That one always smelled of self vindication on the part of Dick.

was crafted in part to protect the Pakistani source who leaked this info to the CIA. The Pakistani government knew where Osama was and kept it from the US. The US conducted the secret raid OUT OF NECESSITY, because they feared the Pakistani's would warn Osama. The SECRET raid remains true. Also means that Hersh now endangers the life of the "walk in" by exposing HIM in this story.

version of events, and they never lie, right?

I can more into details but Al-Qaeda had rules and set way they did things, the black flag terror group he was set to be demoted for his senseless over-the-top-brutality he went wild with the civilian attacks -- it wasn't so much anything goes but the analysts with their follow one person plan everywhere he goes learned & excited over the opportunity of a Senior Al-Qaeda to enter the country and after the mention he was intercepted in Kurdistan (rendition) she was quickly order stop) next and I forgot the details is they have this guy who is exactly the type of guy who shouldn't be working for the CIA was praising the benefits of a black side because he was basically like don't say anything or something like that which led to the infamous courier. They didn't say anything themselves about the use of torture but it was more luck with black flag terror guy like founders of ISIS indirectly led to Bin Laden's capture but the whole thing was so outside the rule of law

I could say more but its good night for me from the Manhunt documentary which is full of propaganda but there is still some very useful info, very detailed and full scope on some things but not quite at all. Most of the propaganda was on they were Women and certainly I have no issues with roles of sexism or what the women accomplished but the thing was so tied with music and this or that. One they spoke off was constant pressures from the Bush administration "did you find Bin Laden?" I imagine any President would want the propaganda victory of capturing him but he kept coming back with new and improved IETs (torture) which one guy justified as waterboarding for "just a few days" and knowing the public would eventually find out admitted (but not quite that way they were coming up ideas to say we were forced to torture them.

If you are told a fabrication, it raises doubts about everything else. Even Bush knew this. If you fooled me once shame on you, if you fooled me twice, shame on me.

It never made sense that he could hide so long without help because he was an easily recognizable figure. Plus he hid out right next to Pakistani military college in large walled in compound. Not some cave like the very top in our Gov pretended. He also survived very long with kidney failure.

Why the urgency to dump his body in the the sea, which isn't near Afghanistan?

Al Qaeda trying to get his body back.

I read it on DU, so it must be true.

:::headdesk:::

since his 'scoop' had been reported before...

And just because the basic story premise is right, it doesn't mean Hersh hasn't embellished it with a lot of fictitious bullshit, which has been his MO

I admire that, in truth. My lodestar in activism are the people who show up outside the Planned Parenthood on Commonwealth Avenue in Boston every day, day after day, to chant "Praise God" at women going in for simple affordable gynecological care. They disgust me, but they bring a level of dedication absent from far too much of the Left.

I mean to make no comparison whatsoever between your politics and theirs...only to say that ruthless relentlessness in the face of whatever may confront or confound your beliefs is a proven boon in American politics. You have it down to a science.

In short: no one kicks the Tires. I hope it works out for you. It hasn't been working out for a lot of us.

by defending Hersh using a rhetorical device meant to demean those who question him. You're a sycophant implying that Hersh is above criticism, rather than an objective reader who can cast ideology aside in order to determine the legitimacy of his work.

I kicked Blue Tires in the tread.

Did fully you read his Syria stories when they were printed? Because you would know that not one of his outlandish claims from dubious sources was shown to be accurate...

And maybe Amy Goodman should have kept him off the air! Oh boy, am I gonna get hit over this!!!

He may not care for Obama don't, know but I do know he's NOT the only person reporting. Betcha if you check out Cenk Uger he might have something to add also.

Will be waiting to see what Thom Hartmann has to say today myself. I'm pretty sure he DOESN'T hate Obama even if he leans toward Bernie Sanders, but so do I! I subscribed to TruthOut before myself so don't consider myself extremely uninformed.

directing me to the show. Did I miss something? Is Will Pitt's reply sarcasm? I just replied quickly because I wanted to give my view. Am I cynical these days? Yeah, a whole bunch and I wonder about many things with OUR Democrats these days. Doesn't make me a turncoat IMO, but many here definitely think so.

The Democratic Party I joined doesn't look like the same these days. I UNDERSTAND having to compromise and that MY point of view is mine alone and others disagree. You can't always get what you want but I don't just go along to get along.

Given that I live in Florida may have made me overly suspicious about many issues, still I'm old enough to remember when we used to have more investigative reporting. And yes, I think much more like Sanders & Warren and I'm very confused AND unhappy about what's going on with TPP and why Obama doesn't seem to understand why so many of us are speaking out. I don't like the way he's gone after Warren nor do I like his apparent Hillary push. Yes, it does seem she will be the nominee and maybe I've missed how past Presidents reacted to his successor. I just don't recall this obvious support this far in advance. I do admit I could be wrong.

Could go on, but pretty much said what I wanted to say.

what's been going on here. One of the main reasons I decided to give my view. Since William didn't respond I figured I may have misunderstood his comment.

I said Jeffrey Stanley, it's Sterling.

If you read to the end, for example:

"Multiple U.S. officials, however, denied or cast doubt on the assertion that the U.S. told the Pakistanis about the bin Laden raid ahead of time."

Just a crank who thinks Opus Dei runs SOCOM.

It's very plausible (and has been speculated from the beginning) that people within Pakistani intelligence may have known about Bin Laden's location. It's also plausible that this is one source the US used to locate Bin Laden. The import of Hersh's story, though, is that it suggests (1) that the Pakistanis were holding Bin Laden in detention in Abbottabad, essentially as a hostage and that (2) the Obama Administration made a deal with the Pakistanis to kill him in an operation coordinated with the Pakistani government. Neither of these claims have been substantiated. And neither are especially plausible.

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6658067

The only reason to care about this story is if you're against the President. I honestly don't care if the administration lies to us about stuff to keep people who've helped us alive. It simply doesn't fucking affect me.

Our gubmint lying to us ? Un "F" ing believable ! Is change you can believe in true ?

Osama bin Laden's killing was plain and simple about revenge for 2001. Osama bin Laden’s killing was about Barack Obama’s re-election campaign. One thing the killing was NOT about was blowing a hole in an intricate Al Qaeda web with bin Laden as the mastermind spider at its centre.

Osama bin Laden's killing was plain and simple about revenge for 2001. Osama bin Laden’s killing was about Barack Obama’s re-election campaign. One thing the killing was NOT about was blowing a hole in an intricate Al Qaeda web with bin Laden as the mastermind spider at its centre.

he was near a military base.

I thought the whole point of why the operation was this hush-hush covert ops thing with stealth helos and everything was that they were trying to keep the Pakistanis at arms length and in the dark in case elements of the ISI were in cahoots with Bin Laden.

I'm sorry, but just because a fact is consistent with someone's story, shouldn't lend credence to that story if it's also consistent with all the other stories...

Pretty much too late as we sit on the edge of the Great Middle East war.

Doesn't much matter how we got Bin Laden or where we found him, etc etc.

This just confirms what I already strongly suspected. The Pakistani ISI organized, trained, and branded the loose factions of Muhajideen fighters and branded them the Taliban. They help out with Saudi Arabia all-time-time rare they are neutral but they often the send up of mercenaries in Bahrain for the Shia crackdown. The arranged a deal to deliver them a nuke on demand when they ask for it. They knew, no one gets & lives in that compoud I don't care how secret it is. ISI knew.