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Archae

(46,340 posts)
Wed May 6, 2015, 04:08 PM May 2015

Wisconsin Senate approves 70 mph speed limit

Source: WBAY-TV, ABC affiliate in Green Bay, WI

MADISON, Wis. (AP) – The state Senate has approved a bill that would allow Wisconsin transportation officials to raise the speed limit on some roads to 70 mph.

The bill would permit the Department of Transportation officials to raise the limit to 70 mph on roads they deem fit. The proposal would prohibit DOT from going to 70 on four-lane roads with at-grade access, however.

The Senate passed the measure on a voice vote on Wednesday. It goes next to the state Assembly. That chamber passed the bill in March before legislators added the at-grade prohibition. Both houses must pass an identical bill before it can go to Gov. Scott Walker for his signature.

Read more: http://wbay.com/2015/05/06/wisconsin-senate-ready-to-vote-on-70-mph-speed-limit/



Just great.

Ever ride with someone who goes into convulsions if they drive BELOW 70, and tailgates?
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Wisconsin Senate approves 70 mph speed limit (Original Post) Archae May 2015 OP
Great. Now everyone will be driving 80 to 90. n/t pnwmom May 2015 #1
They do that in my area already (Augusta GA) in 55 mile an hour posted zones cstanleytech May 2015 #9
Studies have shown that really doesn't happen FLPanhandle May 2015 #10
When they raised the speed limits here, the average speeds increased enough so that they were pnwmom May 2015 #15
Total accidents decrease, but fatal accidents increase. FLPanhandle May 2015 #27
I think the 55 limit was a reasonable compromise that saved lives. pnwmom May 2015 #30
You could argue the opposite direction just as easily. FLPanhandle May 2015 #32
There is no reason to have a 55 mph speed limit outside of cities Travis_0004 May 2015 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author ailsagirl May 2015 #2
Reminds me of an episode of the Simpsons. iandhr May 2015 #3
In all honesty, anyone who travels across country or even through more than one state knows that it is world wide wally May 2015 #4
I have never thought it was "torture" to drive at 55. That is a personal, not a universal, preference. pnwmom May 2015 #16
Drive from Sacramento to Los Angeles a few times and get back to me. Throd May 2015 #18
No thanks. There are too many insane drivers going 70 or 75 with one car length between them. pnwmom May 2015 #20
I drive from Colorado to Massachusetts and back every summer. It is almost 4 full days world wide wally May 2015 #22
I've driven the cross country trip. We took seven days, and took the time to see the sights. pnwmom May 2015 #23
We have done this every year for the past 20 years and we stay in Mass for about 6 world wide wally May 2015 #24
You think 9% more fatalities is worth the loss of life, so you can have four more days every year pnwmom May 2015 #25
Then, answer my question. world wide wally May 2015 #26
So lets set the speed limit at 30mph, then nobody will die? Travis_0004 May 2015 #29
They picked the 55 because when plotted on a graph, pnwmom May 2015 #31
But shouldn't we rasise it as safety improves. Travis_0004 May 2015 #33
It was a 2009 study that found there was an increase in fatalities. Not 1973. pnwmom May 2015 #34
70 mph really isn't a problem if the road is good jmowreader May 2015 #5
+1. Sgt Preston May 2015 #11
I think it's 80 mph now on some Western interstates. Comrade Grumpy May 2015 #6
Yes, but if you are on the toll road during the afternoon TexasTowelie May 2015 #8
Minnesota has some 70 mph freeways. truthisfreedom May 2015 #7
Are there any roads in Wisconsin that are safe at 70 MPH? Thor_MN May 2015 #12
That's what I was thinking too. Archae May 2015 #13
wis roads suck dembotoz May 2015 #14
In the ten years after the Federal limit of 55 was repealed, rural highway deaths increased by 9.1%. pnwmom May 2015 #17
They want drivers to get through Wisconsin quicker so they can't see the damage Walker has done. tclambert May 2015 #19
All the way to 70....and I bet they also pump their own petrol. ileus May 2015 #21

cstanleytech

(26,305 posts)
9. They do that in my area already (Augusta GA) in 55 mile an hour posted zones
Wed May 6, 2015, 05:42 PM
May 2015

especially on the interstate.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
10. Studies have shown that really doesn't happen
Wed May 6, 2015, 05:43 PM
May 2015

Speed limits too low for conditions mean some people obey, some people travel at a realistic speed, and there can be a large difference in relative speeds.

When the speed limit is raised to actually reflect realistic travel speeds for a road, the new higher limit decreases the speed differences of the cars. When the majority of traffic is traveling at the same speed, traffic flow improves, and there are actually fewer accidents.

pnwmom

(108,987 posts)
15. When they raised the speed limits here, the average speeds increased enough so that they were
Wed May 6, 2015, 07:15 PM
May 2015

still about 10 miles over the new speed limit -- no matter what those studies predicted.

