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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue May 5, 2015, 12:55 PM May 2015

Sanders Could Be Blocked from New Hampshire Ballot

Source: PoliticalWire/WMUR



Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) “long has been close to the Democratic Party. He has won the endorsements of top national Democrats in some of his elections. Even as an Independent he caucuses with the Democrats in the Senate. Earlier this year he was named by Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid as the ranking member on the Senate Budget Committee,” WMUR reports.

“But when it comes to filing to appear on the New Hampshire primary ballot, none of that may matter. Here, it’s the state law that counts and the state law requires party registration.”

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Sanders Could Be Blocked from New Hampshire Ballot (Original Post) DonViejo May 2015 OP
Was Dean on the New Hampshire ballot when he ran? Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #1
That's the/a problem ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #2
If the Republican controlled legislature refuses to change the law DonViejo May 2015 #13
I don't know why they have to change the law. He is officially running as a Democratic Party jwirr May 2015 #17
He's not a registered Democrat, yet. Presumably he is going to register as one.... DonViejo May 2015 #20
Let's see. You have to register to vote in your home state. He lives in Vermont. They do not have jwirr May 2015 #27
When he files his petitions to get his name on the ballot (any state ballot) or, DonViejo May 2015 #31
There is a difference between registering as a Democratic Party voter - which is a matter of which jwirr May 2015 #34
Exactly; easy, like I said. Governor Dean got around it, I don't see why Sen. Sanders cannot DonViejo May 2015 #35
And where is he going to do that? earthside May 2015 #28
When he signs State documents declaring his intention to have his name on the Democratic Party's DonViejo May 2015 #33
I wouldn't be surprised if he gets block him from debates, as well. C Moon May 2015 #3
I doubt that the DNC is going to keep one of their own top candidates out of the debate. If he jwirr May 2015 #19
An attempt at shit stirring, and some free publicity for Sanders. hughee99 May 2015 #4
should consider amending heaven05 May 2015 #5
Republicans control the legislature, it could be very difficult. DonViejo May 2015 #22
You really think jamzrockz May 2015 #29
Yes, I do think Republicans would be opposed... DonViejo May 2015 #32
hmmmmmmm heaven05 May 2015 #44
This is really easy for him to get around Bjorn Against May 2015 #6
The DNC has already declared him as one of their candidates. jwirr May 2015 #21
Yep. joshcryer May 2015 #50
Well, this could be interesting... Lefta Dissenter May 2015 #7
Was Howard Dean blocked? Autumn May 2015 #8
There is no attempt to block anyone. former9thward May 2015 #45
I would think that if NH can't handle being the first primary state glowing May 2015 #9
The WMUR link was from April 30, and then politicalWireBlog just re-blogged it today for some reason Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #10
So?... DonViejo May 2015 #11
Can we re-post week old stories on our blogs and then post them here as Breaking News? Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #12
Edited: If they (the news articles) are just being broken nationally, yes. DonViejo May 2015 #14
OK but this was on CNN on April 30 Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #15
Will it give you a thrill if I delete this and repost it in GD or... DonViejo May 2015 #18
LOL no thrill Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #23
No problem... DonViejo May 2015 #25
"Register"? John Poet May 2015 #16
Silly. Sure, he "could be blocked" if he doesn't follow the rules. thesquanderer May 2015 #24
I'm still undecided but I like Sanders in the Race LynneSin May 2015 #26
We will only watch the gop debates for comedy relief. jwirr May 2015 #30
If things go like this in NY, he might not get on the ballot there either. Renew Deal May 2015 #37
He will need something in Kentucky as well but I am not sure what that is. leftofcool May 2015 #38
If there is no party registration in VT, then I don't see why this should be a problem. Renew Deal May 2015 #40
Dean had more manageable hair. arcane1 May 2015 #41
It shouldn't be. leftofcool May 2015 #51
So why did they allow Howard Dean? I don't get it? n/t betterdemsonly May 2015 #39
In New Hampshire, the laws requries party registration. Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #42
New Hampshire Law requires party affiliation in a primary. Link to New Hampshire Election Law site Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #43
There is no party registration in IL. former9thward May 2015 #46
There is party affiliation. Dean was a Democrat. Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #47
What presidential primary ballot did Sanders take in 2012, 2008, 2004, 2000, etc. former9thward May 2015 #48
From this article published by the Concord Monior, Sanders will meet all requirements of all states. Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #49
Sanders will and should be on the New Hampshire ballot Gothmog May 2015 #52

