in California (and if voted for by the voters it joins the State Constitution).

Most other states with Voter Initiatives do NOT permit changes to their State Constitution, but California does. Thus you get these section that should NOT be in a State Constitution but are in California State Constitution for the people voted it in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_ballot_proposition

forest444

(5,902 posts)
3. I lived there years ago.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:46 PM
Apr 2015

I can tell you almost without a doubt that the people putting right-wing loudmouths like Mr. Perry up to this probably live in the Hunt Club.

The Hunt Club (known by many locals as the 'C*nt Club', for obvious reasons) is an upscale, virtually segregated gated community northeast of downtown known for its very lush landscaping; of all of San Juan's subdivisions, none would be curtailed in their water use by these tiers than they.

While certainly not the only million-dollar subdivision in Orange County, the Hunt Club is also known for its right-wing vitriol. Keep in mind that these are mostly your nouveau-riche, Teahadist Republicans - as opposed to the more respectable "country club" Republicans one tends to find in Newport Beach, for instance. Exceptions, as always, abound.

This story, then, seems to do not only with political chicanery aimed at Governor Brown or the right's childish objections to public oversight; but also about an issue near and dear to our hearts at DU: inequality. And one of the most stark reminders of this phenomenon you may ever see in this country, is the drive from west Capistrano -with its parched, shrubby front-yards- and the Hunt Club just one mile east, with its acre-sized lots carpeted over in mature fruit trees and Bermuda grass (sprinklers on at all hours).




ripcord

(5,399 posts)
8. This does need to be changed
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 11:33 PM
Apr 2015

But I am honestly surprised that the city challenged this, the constitution is very clear and it just seems to be tax money wasted.

ut oh

(895 posts)
9. but of course
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:33 AM
Apr 2015

telecom companies can charge tiered rates based on data usage...

So as long as it maximizes profits, it's ok, but if it's for conservation and the environment, it's a no-no...

sendero

(28,552 posts)
10. Telecom...
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:40 AM
Apr 2015

... companies are not part of a government service.

It looks to me like the problem here is the law. The court had no choice the law is simple and clear. CA has a simple option, change the law perhaps through referendum.

But they probably won't and they will hence bear the consequences.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
11. how about...
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 08:47 AM
Apr 2015

raise the water rate and give a rebate break to all those making under x amount of money.

not the most graceful solution but it would still put the sting to those over using water.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
12. Prop 218 BallotPedia explanation link in text.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 11:53 AM
Apr 2015

Appeals court seems wrong, but is correct.

Most voters bought into the Big Gummint anti-tax lies.. many still do.
It's the fault of voters nad idiots who promote the "Big Gummint takin' away our freedoms and money" lies.

http://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_218,_Voter_Approval_Required_Before_Local_Tax_Increases_%281996%29

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
13. Need mandatory conservation with stiff penalties, including cutting off water
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 12:59 PM
Apr 2015

Just charging more is not going to work. Just means rich people will not conserve. But if the water shuts off after the monthly threshold is reached, you can be sure they would conserve.

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
14. The extensive grounds of my estate would suffer greatly under your plan.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 01:07 PM
Apr 2015

You should let me buy water-credits from the peasants who have postage stamp lawns. You know, like pollution credits. Let their little mini-lawns dry up. Be fair!

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
15. Tear out the water guzzlers and xeriscape your estate.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 01:21 PM
Apr 2015

Cactus, succulents, and deep rooted native perennials are the way to go.

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