And in the ten years after the national 55 limit was repealed in 1995, there was an increase in traffic deaths.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2724439/

Long-Term Effects of Repealing the National Maximum Speed Limit in the United States

Results. We found a 3.2% increase in road fatalities attributable to the raised speed limits on all road types in the United States. The highest increases were on rural interstates (9.1%) and urban interstates (4.0%). We estimated that 12 545 deaths (95% confidence interval [CI] = 8739, 16 352) and 36 583 injuries in fatal crashes (95% CI = 29 322, 43 844) were attributable to increases in speed limits across the United States.

Conclusions. Reduced speed limits and improved enforcement with speed camera networks could immediately reduce speeds and save lives, in addition to reducing gas consumption, cutting emissions of air pollutants, saving valuable years of productivity, and reducing the cost of motor vehicle crashes.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
27. Total accidents decrease, but fatal accidents increase.
Wed May 6, 2015, 11:30 PM
May 2015

If we really cared about fatalities, then we could drop the speed limit to 25mph and strictly enforce it.

pnwmom

(108,987 posts)
30. I think the 55 limit was a reasonable compromise that saved lives.
Wed May 6, 2015, 11:37 PM
May 2015

You think it's worth the extra loss of life to go a little faster, and that it's all or nothing. Either we should eliminate all fatalities or accept any number.



So you're okay with 9% extra fatalities on rural highways. How much higher would you go? 20%? 100%?

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
32. You could argue the opposite direction just as easily.
Wed May 6, 2015, 11:41 PM
May 2015

We could drop the speed limit to 40 and save another 20%, or drop it to 25mph and save 80%.

You are also accepting a certain death toll for even a 55mph speed limit.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
28. There is no reason to have a 55 mph speed limit outside of cities
Wed May 6, 2015, 11:31 PM
May 2015

Also, today's cars are safer than they were in 95, and highways are safer to.

Response to Archae (Original post)

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
3. Reminds me of an episode of the Simpsons.
Wed May 6, 2015, 04:32 PM
May 2015

It's a flashback to when Homer first meets Marge in high school. He tries to impress her by going the debate team.

When the debate teacher said the topic was resolved "the national speed limit should be 55 miles per hour"

Homer responds "55 that's ridiculous. Sure it might save a few LVIES. But millions will be late"

world wide wally

(21,749 posts)
4. In all honesty, anyone who travels across country or even through more than one state knows that it is
Wed May 6, 2015, 04:39 PM
May 2015

just torture to drive only 55 MPH. I am very thankful that speed limits out here in Colorado, and most of the west, is 75 mph.
It is not traveling at these speeds that wastes gas either, it is sitting at stoplights in cities going 0 MPH that wastes the gas.
I am not sure about how many lives would be saved by driving 55, but I kind of agree with Bart. He should have said that it would increase the suicide rate if it took you 5 or 6 days to drive from Colorado to New York instead of the 3 1/2 it takes now.

pnwmom

(108,987 posts)
16. I have never thought it was "torture" to drive at 55. That is a personal, not a universal, preference.
Wed May 6, 2015, 07:16 PM
May 2015

pnwmom

(108,987 posts)
20. No thanks. There are too many insane drivers going 70 or 75 with one car length between them.
Wed May 6, 2015, 08:52 PM
May 2015

I'd rather take my chances with terrorists in the skies.


This is according to a study conducted in 2009.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2724439/

Long-Term Effects of Repealing the National Maximum Speed Limit in the United States

Results. We found a 3.2% increase in road fatalities attributable to the raised speed limits on all road types in the United States. The highest increases were on rural interstates (9.1%) and urban interstates (4.0%). We estimated that 12 545 deaths (95% confidence interval = 8739, 16 352) and 36 583 injuries in fatal crashes (95% CI = 29 322, 43 844) were attributable to increases in speed limits across the United States.

Conclusions. Reduced speed limits and improved enforcement with speed camera networks could immediately reduce speeds and save lives, in addition to reducing gas consumption, cutting emissions of air pollutants, saving valuable years of productivity, and reducing the cost of motor vehicle crashes.

world wide wally

(21,749 posts)
22. I drive from Colorado to Massachusetts and back every summer. It is almost 4 full days
Wed May 6, 2015, 10:37 PM
May 2015

each way. It is a Godsend to be able to drive 70-75 mph in the western states. You have every right to drive 55 if that makes you feel safer. I only ask that you stay in the right lane, please.

pnwmom

(108,987 posts)
23. I've driven the cross country trip. We took seven days, and took the time to see the sights.
Wed May 6, 2015, 10:43 PM
May 2015

If people want to go faster there's always a plane.