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. Was Dean on the New Hampshire ballot when he ran?
Tue May 5, 2015, 12:57 PM
May 2015

Vermont state law is that there is no party registration. So does New Hampshire automatically exclude all potential candidates who live and are registered to vote in Vermont?

ETA: from Wikipedia

However, despite signs showing a Dean surge, Howard Dean lost to John Kerry in the New Hampshire primary 38%-26% which set the tone for future defeats at the hands of Kerry and others.


So Howard Dean, also from Vermont (where you can't register in a party) was indeed allowed on the New Hampshire ballot.
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
36. That's the/a problem ...
Tue May 5, 2015, 02:24 PM
May 2015

individual states control the election rules within their borders. Comparing what New Hampshire allows and what Vermont allows, is apples and oranges.

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
13. If the Republican controlled legislature refuses to change the law
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:16 PM
May 2015

for Bernie, how would that bring about "the end of the Democratic Party?"

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
17. I don't know why they have to change the law. He is officially running as a Democratic Party
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:25 PM
May 2015

candidate. NH has no right to change that. They will be taken to court if they try.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
20. He's not a registered Democrat, yet. Presumably he is going to register as one....
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:29 PM
May 2015

When and if he does that, the problem is resolved, no?

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
27. Let's see. You have to register to vote in your home state. He lives in Vermont. They do not have
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:44 PM
May 2015

party registration in Vermont. Where would NH suggest he go to register?

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
31. When he files his petitions to get his name on the ballot (any state ballot) or,
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:50 PM
May 2015

declares his intention to run in the NH Presidential primary, he'll be asked, "what Party?" He puts Democrat on the form and he's in the Democratic primary. Easy.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
34. There is a difference between registering as a Democratic Party voter - which is a matter of which
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:57 PM
May 2015

state you live in and getting on a ballot to run for president. What loops does one have to jump through to get on NH ballot? If Dean who also lived in Vermont did it then I am sure Bernie can qualify. I don't think this issue is going to be a problem. Especially since the DNC has accepted him as one of the Democratic candidates.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
35. Exactly; easy, like I said. Governor Dean got around it, I don't see why Sen. Sanders cannot
Tue May 5, 2015, 02:01 PM
May 2015

do the same.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
28. And where is he going to do that?
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:48 PM
May 2015

Sanders is a resident of Vermont.

He can't go to another state and register as a resident voter.

We don't have national voter registration in the United States.

I'm sure there are forms to be filled out even in New Hampshire to run in the Democratic Party presidential primary -- Sanders will fill them for the Democratic contest.

If there is a technical legal problem with New Hampshire, undoubtedly a lawsuit will quickly resolve the problem. Sanders is running as a Democrat -- plain and simple.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
33. When he signs State documents declaring his intention to have his name on the Democratic Party's
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:57 PM
May 2015

Presidential ballot, that's when he does it. It's not about registering to vote, it's about registering to run in a Party's Presidential primary.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
19. I doubt that the DNC is going to keep one of their own top candidates out of the debate. If he
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:28 PM
May 2015

wins the nomination the Rs would look like idiots to say he could not take part.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
4. An attempt at shit stirring, and some free publicity for Sanders.
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:04 PM
May 2015

He'll be on the ballot and everyone knows it.

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
29. You really think
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:48 PM
May 2015

republicans would be opposed to giving Hilary a challenge? As far as republicans are concerned, the more divided the democrats, the better for them.

