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Omaha Steve

(99,660 posts)
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 08:26 PM Apr 2015

John McCain: drone strikes should be run by US military, not the CIA

Source: The Guardian

Drone strikes against suspected enemy combatants on foreign soil should be run by the US military and not the CIA, Senate armed services committee chairman John McCain said on Sunday.

McCain made his remarks on CNN, days after it was disclosed that a drone strike in Pakistan in January mistakenly killed two western hostages: an American and an Italian.

“I think it was probably preventable, in that there was an obvious breakdown in intelligence. They didn’t know that they were there,” McCain said of the January drone strike.

The Republican senator and failed 2008 presidential candidate predicted the incident would renew a debate within the Obama administration about how the drone programme is run.

FULL story at link.



Senate armed services committee chairman John McCain acknowledged ‘some bias’ on which federal agency should operate the drone programme. Photograph: Win McNamee/Getty Images

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/26/john-mccain-drone-strikes-military-not-cia

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John McCain: drone strikes should be run by US military, not the CIA (Original Post) Omaha Steve Apr 2015 OP
20/20 hindsight SCVDem Apr 2015 #1
Everything should be run by the military. Rolando Apr 2015 #2
Your knee-jerk thumbs-down is poorly considered. Maedhros Apr 2015 #9
This might be the first time McCain's been right on anything. EL34x4 Apr 2015 #29
Will this war hawk Thespian2 Apr 2015 #3
can't you just see mccain in the role of Slim Pickens in How I stopped Worrying and loved the bomb? still_one Apr 2015 #4
ATTN John McCain Botany Apr 2015 #5
So you think the CIA should run this.. former9thward Apr 2015 #12
We know where you are coming from.... Botany Apr 2015 #15
Actually, (and, perhaps, remarkably), I agree with him entirely RiverNoord Apr 2015 #6
I totally agree Zorro Apr 2015 #7
I thought the same when I read it. Bohunk68 Apr 2015 #8
I agree with him, to my surprise. SharonAnn Apr 2015 #11
me too n/t Enrique Apr 2015 #16
McCain is right. And we don't need secret CIA armies, either. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #10
Or secret Blackwater/Xi/Academi armies JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2015 #17
What's the difference? MFrohike Apr 2015 #13
For armed drones it should be a joint venture with the CIA just providing intel to the military IMO. cstanleytech Apr 2015 #14
What do you know about flying, "Crash McCain"? GOLGO 13 Apr 2015 #18
I wouldn't call being shot down "crashing" EX500rider Apr 2015 #23
That's bullshit. RiverNoord Apr 2015 #25
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. City Lights Apr 2015 #19
McCain is a special kind of broken clock Reter Apr 2015 #20
The CIA didn't know they were there, but the military did? Back to defense of your lawn! Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #21
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #22
Wow. John McCain finally said something I agree with. Xithras Apr 2015 #24
Generally speaking, if McCain says it, it is wrong. Chemisse Apr 2015 #26
I never thought I'd say this, but I agree with Magoo! Frustratedlady Apr 2015 #27
The CIA should be out of business Tom Ripley Apr 2015 #28
 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
9. Your knee-jerk thumbs-down is poorly considered.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 10:08 PM
Apr 2015

McCain is right in this.

Obama raised some eyebrows in 2011 when he appointed his chief warfighting general, David Petraeus, to the directorship of the CIA. This just happened to coincide with a purchase order of 10,000 new drones, many of which were to be assigned to the CIA.

When Bush did this, by appointing General Michael Hayden, Democrats were in an uproar:

http://www.salon.com/2011/04/28/petraeus_13/

The Hayden nomination triggered this comment from the current Democratic Chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Dianne Feinstein: “You can’t have the military control most of the major aspects of intelligence. The CIA is a civilian agency and is meant to be a civilian agency.” The then-top Democratic member of the House Intelligence Committee, Jane Harman, said “she hears concerns from civilian CIA professionals about whether the Defense Department is taking over intelligence operations” and “shares those concerns.” On Meet the Press, Nancy Pelosi cited tensions between the DoD and the CIA and said: “I don’t see how you have a four-star general heading up the CIA.” Then-Sen. Joe Biden worried that the CIA, with a General in charge, will “just be gobbled up by the Defense Department.” Even the current GOP Chair of the House Intelligence Committee, Pete Hoekstra, voiced the same concern about Hayden: “We should not have a military person leading a civilian agency at this time.”