Those rural areas in the western states have seen a 9% increase in highway fatalities since the speed limit was raised. You think they are a godsend, but I don't. Human beings decided that the benefits of raising the speed limit were worth the loss of life.

world wide wally

(21,749 posts)
24. We have done this every year for the past 20 years and we stay in Mass for about 6
Wed May 6, 2015, 10:52 PM
May 2015

weeks. We just can't afford 4 plane tickets plus a rental car while we're there. We have seen the sights and taken numerous side trips. And yes, being in the car for days on end can get to be torture. So, I am one aho is thankful for more realistic speed limits. I would imagine that we could completely eliminate traffic fatalities if we reduced the speed limits to 20 mph or so.

pnwmom

(108,987 posts)
25. You think 9% more fatalities is worth the loss of life, so you can have four more days every year
Wed May 6, 2015, 11:26 PM
May 2015

in Massachusetts.

I think 55 was a good compromise speed. Guess we'll just have to disagree.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
29. So lets set the speed limit at 30mph, then nobody will die?
Wed May 6, 2015, 11:34 PM
May 2015

Why 55? Why not 50? Why not 45?

Every time you raise it there will be deaths. Would you support a 45mph speed limit if it saved more lives over a 55mph speed limit.

pnwmom

(108,987 posts)
31. They picked the 55 because when plotted on a graph,
Wed May 6, 2015, 11:40 PM
May 2015

that's when there started to be a statistically significant increase in loss of life along with an improvement in gas mileage. They didn't find this at much lower speeds.

If there was a significant difference in loss of life at 45, yes, I'd support that limit. But studies have not found that to be true.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
33. But shouldn't we rasise it as safety improves.
Wed May 6, 2015, 11:44 PM
May 2015

You can't compare todays vehicles to on built in 73. Same with fuel economy. I can cruise at 70mph and still get 30mpg.

pnwmom

(108,987 posts)
34. It was a 2009 study that found there was an increase in fatalities. Not 1973.
Wed May 6, 2015, 11:47 PM
May 2015

You are right about improvements in mileage and vehicle safety, but more people continue to die as a result of the raised speed limits.

jmowreader

(50,561 posts)
5. 70 mph really isn't a problem if the road is good
Wed May 6, 2015, 04:58 PM
May 2015

There are several 70 mph sections on the Idaho section of I-90 and the accident rate is low even though the road is heavily used.

TexasTowelie

(112,321 posts)
8. Yes, but if you are on the toll road during the afternoon
Wed May 6, 2015, 05:36 PM
May 2015

the average speed is only about 75 mph (it's only two lanes in each direction).

truthisfreedom

(23,151 posts)
7. Minnesota has some 70 mph freeways.
Wed May 6, 2015, 05:30 PM
May 2015

I drive 3 hours each way to my log home every week. I appreciate 70 mph.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
12. Are there any roads in Wisconsin that are safe at 70 MPH?
Wed May 6, 2015, 05:57 PM
May 2015

Last time I drove in WI, one could break an axle at 70 MPH. And with Squatty cutting budgets....

I'm sure the Kochs appreciate the added fuel consumption...

Archae

(46,340 posts)
13. That's what I was thinking too.
Wed May 6, 2015, 06:04 PM
May 2015

Notice how many people slow down on foggy roads?
None? You're right.

Then we see more and more of the big pileups.

dembotoz

(16,811 posts)
14. wis roads suck
Wed May 6, 2015, 06:39 PM
May 2015

Just out study
Way below average
Last year I drove from Milw area to knoxville
Was stunned how much better roads are elsewhere

pnwmom

(108,987 posts)
17. In the ten years after the Federal limit of 55 was repealed, rural highway deaths increased by 9.1%.
Wed May 6, 2015, 07:24 PM
May 2015

This is according to a study conducted in 2009.

And overall road fatalities increased by 3.2%.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2724439/

Long-Term Effects of Repealing the National Maximum Speed Limit in the United States

Results. We found a 3.2% increase in road fatalities attributable to the raised speed limits on all road types in the United States. The highest increases were on rural interstates (9.1%) and urban interstates (4.0%). We estimated that 12 545 deaths (95% confidence interval = 8739, 16 352) and 36 583 injuries in fatal crashes (95% CI = 29 322, 43 844) were attributable to increases in speed limits across the United States.

Conclusions. Reduced speed limits and improved enforcement with speed camera networks could immediately reduce speeds and save lives, in addition to reducing gas consumption, cutting emissions of air pollutants, saving valuable years of productivity, and reducing the cost of motor vehicle crashes.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
19. They want drivers to get through Wisconsin quicker so they can't see the damage Walker has done.
Wed May 6, 2015, 08:24 PM
May 2015

In Kansas, the law says out of state drivers must close their eyes as they cross the state so they don't get too overwhelmed by the sadness of Brownbackistan.

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