If it was up to them, they would let Bernie and 10 other independents into the democrat primary ballot.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
32. Yes, I do think Republicans would be opposed...
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:52 PM
May 2015

"the law! the law, we must uphold the law." I think they would see greater opportunity for division in the Party if they refused to change the law, thereby denying him a slot on the Democratic ballot.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
6. This is really easy for him to get around
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:06 PM
May 2015

All he has to do is sign a piece of paper declaring he is running as a Democrat and he has already said will do that.

Lefta Dissenter

(6,622 posts)
7. Well, this could be interesting...
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:06 PM
May 2015

We don't have party registration here in Wisconsin, either, so that might create a challenge for that Governor (or "GovernEr," as he spells it) who shall not be named, over on the Republican side of things.

former9thward

(32,012 posts)
45. There is no attempt to block anyone.
Tue May 5, 2015, 06:42 PM
May 2015

It is just political writers with too much time on their hands. Dean was not blocked and there was no conversation about it. Obama comes from IL with no party registration and he was not blocked and there was no attempt to do so.

BTW in Vermont your party status IS tracked. Every 4 years in the presidential primary you are asked in Vermont whether you would like a Democratic ballot or Republican ballot. That choice is marked down and public record.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
9. I would think that if NH can't handle being the first primary state
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:07 PM
May 2015

to handle primary races, perhaps they shouldn't be the first state to hold primaries. And any other Dem candidate wouldn't want to hide behind some sort of election rules to avoid running against another candidate without looking afraid of the results... IMO

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
12. Can we re-post week old stories on our blogs and then post them here as Breaking News?
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:15 PM
May 2015

I don't have a problem with that but was just saying it's not breaking news.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
14. Edited: If they (the news articles) are just being broken nationally, yes.
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:17 PM
May 2015

On edit:

And as long as your blog is a reputable mainstream news website and/or blog.

Post the latest news from reputable mainstream news websites and blogs. Important news of national interest only. No analysis or opinion pieces. No duplicates. News stories must have been published within the last 12 hours. Use the published title of the story as the title of the discussion thread.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
18. Will it give you a thrill if I delete this and repost it in GD or...
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:26 PM
May 2015

would you prefer to file an alert about this OP? Before answering, please consider:

The news wasn't posted in LBN prior to this OP, and further, it was broken today by Political Wire, making it LBN

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
16. "Register"?
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:25 PM
May 2015

Many of you seem to be confusing voter registration with whatever they require to be listed on a state's primary ballot.

Bernie can't register to vote anywhere but Vermont, and I don't think his party registration in Vermont is going to be relevant.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
26. I'm still undecided but I like Sanders in the Race
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:39 PM
May 2015

I think it will make for some amazing debates from Hillary Clinton and ultimately give us the absolutely best candidate for the general election. Should it be Hillary, she will be a better Candidate for having Sanders in the primary and if it's Sanders we can't go wrong with him as a President.

Total win all around.

The Democratic Debates will be so much better as oppose to the GOP which will be whom can wrap the US flag the tighest around them while sucking up to Israel saving the fetuses carrying the most guns and denying science. The debates will not cover any real issues like helping the working class of this country or income equality.

Renew Deal

(81,859 posts)
37. If things go like this in NY, he might not get on the ballot there either.
Tue May 5, 2015, 02:34 PM
May 2015

He will need thousands of Democratic notaries to get signatures.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
38. He will need something in Kentucky as well but I am not sure what that is.
Tue May 5, 2015, 02:59 PM
May 2015

I am hoping it will be just a form that he fills out.