Of course, it's okay if a Democrat does it:

Of course, like so many Democratic objections to Bush policies, that was then and this is now. Yesterday, President Obama announced — to very little controversy — that he was nominating Gen. David Petraeus to become the next CIA Director. The Petraeus nomination raises all the same concerns as the Hayden nomination did, but even more so: Hayden, after all, had spent his career in military intelligence and Washington bureaucratic circles and thus was a more natural fit for the agency; by contrast, Petraeus is a pure military officer and, most of all, a war fighting commander with little background in intelligence. But in the world of the Obama administration, Petraeus’ militarized, warrior orientation is considered an asset for running the CIA, not a liability.
. . .
The nomination of Petraeus doesn’t change much; it merely reflects how Washington is run. That George Bush’s favorite war-commanding General — who advocated for and oversaw the Surge in Iraq — is also Barack Obama’s favorite war-commanding General, and that Obama is now appointing him to run a nominally civilian agency that has been converted into an “increasingly militarized” arm of the American war-fighting state, says all one needs to know about the fully bipartisan militarization of American policy. There’s little functional difference between running America’s multiple wars as a General and running them as CIA Director because American institutions in the National Security State are all devoted to the same overarching cause: Endless War


Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
3. Will this war hawk
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 08:45 PM
Apr 2015

STFU...any time soon?

He seems to be pissed that he is not the one commanding the drones...because he should be president...don't cha know...

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
6. Actually, (and, perhaps, remarkably), I agree with him entirely
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 09:45 PM
Apr 2015

Remarkably, because it's John McCain... However, I believe that the entire concept of a worldwide network of killing machines being operated by a civilian agency is something of a nightmare. It allows the executive branch to kill with virtual impunity outside of the military chain of command.

Bohunk68

(1,364 posts)
8. I thought the same when I read it.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 10:01 PM
Apr 2015

The CIA has way too much power already and too many things are sub rosa.

MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
13. What's the difference?
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 02:33 AM
Apr 2015

The people on the business end don't much care who runs it and it's really of no practical difference to Americans who's administering an official assassination program. This seems like a silly comment to make, even for John McCain.

GOLGO 13

(1,681 posts)
18. What do you know about flying, "Crash McCain"?
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:57 AM
Apr 2015

This only reason this giggling piss-lord is considered a "war-hero" is because he crashed his plane while over Vietnam and then took a 3yr beating by the VC. Incompetent fuck-wit hasn't been able to fly straight ever since.

Guess what, "Crash"? The military didn't know they were there either you giggling tool!

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
23. I wouldn't call being shot down "crashing"
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 11:53 AM
Apr 2015
John McCain's capture and subsequent imprisonment began on October 26, 1967. He was flying his 23rd bombing mission over North Vietnam when his A-4E Skyhawk was shot down by a missile over Hanoi. McCain fractured both arms and a leg ejecting from the aircraft, and nearly drowned when he parachuted into Trúc Bạch Lake. Some North Vietnamese pulled him ashore, then others crushed his shoulder with a rifle butt and bayoneted him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#Naval_training.2C_first_marriage.2C_and_Vietnam_assignment
 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
25. That's bullshit.
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:46 PM
Apr 2015

I don't care how crappy of a nut-job right-wing hawk he is - or how exactly his plane went down. None of that matters when considering the fact that the man endured several years of extremely harsh life as an American POW.

I agree with him regarding nearly nothing (except, oddly enough, his assertion in the article), but I won't sit by and let someone diss like this about someone who really did sacrifice immensely for his country.

You would have fit in well with the 'Swift-Boaters.'

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
20. McCain is a special kind of broken clock
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:51 AM
Apr 2015

Sometimes he's right four times a day. Unfortunately, when he's wrong he's super-wrong.

Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
24. Wow. John McCain finally said something I agree with.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 12:55 PM
Apr 2015

Drones are military forces and should be under the control of our military, and not a government spy organization. While the military isn't exactly the most transparent organization in the world, having a shadowy and top secret organization like the CIA run a global killing machine has always been incredibly disturbing. Plus, as ignored as it can be at times, the military DOES have the UCMJ and a set of standards that it runs by. The CIA has no equivalent and just does whatever the fuck it wants.

Let the CIA provide the intelligence, and the military do any striking that needs to be done. Both the left and the right should agree that shadowy secret armies run by bureaucrats are un-American.

Chemisse

(30,813 posts)
26. Generally speaking, if McCain says it, it is wrong.
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:49 PM
Apr 2015

But I don't know enough about this issue. He could very well be right on this.

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