Renew Deal

(81,859 posts)
40. If there is no party registration in VT, then I don't see why this should be a problem.
Tue May 5, 2015, 03:26 PM
May 2015

I don't remember these types of problems with Howard Dean.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
51. It shouldn't be.
Wed May 6, 2015, 06:34 AM
May 2015

As I understand it, it is a simple form Sanders has to fill out. That is the law here as we have closed primaries and Kentucky recognizes only two parties in national elections and one must be registered with one or the other party to be on the primary ballot.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
42. In New Hampshire, the laws requries party registration.
Tue May 5, 2015, 03:47 PM
May 2015
655:14 Filing: General Provisions.
The name of any person shall not be printed upon the ballot of nay party for a primary unless he or she is a registered member of that party, her or she shall have met the age and domicile qualifications for the office he or she seeks at the time of the general election, he or she meets all the other qualifications at the time of the filing, and he or she shall file with the appropriate official between the first Wednesday in June and the Friday of the following week a declaration of candidacy as provided in RSA 644:17.


Howard Dean served as a Democrat when he was Governor of Vermont.

Member of the Vermont State House are all listed as either a Democrat, a Republican, or a member of the Progressive party.

By the way, Patrick Leahy is listed on the Senate Rolls as a (VT-D), that being a Democrat form Vermont.

There is a Democratic Party of Vermont

And about the whole thing about Party in Vermont. This is form the Vermont Secretary of State:
No. There is no party registration in Vermont.

All registered voters can vote in the primary election—but can only vote on one ballot. You will be given a ballot for each of the major parties. You mark one of the ballots and put the remaining unvoted ballots into a discard bin. Which ballot you chose to vote is private and not recorded (except during the presidential primary, where voters must publicly take one ballot or the other, and their choice is recorded on the entrance checklist).


You do not register as a member of a party, but you can only vote in primaries for one party and in Presidential election primaries, your choice of Party is recorded.

Bernie has chosen to remain unaffiliated with a party. That doesn't mean that other elected politicians form Vermont make that choice. They can choose to belong to a party, and they serve as members of a party.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
43. New Hampshire Law requires party affiliation in a primary. Link to New Hampshire Election Law site
Tue May 5, 2015, 03:52 PM
May 2015
See 655 Nominations

655:14 Filing: General Provisions.
The name of any person shall not be printed upon the ballot of nay party for a primary unless he or she is a registered member of that party, her or she shall have met the age and domicile qualifications for the office he or she seeks at the time of the general election, he or she meets all the other qualifications at the time of the filing, and he or she shall file with the appropriate official between the first Wednesday in June and the Friday of the following week a declaration of candidacy as provided in RSA 644:17.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
47. There is party affiliation. Dean was a Democrat.
Tue May 5, 2015, 08:15 PM
May 2015

Senator Leahy is a Democrat. Check out the state legislature, controlled by Democrats. There is a Democratic party of Vermont. Google it.

Republicans and Progressives also serve as members of their respective parties.

In Presidential primaries, Vermont citizens must choose a party and that choice is recorded. In non Presidential primaries, voters are allowed to vote for one of the three parties, but it is not recorded.

There are parties in Vermont, and elected members belong to those parties. You can find this information on the registrar of voters website.

Sanders ran as an independent, and this may hurt him in a number of states. Each states decide on their own rules.

former9thward

(32,012 posts)
48. What presidential primary ballot did Sanders take in 2012, 2008, 2004, 2000, etc.
Tue May 5, 2015, 08:42 PM
May 2015

That choice, if any, is recorded.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
49. From this article published by the Concord Monior, Sanders will meet all requirements of all states.
Wed May 6, 2015, 12:33 AM
May 2015
Will Sanders have to register as a Democrat to run in N.H.? Probably
“I made the decision that the best way to be effective as a campaign, the best way to win is to do it through the Democratic primary process,” Sanders said, before leaving a house party that attracted close to 100 supporters in Manchester. “We will meet all of the requirements of all of the states, including New Hampshire. We will fulfill all of the requirements.”

Gothmog

(145,274 posts)
52. Sanders will and should be on the New Hampshire ballot
Wed May 6, 2015, 08:09 AM
May 2015

The premise for keeping Sanders off is dumb and that same premise would have kept Bush 41, Busch 43 and Carnival Cruz off the GOP ballot because in Texas you do not register to vote by party. Bernie Sanders should and will be on the ballot in New Hampshire because it is the right thing to do

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